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 Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:01 am
I personally think a "guy pill" would be a great thing to have around.
And just because it's available doesn't mean that women have to stop taking their birth control.
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Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 1:24 pm
MipsyKitten Quote: "Woman #1: 'My [husband, boyfriend, significant other] is selfish. He's on the pill and won’t get off. I’ve asked him to stop taking it but he always says he’s not ready. He just won’t grow up. I don’t know what to do.' "Woman #2: 'That’s what the pill has given men—a right to be perpetual adolescents. It’s given them veto power over women who want to have children'... These situations are insulting to women, and men. If a man not going off of his birth control is 'selfish', what does that make the woman? I'm tired of people being called 'selfish' for not wanting to reproduce, regardless of sex. It is easier for a women to find a way to get pregnant, than it is for a man to find a woman to impregnate. I just want to add that what bothers me about those women saything that is that it implies that men who don't want children are immature or perpetual adolescents. Which is very much a anti-choice attitude anyway. It's like you can't be a man if you don't want to spawn a hundred million children. I think it's great that if the guy doesn't want to be a father he has the option now with this pill. But I still think that the best way is to talk it over with your partner. You need to be clear on the whole children when, where, how things. But I do got to wonder how many men will willingly take this. I've talked to my male friends and most have been like "Omg, no way, that'll mess up my body chem!" but isn't that what the female pill does? Millions of women risk it so why wouldn't men, if they were determined enough not to be fathers.
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Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:03 pm
I'd support the male birth control, it gives more options for contraceptives to men and couples with having kids, whether they're going to have them later or at all.
I don't want to have kids. I found myself too immature and potentially irresponsible to handle that kind of care and responsibility. Having more control to keep it that way, including the condom, is an awesome choice and one that should be available to all men wanting this choice for control.Streex That's good you would trust your boyfriend with it. However, I can see where the guy could be selfish about not getting off of the pill. Especially in cases where a female has to have children before a certain age or if they have agreed to have kids by a certain age. Then again, it is her fault for having trust in him that valuably to have it thrown into her face that he's gonna postpone kids. If he's the one who has broken the agreement about when to have kids that the couple has discussed, then he is the selfish one. If she is the one pushing him about children when they haven't agreed for a time to have kids, then she is being selfish. It is not discussed in those quote scenarios if there was previous talking about having children at all. Perhaps the writer intends to make women feel like bitches for wanting kids in the first place or the writer has simply forgot information that would be relevent. However, it is selfishness upon the male's part if they have already discussed that they will have children by a certain point and then he refuses to go off of the pill. And it is selfishness if they have agreed to kids and keeps on taking the pill without her knowing.
Seriously. What does "selfishness" have to do with this?
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Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 4:43 pm
At first I thought "hm, well some men want to have kids and their wives won't stop taking the Pill"
But then I realized that the right to impregnate your partner when you want to have kids is not the same as the right to get pregnant when you want to have kids.
I do think this Pill could be abused in many circumstances, but then again abortion can be abused too can't it? Just because something can be abused doesn't mean it shouldn't be avaliable, especially if it results in more control over reproductive freedom.
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Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 5:42 pm
Streex That's good you would trust your boyfriend with it. However, I can see where the guy could be selfish about not getting off of the pill. Especially in cases where a female has to have children before a certain age or if they have agreed to have kids by a certain age. Then again, it is her fault for having trust in him that valuably to have it thrown into her face that he's gonna postpone kids. If he's the one who has broken the agreement about when to have kids that the couple has discussed, then he is the selfish one. If she is the one pushing him about children when they haven't agreed for a time to have kids, then she is being selfish. It is not discussed in those quote scenarios if there was previous talking about having children at all. Perhaps the writer intends to make women feel like bitches for wanting kids in the first place or the writer has simply forgot information that would be relevent. However, it is selfishness upon the male's part if they have already discussed that they will have children by a certain point and then he refuses to go off of the pill. And it is selfishness if they have agreed to kids and keeps on taking the pill without her knowing. That's not called 'being selfish'. It's called changing your mind, which every person has every right to do. What's selfish is expecting one partner to bend to the other's way of thinking, and calling them 'selfish', knowing damn well they don't want to be a parent. If a man wants to go on the pill, it's HIS business. It's his decision, and if his partner has a problem with it, then that's tough. I won't sit here and say it's OK for a woman to have control of her body, then turn around and say a man has to cast aside his feelings for his partner's 'needs'. That's hypocritical. No one needs to have children. It's not a biological need. You don't need to have x amount of kids before you're 40. Nothing bad will happen to you if you don't reproduce. It's not the government's job to restrict access to a male contraceptive pill, because some couples will fight over when they have kids.
