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 Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 9:55 pm
dragongirl42391 lordstar promised_child dragongirl42391 promised_child dragongirl42391 quote] I believe our Comp. Religion professors would disagree with your freelo...professors wait a second bible training center...for while there I thought you were referring to an institution of higher learning. Just think what would happen if someone like me was ever elected into public office abstinence only funding: aborted! higher accreditation standards...I don't think faith based schools would pass elimination of the death penalty forcing necessities into non-profit status with strict regulations hell I’m just getting started What the... how did we go from interpreting the bible to lordstar ruling the world? And what do you have against abstinence and faith based schools? No offense lordstar, being seeing as you don't know much at all about this Bible training center, I don't think you should judge it and put it down. Kinda harsh. Don't snub it just cause it isn't what you think is up to snuff, or whatever your standards are. thank you
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 9:58 am
promised_child lordstar promised_child dragongirl42391 promised_child there is love then there is LOVE-AGAPE. john is talking about AGAPE- Gods love, un-conditional, no matter what love no beginning no end.its the love that led Jesus to the cross, willing to die for our sins. this kind of love is hard for humans to grasp. it means litterally turning the other cheek when slapped. it means smiling at your enimy, and not thinking (i wish i had a dagger, id gut you like a fish) johns books are all about Gods love, and how we can love like that. every human loves, but AGAPE is different, its not a human love. lordstar, it is always a segment of ask the Jew. YSHW came for you first then for us, you and your people were the first on his mind when he dies, and the first on his mind when he rose, as evidenced by the fact that it was jews, not greeks or romans, who first saw the Messiah after he was ressurected. He is a Jew, from the line of David (through Mary) Cool, thank you so much for the insight, I assume AGAPE is a Hebrew word from the original text? greek, the new testament was written in greek, as (thanks to alexander the great of macidonia) it was the worlds universal language. EVERYBODY spoke greek lordstar: Quote: 1A record of the genealogy of Jesus Christ the son of David, the son of Abraham: 2Abraham was the father of Isaac, Isaac the father of Jacob, Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers, 3Judah the father of Perez and Zerah, whose mother was Tamar, Perez the father of Hezron, Hezron the father of Ram, 4Ram the father of Amminadab, Amminadab the father of Nahshon, Nahshon the father of Salmon, 5Salmon the father of Boaz, whose mother was Rahab, Boaz the father of Obed, whose mother was Ruth, Obed the father of Jesse, 6and Jesse the father of King David. David was the father of Solomon, whose mother had been Uriah's wife, 7Solomon the father of Rehoboam, Rehoboam the father of Abijah, Abijah the father of Asa, 8Asa the father of Jehoshaphat, Jehoshaphat the father of Jehoram, Jehoram the father of Uzziah, 9Uzziah the father of Jotham, Jotham the father of Ahaz, Ahaz the father of Hezekiah, 10Hezekiah the father of Manasseh, Manasseh the father of Amon, Amon the father of Josiah, 11and Josiah the father of Jeconiah[a] and his brothers at the time of the exile to Babylon. 12After the exile to Babylon: Jeconiah was the father of Shealtiel, Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel, 13Zerubbabel the father of Abiud, Abiud the father of Eliakim, Eliakim the father of Azor, 14Azor the father of Zadok, Zadok the father of Akim, Akim the father of Eliud, 15Eliud the father of Eleazar, Eleazar the father of Matthan, Matthan the father of Jacob, 16and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ. it is also known that mary and joseph were cousins- like 5th or 6th cousins. since messiah had to be born of the line of David and to a virgin- it makes sence that she was also of that regal line, at least according to both my NEW TESTAMENT SURVEY prof. and my HISTORY OF THE BIBLE prof.- RHEMA BIBLE TRAINING CENTER, BA OK USA I believe our Comp. Religion professors would disagree with your freelo...professors wait a second bible training center...for while there I thought you were referring to an institution of higher learning. Just think what would happen if someone like me was ever elected into public office abstinence only funding: aborted! higher accreditation standards...I don't think faith based schools would pass elimination of the death penalty forcing necessities into non-profit status with strict regulations hell I’m just getting started now you are just being a jerk, it is possible to debate without being a compleat mule about it. i dont give a damn what your proffessors, who havent really studdied the history of christianity have to say about what a man, who has studdied just that for 60 years has to say. Ok so my professors had to successfully defend their work Did your professors successfully defend their work and obtain at the very least a masters degree? One of the professors I referred to teaches history of Christianity (they don't call it that but that’s what it is) at the local Christian high school. he did his masters work specifically on Christianity. I would trust someone with a high level degree because you can't just make stuff up and still pass. 60 years of study doesn't mean much if your only looking at the same documents over and over. Typically faith based institutions have a very narrow curriculum that is by no stretch marginally outdated. They would fail accreditation if not for the pressures from the respective communities and the fear of loosing more students to a system that is already failing to provide even the basic services to their students. I was just pointing out that I'm a radical of sorts and perhaps some people wouldn't be very happy with my policies.
