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Except they kinda don't. I know that at some abortion centers, they'll take any pro-life literature out of the woman's hand when she walks in the door. I know the doctors sometimes say that, 'abortion is the only option,' and I've never heard of abortions centers waiting at all. All I've heard of is teenagers coming in, maybe having to wait a day because the procedure takes that long, and coming out.

Sources? This doesn't seem like more than propaganda...

Not to mention the fact that an abortion doesn't take longer than maybe ten minutes.

The counseling may take a bit longer, however.

And also, I've found that it is much more common for U.S. clinics to bombard women with guilt trips, than for them to act like abortion is the only option.

There is an abortion clinic in my state, the only one I know of, and its website assures that the clinic provides counseling and dicussion of alternatives. http://www.wa-wc.com/services.htm

But that's just what I've heard. Of course, since you, Diadema, are a pro-lifer, you have heard differently. Propoganda, most of it--on both sides.

No, as you see: 'gook' isn't anything yet. We are fully developed and are also not normally 'glob', since we are not wet in that sence.

And I said it was a glob of cells, not really forming anything solid, or set, yet.

I was refering to the potential child; give or take an incubation of 7 or more months.

Of course they take it out! It's goes to say that abortion is murder, and she just walked into that place! It'd be like, I dunno, going into a jewish temple with a christan bible and start reading it in the waiting room. stressed

And they probably have an apointment. Ever think of that?

I'm afraid this is where you haven't researched enough. It is a proven, scientific fact that a fetus is a living human being, not a glob of gook.

Chicken eggs are different. Most have not been fertilized and so are not live chicks. That is why they do not apply to this case and are not substantial evidence for your argument.

LOL, you have to excuse me, the whole "glob of gook" name is funny. Also, Ms. Pandali's post here was funny. xd (I guess it's the whole seriousness applied to a silly-willy name)... um... no offense. *off topic*

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Back on topic!

Okey Dokey, I don't think any pro-choicer is saying that it ISN'T human. Yes, it CERTAINLY has human DNA. Yes, it certainly isn't a monkey, or an elephant growing in there. I think what is being contested is personhood. Yes, that definition is a bit subjective, isn't it? But, you see, some elements of personhood involve consciousness, sentience, the ability to feel, etc. There is a big difference between "something" containing human dna, and that same "something" actually containing self-awareness. Hold your horses, I'll explain more in a little bit.

I think MistressDragonflame's emphasis on the word "glob of gook" described her conclusions about a first-trimester embryo/fetus (of which 91% of abortions are performed at that stage). It doesn't think. It doesn't feel. While I may be underemphasizing some parts of development in my conclusion- it's little more than a mass collection of cells. I find it ridiculous that that tiny little mass of cells is supposedly of more worth than... me. Furthermore, I find it absolutely bat-s**t insane that some people think that one cell made from a conception is supposedly worth more than me. Me, a multi-celled, eukaryotic, sentient organism that has experienced consciousness for over 2 decades.

...Because all in all, whether we like to think about it or not, a decision for the fetus, or for the woman is made. You can value both forms of life if you so desire, but both forms of life arn't going to get the equal treatment, or equal rights here.