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 Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 1:27 pm
kp is dcvi Tiger of the Fire kp is dcvi Tiger of the Fire And half my friends list wonder why I don't debate on gaia much any more. Kind of hard to debate with a bunch of 14 year old jail bait prissies who refuse to pull the c**k out of their mouth before saying something stupid to make it a little less embarrassing for all of us. No, I'm not referring to just the choicers in the ED. I'm referring to 99% of the ED...the other 1% seems to congregate in their specific guilds after spending five minutes in there and seeing exactly what I just described You're spelling is getting spot on. I just noticed. eek Sorry, carry on! ...you p***y...you're actually using a language filter? domokun But I like to protect my eyes! *cries in corner*
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 1:09 pm
I love how quickly we go from serious topics to very non-serious posts. heart
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 3:53 pm
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 9:07 pm
McPhee Now, there's something that's been bugging me, so I figured I'd rant about it here, since that's what I do.
See, there's been a trend in films lately about unexpected pregnancies. That includes films like the current Oscar contender "Juno", the comedy "Knocked up", and other films; Not excluding the current pregnancy of Jamie-lynn Spears (as this relates to pregnancies and the media). and carrying them to term, that this is immediately said (by some on the pro-choice side) to have a possible effect on the minds of young people, and therefore promoting unexpected pregnancies through film.
That's just B.S. Like, seriously guys. If it was ABORTION that was being "promoted" through film, the pro-life extremists would be up in arms about it, and pro-choice people would be telling them to shut the hell up.
As for films, in general, if you take a film (just any innocuous film) that is about individuals making decisions, and you apply it to real life, it usually doesn't work. Like, with "Juno". That is a film about an individual girl, who goes through with a pregnancy because she feels like abortion isn't for her, and that she might as well adopt the baby to someone. This is NOT going to make scads of girls go out, have unprotected sex, and have babies, while simultaneously speaking glibly like lines from an indie-comic script.
When people begin to blame the movies for everything, I get pissed off.
http://www.brightlightsfilm.com/29/abortion1.html
As for this article, they're being pretty ridiculous in their justifications for their criticisms of the films they discuss. Like, with "If these walls could talk". In that film, two women in two separate stories have an abortion. It just so happens that, in the middle story with Sissy Spacek, she chooses to have the child, despite some things that are working against her, making a statement about the "choice" factor in pro-choice. Even though I felt that that film was too biased, I like that in ONE story, the mother at least decided to keep her child. But of course, this one choicer has a problem with any woman carrying to term, or for that matter, any woman deciding (despite obstacles) that yeah, she'll carry to term because she WANTS to.
Or, for that matter, "Father of the Bride Part 2". Like, the POINT of the film is how the Steve Martin character learns to be a father, at that point in his life, all over again. It's not about the fact that the pregnancy isn't logical at that point in their life (they discuss all the reasons why they shouldn't have it), it's about learning to love someone new, because they're your kid, and that's the connection that parents and children have. It's ABOUT the love between parent and child and how it can exist at any age. Isn't that a nice idea?
Where's the choice in Pro-choice when you have to CRITICIZE depictions of people WANTING to have children?
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Responses?
actually, I dislike these movies because they make pregnancy seem horrible, like a life-ender. With jamie spears, it's all "she was supposed to be the good child!" - but good child seems to imply that, in order to be a decent human being, you must abide by the rules that unplanned pregnancies are to be "taken care of"... maybe I read too much into that, and it is likely that unplanned pregnancies shouldn't happen, but the articles are sprinkled with notes of that idea off societal perfection at the cost of whatever the cost needs to be. This seems clear to me when- teen pregnancy = shock and horror, while early twenties pregnancies = perfection and bliss, not three pages later. Back to the movies- I am disgusted by the stares the pregnant women get, and by how for famous people it is "bad publicity"... Oh my god, a new life being made? How awful. Dreadful. Ghastly. Making it dead and just getting on with your life is so much more refined.
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 4:17 am
I'm writing this while reading. I love tabs!
I agree with you. It's really...well. I disagree with a lot of things. Their statistics are a little misleading, too, I'd like sources on those.
She'll find single parenthood a cinch? See, I don't see that so much. I see people being happy single parents, but rarely have I seen single parenthood portrayed as being a cinch. There is always some element of struggle in there, where you can tell that it's hard but this person is working through it, but maybe I just haven't seen enough movies.
You should act oblivious to other options even if your partner is unhappy about the conception? The hell? I thought it was supposed to be HER choice. My mistake...
You might complain about your pregnancy but that won't mean proposing abortion? Wow, what a concept. I've never heard ANY pregnant women who decided to stay pregnant complain about her pregnancy, ever, because once you decide to keep your baby, your pregnancy symptoms magically disappear and everything is fun and happy. Please.
Bleck. Nevermind. I'm just sick of the whole thing. The entire article ignores that being pro-choice doesn't mean pro-abortion-when-unplanned-pregnancy-strikes. It ignores that biologically, both women and men grow to be bonded in some way to a fetus after a certain point. Not all of them, and it happens more with women, but many of them, due to how we are. Some animals are able to take care of themselves at "birth" but not humans, and as such, there is a biological factor that comes into play with parenting. Look at the animal kingdom, it can teach you much about parenting and the practical reasons of why we bond to our offspring, and in some cases, our mates.
Is it real? Is this some parody or satire? I know it's real because of who the author is, but seriously, it's...well, I hope no one reads too far into it.