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 5:55 pm
lordstar promised_child lordstar promised_child dragongirl42391 Cool, thank you so much for the insight, I assume AGAPE is a Hebrew word from the original text? greek, the new testament was written in greek, as (thanks to alexander the great of macidonia) it was the worlds universal language. EVERYBODY spoke greek lordstar: Quote: 1A record of the genealogy of Jesus Christ the son of David, the son of Abraham: 2Abraham was the father of Isaac, Isaac the father of Jacob, Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers, 3Judah the father of Perez and Zerah, whose mother was Tamar, Perez the father of Hezron, Hezron the father of Ram, 4Ram the father of Amminadab, Amminadab the father of Nahshon, Nahshon the father of Salmon, 5Salmon the father of Boaz, whose mother was Rahab, Boaz the father of Obed, whose mother was Ruth, Obed the father of Jesse, 6and Jesse the father of King David. David was the father of Solomon, whose mother had been Uriah's wife, 7Solomon the father of Rehoboam, Rehoboam the father of Abijah, Abijah the father of Asa, 8Asa the father of Jehoshaphat, Jehoshaphat the father of Jehoram, Jehoram the father of Uzziah, 9Uzziah the father of Jotham, Jotham the father of Ahaz, Ahaz the father of Hezekiah, 10Hezekiah the father of Manasseh, Manasseh the father of Amon, Amon the father of Josiah, 11and Josiah the father of Jeconiah[a] and his brothers at the time of the exile to Babylon. 12After the exile to Babylon: Jeconiah was the father of Shealtiel, Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel, 13Zerubbabel the father of Abiud, Abiud the father of Eliakim, Eliakim the father of Azor, 14Azor the father of Zadok, Zadok the father of Akim, Akim the father of Eliud, 15Eliud the father of Eleazar, Eleazar the father of Matthan, Matthan the father of Jacob, 16and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ. it is also known that mary and joseph were cousins- like 5th or 6th cousins. since messiah had to be born of the line of David and to a virgin- it makes sence that she was also of that regal line, at least according to both my NEW TESTAMENT SURVEY prof. and my HISTORY OF THE BIBLE prof.- RHEMA BIBLE TRAINING CENTER, BA OK USA I believe our Comp. Religion professors would disagree with your freelo...professors wait a second bible training center...for while there I thought you were referring to an institution of higher learning. Just think what would happen if someone like me was ever elected into public office abstinence only funding: aborted! higher accreditation standards...I don't think faith based schools would pass elimination of the death penalty forcing necessities into non-profit status with strict regulations hell I’m just getting started now you are just being a jerk, it is possible to debate without being a compleat mule about it. i dont give a damn what your proffessors, who havent really studdied the history of christianity have to say about what a man, who has studdied just that for 60 years has to say. Ok so my professors had to successfully defend their work Did your professors successfully defend their work and obtain at the very least a masters degree? One of the professors I referred to teaches history of Christianity (they don't call it that but that’s what it is) at the local Christian high school. he did his masters work specifically on Christianity. I would trust someone with a high level degree because you can't just make stuff up and still pass. 60 years of study doesn't mean much if your only looking at the same documents over and over. Typically faith based institutions have a very narrow curriculum that is by no stretch marginally outdated. They would fail accreditation if not for the pressures from the respective communities and the fear of loosing more students to a system that is already failing to provide even the basic services to their students. I was just pointing out that I'm a radical of sorts and perhaps some people wouldn't be very happy with my policies. Seriously, what's wrong with abstinence?