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Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 5:54 pm
These ideas rather floor me. Male birth control pills would be bad because they would prevent women from tricking/forcing men into having children the men didn't want? Men are selfish for making the reproductive decision to not have children? What the hell? If women took birth control pills and men complained about not being able to force women into pregnancy and women being so selfish as to decide not to have children, people would be outraged. The only possible way I could see male birth control pills as bad is if the man took them while lying to the woman because she wanted to get pregnant and he didn't. Lying to your partner is not cool. But that is no reason to reject male birth control pills; it's a reason to condemn lying.
If a woman wants to have a child but the man doesn't, she is completely free to find a different man. Her reproductive choices are certainly less limited than his are. After all, if a woman wants to have a baby but can't find a guy who is willing, all she has to do is go out and buy some sperm. It is significantly more difficult for men.
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 7:42 pm
ShadowIce The only possible way I could see male birth control pills as bad is if the man took them while lying to the woman because she wanted to get pregnant and he didn't. Or if he lied and said he was on the pill when he wasn't, just so he wouldn't have to wear a condom, or if he wanted to get her pregnant and she didn't want him to.
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 8:22 pm
LadyInWhite MipsyKitten Quote: "Woman #1: 'My [husband, boyfriend, significant other] is selfish. He's on the pill and won’t get off. I’ve asked him to stop taking it but he always says he’s not ready. He just won’t grow up. I don’t know what to do.' "Woman #2: 'That’s what the pill has given men—a right to be perpetual adolescents. It’s given them veto power over women who want to have children'... These situations are insulting to women, and men. If a man not going off of his birth control is 'selfish', what does that make the woman? I'm tired of people being called 'selfish' for not wanting to reproduce, regardless of sex. It is easier for a women to find a way to get pregnant, than it is for a man to find a woman to impregnate. I just want to add that what bothers me about those women saything that is that it implies that men who don't want children are immature or perpetual adolescents. Which is very much a anti-choice attitude anyway. It's like you can't be a man if you don't want to spawn a hundred million children. I think it's great that if the guy doesn't want to be a father he has the option now with this pill. But I still think that the best way is to talk it over with your partner. You need to be clear on the whole children when, where, how things. But I do got to wonder how many men will willingly take this. I've talked to my male friends and most have been like "Omg, no way, that'll mess up my body chem!" but isn't that what the female pill does? Millions of women risk it so why wouldn't men, if they were determined enough not to be fathers. So I'm immature for not being able to stand kids? I seriously can't stand them. Every weekend I hear my cousins cry and pound around upstairs. I wouldn't be able to deal with that - I'd want them to shut up and quit running around and making noise. I also don't want to be in the middle of, say, doing my taxes, get up for a quick break to watch some TV or play a game for a bit or even just grab a snack, and come back to see the papers messed up/eaten/drooled on/ripped/etc. I'm so immature for not wanting to mess up my taxes >_>
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Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 3:09 am
Lord Setar LadyInWhite MipsyKitten Quote: "Woman #1: 'My [husband, boyfriend, significant other] is selfish. He's on the pill and won’t get off. I’ve asked him to stop taking it but he always says he’s not ready. He just won’t grow up. I don’t know what to do.' "Woman #2: 'That’s what the pill has given men—a right to be perpetual adolescents. It’s given them veto power over women who want to have children'... These situations are insulting to women, and men. If a man not going off of his birth control is 'selfish', what does that make the woman? I'm tired of people being called 'selfish' for not wanting to reproduce, regardless of sex. It is easier for a women to find a way to get pregnant, than it is for a man to find a woman to impregnate. I just want to add that what bothers me about those women saything that is that it implies that men who don't want children are immature or perpetual adolescents. Which is very much a anti-choice attitude anyway. It's like you can't be a man if you don't want to spawn a hundred million children. I think it's great that if the guy doesn't want to be a father he has the option now with this pill. But I still think that the best way is to talk it over with your partner. You need to be clear on the whole children when, where, how things. But I do got to wonder how many men will willingly take this. I've talked to my male friends and most have been like "Omg, no way, that'll mess up my body chem!" but isn't that what the female pill does? Millions of women risk it so why wouldn't men, if they were determined enough not to be fathers. So I'm immature for not being able to stand kids? I seriously can't stand them. Every weekend I hear my cousins cry and pound around upstairs. I wouldn't be able to deal with that - I'd want them to shut up and quit running around and making noise. I also don't want to be in the middle of, say, doing my taxes, get up for a quick break to watch some TV or play a game for a bit or even just grab a snack, and come back to see the papers messed up/eaten/drooled on/ripped/etc. I'm so immature for not wanting to mess up my taxes >_> LoL. Poor Setar. I feel the same way about kids. I keep thinking that if and when I have kids mine will never be allowed to misbehave. I think people don't dicipline their kids nearly often enough nowadays. I mean I don't advocate being the living daylights out of your children but they still need a good smack now and again. Pain is how people learn. I find it immature that the women in this article think so lowly of men who don't want to reproduce. Damn society and it's disgusting attitude!