It reminds me of the people who think everyone who picks up a violent video game will go out and be a serial killer, or kids who have sex ed will be encouraged to have sex.
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 11:04 am
lymelady It reminds me of the people who think everyone who picks up a violent video game will go out and be a serial killer, or kids who have sex ed will be encouraged to have sex. Yeah, that is totally what it is, bullshit propaganda, that can't be backed up by any statistically significant facts! Also, if this person has watched that many "anti-Pro-Choice" movies, why aren't they Pro-Life now, by their own logic?
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 5:34 pm
divineseraph Back to the movies- I am disgusted by the stares the pregnant women get, and by how for famous people it is "bad publicity"... Oh my god, a new life being made? How awful. Dreadful. Ghastly. Making it dead and just getting on with your life is so much more refined.
Britney Spears started it, and now seems like everywhere you look, the stars are pregnant/toting infants around/adopting children.
Kids are the new accessory.
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 6:09 am
miyo_esparanza divineseraph Back to the movies- I am disgusted by the stares the pregnant women get, and by how for famous people it is "bad publicity"... Oh my god, a new life being made? How awful. Dreadful. Ghastly. Making it dead and just getting on with your life is so much more refined.
Britney Spears started it, and now seems like everywhere you look, the stars are pregnant/toting infants around/adopting children.
Kids are the new accessory.
However what kind of freaks me out a little is that regular clothes are now made to look like maternity clothes because that style is popular.
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 6:48 pm
Beware the Jabberwock miyo_esparanza divineseraph Back to the movies- I am disgusted by the stares the pregnant women get, and by how for famous people it is "bad publicity"... Oh my god, a new life being made? How awful. Dreadful. Ghastly. Making it dead and just getting on with your life is so much more refined.
Britney Spears started it, and now seems like everywhere you look, the stars are pregnant/toting infants around/adopting children.
Kids are the new accessory.
However what kind of freaks me out a little is that regular clothes are now made to look like maternity clothes because that style is popular.
It's like when they all had those little rat dogs a while ago; seemed every time you turned around, another star had one. Now it's basically the same thing, only with children/pregnancy/babies.
Also, Thyme Maternity roxxorz.
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Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 1:28 pm
miyo_esparanza Beware the Jabberwock miyo_esparanza divineseraph Back to the movies- I am disgusted by the stares the pregnant women get, and by how for famous people it is "bad publicity"... Oh my god, a new life being made? How awful. Dreadful. Ghastly. Making it dead and just getting on with your life is so much more refined.
Britney Spears started it, and now seems like everywhere you look, the stars are pregnant/toting infants around/adopting children.
Kids are the new accessory.
However what kind of freaks me out a little is that regular clothes are now made to look like maternity clothes because that style is popular.
It's like when they all had those little rat dogs a while ago; seemed every time you turned around, another star had one. Now it's basically the same thing, only with children/pregnancy/babies.
Also, Thyme Maternity roxxorz.Yeah, pregnancy is trendy, unless you don't fit the qualifications. Then you're automaticall irresponsible and a bad person as well. I love how even when a star creates a new life, the focus isn't on the new life but on the star. But, It's rare for the focus to be on the new life anyway, it seems.
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Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 6:23 pm
divineseraph Yeah, pregnancy is trendy, unless you don't fit the qualifications. Then you're automaticall irresponsible and a bad person as well. I love how even when a star creates a new life, the focus isn't on the new life but on the star. But, It's rare for the focus to be on the new life anyway, it seems.
I actually had someone tell me that it was 'refreshing' that my husband and I were already married when I was pregnant. I was like, 'Does it really matter? Had we been married or not, we'd have still been the same people together for the same amount of time. You just like it because it's a promise (and very breakable one, in this day and age) that we'll continue to be together to raise our children.'
I agree that the focus, especially with the stars, but also just generally, tends to be on the parents and what kind of qualifications they fit instead of the new life that they've created.
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Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 8:25 am
miyo_esparanza Beware the Jabberwock miyo_esparanza divineseraph Back to the movies- I am disgusted by the stares the pregnant women get, and by how for famous people it is "bad publicity"... Oh my god, a new life being made? How awful. Dreadful. Ghastly. Making it dead and just getting on with your life is so much more refined.
Britney Spears started it, and now seems like everywhere you look, the stars are pregnant/toting infants around/adopting children.
Kids are the new accessory.
However what kind of freaks me out a little is that regular clothes are now made to look like maternity clothes because that style is popular.
It's like when they all had those little rat dogs a while ago; seemed every time you turned around, another star had one. Now it's basically the same thing, only with children/pregnancy/babies.
Also, Thyme Maternity roxxorz.
Thyme is actually an awesome company, my sister works there now that I've moved to St. John's otherwise I'd be working there over the break, like I did last year. The biggest problem people had was the prices of the clothes, but I mean it's really good quality and it's specialty clothing, high prices are kind of to be expected. If you like the styles at Thyme (they're actually changing the name of the company to Thyme. It's not going to be called 'Thyme Maternity' anymore.) than Reitmans and Smart Set sells almost identical clothing, because they're the same company. Do you own any of the nursing tops?
Back, kind of on topic, I think part of the reason people comment on having kids after marriage is because when you're married it's the symbol of dedicating your life to someone. You can be dating someone for years and years, but when you marry them you're promising them you're life. It's a broken promise 50% of the time, but it's that idea. As my grandmother would put it "If you don't think someone is good enough to spend the rest of your life with, what makes them good enough for you to raise a child with them?"
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