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 7:18 pm
lordstar promised_child lordstar promised_child dragongirl42391 Cool, thank you so much for the insight, I assume AGAPE is a Hebrew word from the original text? greek, the new testament was written in greek, as (thanks to alexander the great of macidonia) it was the worlds universal language. EVERYBODY spoke greek lordstar: Quote: 1A record of the genealogy of Jesus Christ the son of David, the son of Abraham: 2Abraham was the father of Isaac, Isaac the father of Jacob, Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers, 3Judah the father of Perez and Zerah, whose mother was Tamar, Perez the father of Hezron, Hezron the father of Ram, 4Ram the father of Amminadab, Amminadab the father of Nahshon, Nahshon the father of Salmon, 5Salmon the father of Boaz, whose mother was Rahab, Boaz the father of Obed, whose mother was Ruth, Obed the father of Jesse, 6and Jesse the father of King David. David was the father of Solomon, whose mother had been Uriah's wife, 7Solomon the father of Rehoboam, Rehoboam the father of Abijah, Abijah the father of Asa, 8Asa the father of Jehoshaphat, Jehoshaphat the father of Jehoram, Jehoram the father of Uzziah, 9Uzziah the father of Jotham, Jotham the father of Ahaz, Ahaz the father of Hezekiah, 10Hezekiah the father of Manasseh, Manasseh the father of Amon, Amon the father of Josiah, 11and Josiah the father of Jeconiah[a] and his brothers at the time of the exile to Babylon. 12After the exile to Babylon: Jeconiah was the father of Shealtiel, Shealtiel the father of Zerubbabel, 13Zerubbabel the father of Abiud, Abiud the father of Eliakim, Eliakim the father of Azor, 14Azor the father of Zadok, Zadok the father of Akim, Akim the father of Eliud, 15Eliud the father of Eleazar, Eleazar the father of Matthan, Matthan the father of Jacob, 16and Jacob the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ. it is also known that mary and joseph were cousins- like 5th or 6th cousins. since messiah had to be born of the line of David and to a virgin- it makes sence that she was also of that regal line, at least according to both my NEW TESTAMENT SURVEY prof. and my HISTORY OF THE BIBLE prof.- RHEMA BIBLE TRAINING CENTER, BA OK USA I believe our Comp. Religion professors would disagree with your freelo...professors wait a second bible training center...for while there I thought you were referring to an institution of higher learning. Just think what would happen if someone like me was ever elected into public office abstinence only funding: aborted! higher accreditation standards...I don't think faith based schools would pass elimination of the death penalty forcing necessities into non-profit status with strict regulations hell I’m just getting started now you are just being a jerk, it is possible to debate without being a compleat mule about it. i dont give a damn what your proffessors, who havent really studdied the history of christianity have to say about what a man, who has studdied just that for 60 years has to say. Ok so my professors had to successfully defend their work Did your professors successfully defend their work and obtain at the very least a masters degree? One of the professors I referred to teaches history of Christianity (they don't call it that but that’s what it is) at the local Christian high school. he did his masters work specifically on Christianity. I would trust someone with a high level degree because you can't just make stuff up and still pass. 60 years of study doesn't mean much if your only looking at the same documents over and over. Typically faith based institutions have a very narrow curriculum that is by no stretch marginally outdated. They would fail accreditation if not for the pressures from the respective communities and the fear of loosing more students to a system that is already failing to provide even the basic services to their students. I was just pointing out that I'm a radical of sorts and perhaps some people wouldn't be very happy with my policies. if you are stereotyping RHEMA, maybe you should look it up. and if you wanna hate on Pastor Hagin- who runs the school, get in line, but before you run your mouth, remember in order to be a PROFESSOR in an accredited school you have to have a degree, how have your professors "defend" their work? obvuiously not well if their class titles are a cover for what they are relly teaching.
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 8:33 pm
dragongirl42391 lordstar promised_child lordstar promised_child greek, the new testament was written in greek, as (thanks to alexander the great of macidonia) it was the worlds universal language. EVERYBODY spoke greek lordstar: it is also known that mary and joseph were cousins- like 5th or 6th cousins. since messiah had to be born of the line of David and to a virgin- it makes sence that she was also of that regal line, at least according to both my NEW TESTAMENT SURVEY prof. and my HISTORY OF THE BIBLE prof.- RHEMA BIBLE TRAINING CENTER, BA OK USA I believe our Comp. Religion professors would disagree with your freelo...professors wait a second bible training center...for while there I thought you were referring to an institution of higher learning. Just think what would happen if someone like me was ever elected into public office abstinence only funding: aborted! higher accreditation standards...I don't think faith based schools would pass elimination of the death penalty forcing necessities into non-profit status with strict regulations hell I’m just getting started now you are just being a jerk, it is possible to debate without being a compleat mule about it. i dont give a damn what your proffessors, who havent really studdied the history of christianity have to say about what a man, who has studdied just that for 60 years has to say. Ok so my professors had to successfully defend their work Did your professors successfully defend their work and obtain at the very least a masters degree? One of the professors I referred to teaches history of Christianity (they don't call it that but that’s what it is) at the local Christian high school. he did his masters work specifically on Christianity. I would trust someone with a high level degree because you can't just make stuff up and still pass. 60 years of study doesn't mean much if your only looking at the same documents over and over. Typically faith based institutions have a very narrow curriculum that is by no stretch marginally outdated. They would fail accreditation if not for the pressures from the respective communities and the fear of loosing more students to a system that is already failing to provide even the basic services to their students. I was just pointing out that I'm a radical of sorts and perhaps some people wouldn't be very happy with my policies. Seriously, what's wrong with abstinence? Actually there is nothing wrong with abstinence. But knowlage is power and by only teaching abstinence we do not empower the youth to make their own choice. now on the other side of the coin there is nothing wrong with sex either just need to be smart about it is all