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Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 12:23 pm
MipsyKitten Streex That's good you would trust your boyfriend with it. However, I can see where the guy could be selfish about not getting off of the pill. Especially in cases where a female has to have children before a certain age or if they have agreed to have kids by a certain age. Then again, it is her fault for having trust in him that valuably to have it thrown into her face that he's gonna postpone kids. If he's the one who has broken the agreement about when to have kids that the couple has discussed, then he is the selfish one. If she is the one pushing him about children when they haven't agreed for a time to have kids, then she is being selfish. It is not discussed in those quote scenarios if there was previous talking about having children at all. Perhaps the writer intends to make women feel like bitches for wanting kids in the first place or the writer has simply forgot information that would be relevent. However, it is selfishness upon the male's part if they have already discussed that they will have children by a certain point and then he refuses to go off of the pill. And it is selfishness if they have agreed to kids and keeps on taking the pill without her knowing. That's not called 'being selfish'. It's called changing your mind, which every person has every right to do. What's selfish is expecting one partner to bend to the other's way of thinking, and calling them 'selfish', knowing damn well they don't want to be a parent. If a man wants to go on the pill, it's HIS business. It's his decision, and if his partner has a problem with it, then that's tough. I won't sit here and say it's OK for a woman to have control of her body, then turn around and say a man has to cast aside his feelings for his partner's 'needs'. That's hypocritical. No one needs to have children. It's not a biological need. You don't need to have x amount of kids before you're 40. Nothing bad will happen to you if you don't reproduce. It's not the government's job to restrict access to a male contraceptive pill, because some couples will fight over when they have kids. She does have the right to know that he does not want have children, and he should tell her if he changes his mind. And if she doesn't agree with him about children or vice versa, they can divorce. For some people having/not having kids can be a deal breaker in a relationship. Then again, I would like to state that is how I feel and I would not enforce it on anyone else. There are some people who have complications if they don't have children by a certain age. That's if they want them in the first place. The increase of genetic problems and even maternal death increase with age. People who have children in their late thirties and into their forties are more likely to have mentally handicapped children and not survive the pregnancy.
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Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 12:29 pm
Well, at least now both genders can choose if they want children or not. Men deserve choices just as much as women, and because a child should be a choice that both people want, then they should both have a say in it.
After all, I think I'd rather a world where children are completely wanted and cherished by two parents then a world like the one we have now.
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Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 4:52 pm
I still want to know, why is selfishness an issue with this topic?
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Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 9:30 pm
I'm on the pill, if he can get on the pill than that's double protection! Double protection means double the fun!! (and less worry about having to make that big choice) I say GREAT!! The fears I would have of a man taking the pill to not have babies and being with a woman who does want to have them is the same of a woman being on it and taking it to not have a baby, so as long as you trust your partner, Great!
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 7:29 am
I think that it's great.
Of course it can be abused, but female birth control can be too, so... oh well, I guess. If a couple trusts each other (and that's a pretty key aspect to any relationship) it should be a great thing. Many women don't have the best reaction to hormonal birth control, so it could take the burden off of them while providing the same level of protection.
Because it's 'selfish' is a stupid reason to be against it. I don't understand how male birth control can be selfish while female birth control is great. I think that every person has the right to their own body, regardless of their gender, and when someone else tries to revoke that right, we have a serious problem. 'Selfishness' is a common argument against abortion too confused
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 8:29 am
That's really exciting! My fiance will be very happy to know condoms aren't his only option anymore.
As others said, it can be abused, but of course so can the female pill. I could easily stop taking it and say I'm still on it, or say I'm off it and still be on it...but I'm not a b***h.
Can't wait for Planned Parenthood to get some when it's released. We'll be all over that.
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