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Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 8:49 pm
promised_child lordstar promised_child lordstar I believe our Comp. Religion professors would disagree with your freelo...professors wait a second bible training center...for while there I thought you were referring to an institution of higher learning. Just think what would happen if someone like me was ever elected into public office abstinence only funding: aborted! higher accreditation standards...I don't think faith based schools would pass elimination of the death penalty forcing necessities into non-profit status with strict regulations hell I’m just getting started now you are just being a jerk, it is possible to debate without being a compleat mule about it. i dont give a damn what your proffessors, who havent really studdied the history of christianity have to say about what a man, who has studdied just that for 60 years has to say. Ok so my professors had to successfully defend their work Did your professors successfully defend their work and obtain at the very least a masters degree? One of the professors I referred to teaches history of Christianity (they don't call it that but that’s what it is) at the local Christian high school. he did his masters work specifically on Christianity. I would trust someone with a high level degree because you can't just make stuff up and still pass. 60 years of study doesn't mean much if your only looking at the same documents over and over. Typically faith based institutions have a very narrow curriculum that is by no stretch marginally outdated. They would fail accreditation if not for the pressures from the respective communities and the fear of loosing more students to a system that is already failing to provide even the basic services to their students. I was just pointing out that I'm a radical of sorts and perhaps some people wouldn't be very happy with my policies. if you are stereotyping RHEMA, maybe you should look it up. and if you wanna hate on Pastor Hagin- who runs the school, get in line, but before you run your mouth, remember in order to be a PROFESSOR in an accredited school you have to have a degree, how have your professors "defend" their work? obvuiously not well if their class titles are a cover for what they are relly teaching. And so I’ll ask the question Is RHEMA accredited? So if you ever decide on what day you try for your degree What happens is you will present your work to a panel of your professors If they can't fault it or you can defend it you pass Otherwise you must try again So tell me What are my professors really teaching? Perhaps they are teaching their students to think, to make up their own minds, to look for more than one source. I was once a good little blind lamb...but those days are over. There are many paths up the mountain but I can't tell you which one leads to the top. I don't know if any of them lead to the top, they might all lead to the top, but still I have made my own choice and I would encourage you to wake up and do the same. Challenge authority! Maybe rocking the boat a bit will do you some good
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 6:17 pm
lordstar promised_child lordstar promised_child lordstar I believe our Comp. Religion professors would disagree with your freelo...professors wait a second bible training center...for while there I thought you were referring to an institution of higher learning. Just think what would happen if someone like me was ever elected into public office abstinence only funding: aborted! higher accreditation standards...I don't think faith based schools would pass elimination of the death penalty forcing necessities into non-profit status with strict regulations hell I’m just getting started now you are just being a jerk, it is possible to debate without being a compleat mule about it. i dont give a damn what your proffessors, who havent really studdied the history of christianity have to say about what a man, who has studdied just that for 60 years has to say. Ok so my professors had to successfully defend their work Did your professors successfully defend their work and obtain at the very least a masters degree? One of the professors I referred to teaches history of Christianity (they don't call it that but that’s what it is) at the local Christian high school. he did his masters work specifically on Christianity. I would trust someone with a high level degree because you can't just make stuff up and still pass. 60 years of study doesn't mean much if your only looking at the same documents over and over. Typically faith based institutions have a very narrow curriculum that is by no stretch marginally outdated. They would fail accreditation if not for the pressures from the respective communities and the fear of loosing more students to a system that is already failing to provide even the basic services to their students. I was just pointing out that I'm a radical of sorts and perhaps some people wouldn't be very happy with my policies. if you are stereotyping RHEMA, maybe you should look it up. and if you wanna hate on Pastor Hagin- who runs the school, get in line, but before you run your mouth, remember in order to be a PROFESSOR in an accredited school you have to have a degree, how have your professors "defend" their work? obvuiously not well if their class titles are a cover for what they are relly teaching. And so I’ll ask the question Is RHEMA accredited? So if you ever decide on what day you try for your degree What happens is you will present your work to a panel of your professors If they can't fault it or you can defend it you pass Otherwise you must try again So tell me What are my professors really teaching? Perhaps they are teaching their students to think, to make up their own minds, to look for more than one source. I was once a good little blind lamb...but those days are over. There are many paths up the mountain but I can't tell you which one leads to the top. I don't know if any of them lead to the top, they might all lead to the top, but still I have made my own choice and I would encourage you to wake up and do the same. Challenge authority! Maybe rocking the boat a bit will do you some good yes rhema is accredited and you can get a degree, its a two year school, so you get transferable assosiates in christian sciences. yes the professors teach us to think, i am by no means a blind sheep. sheep are stupid and will follow anybody. i am a blood-bought child of the Living God. do not judge me by your perception of christianity, you do not know my whole story, nor obviously the whole truth about christans. I live for challanging authority. remember you dont know me or where ive been or what ive been through, the only authority i dont challange is Gods authority, because that to me would be like biting the hand that feeds you. i dont know if you have ever truly known God, or if you are simply going by religion to make your assumptions.
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Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 7:16 pm
lordstar dragongirl42391 lordstar promised_child lordstar promised_child Seriously, what's wrong with abstinence? Actually there is nothing wrong with abstinence. But knowlage is power and by only teaching abstinence we do not empower the youth to make their own choice. now on the other side of the coin there is nothing wrong with sex either just need to be smart about it is all And saying that youth are informed with only the choice of abstinence is totally....I mean come on. Look at anything on tv, watch MTV for one day, and you'll know that young people are definitly being more informed about the other choice than they are about abstinence. Despite what they're being taught in school, "sex when I feel like it, as long as I'm smart" is the predominant view and abstinence is the minority. Aren't you Jewish? Don't Jews follow God's law about sexual immorality? I guess I don't really know you, but this makes you sound like you think that your law is so much better than God's law.
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 8:16 am
promised_child lordstar promised_child lordstar promised_child lordstar I believe our Comp. Religion professors would disagree with your freelo...professors wait a second bible training center...for while there I thought you were referring to an institution of higher learning. Just think what would happen if someone like me was ever elected into public office abstinence only funding: aborted! higher accreditation standards...I don't think faith based schools would pass elimination of the death penalty forcing necessities into non-profit status with strict regulations hell I’m just getting started now you are just being a jerk, it is possible to debate without being a compleat mule about it. i dont give a damn what your proffessors, who havent really studdied the history of christianity have to say about what a man, who has studdied just that for 60 years has to say. Ok so my professors had to successfully defend their work Did your professors successfully defend their work and obtain at the very least a masters degree? One of the professors I referred to teaches history of Christianity (they don't call it that but that’s what it is) at the local Christian high school. he did his masters work specifically on Christianity. I would trust someone with a high level degree because you can't just make stuff up and still pass. 60 years of study doesn't mean much if your only looking at the same documents over and over. Typically faith based institutions have a very narrow curriculum that is by no stretch marginally outdated. They would fail accreditation if not for the pressures from the respective communities and the fear of loosing more students to a system that is already failing to provide even the basic services to their students. I was just pointing out that I'm a radical of sorts and perhaps some people wouldn't be very happy with my policies. if you are stereotyping RHEMA, maybe you should look it up. and if you wanna hate on Pastor Hagin- who runs the school, get in line, but before you run your mouth, remember in order to be a PROFESSOR in an accredited school you have to have a degree, how have your professors "defend" their work? obvuiously not well if their class titles are a cover for what they are relly teaching. And so I’ll ask the question Is RHEMA accredited? So if you ever decide on what day you try for your degree What happens is you will present your work to a panel of your professors If they can't fault it or you can defend it you pass Otherwise you must try again So tell me What are my professors really teaching? Perhaps they are teaching their students to think, to make up their own minds, to look for more than one source. I was once a good little blind lamb...but those days are over. There are many paths up the mountain but I can't tell you which one leads to the top. I don't know if any of them lead to the top, they might all lead to the top, but still I have made my own choice and I would encourage you to wake up and do the same. Challenge authority! Maybe rocking the boat a bit will do you some good yes rhema is accredited and you can get a degree, its a two year school, so you get transferable assosiates in christian sciences. yes the professors teach us to think, i am by no means a blind sheep. sheep are stupid and will follow anybody. i am a blood-bought child of the Living God. do not judge me by your perception of christianity, you do not know my whole story, nor obviously the whole truth about christans. I live for challanging authority. remember you dont know me or where ive been or what ive been through, the only authority i dont challange is Gods authority, because that to me would be like biting the hand that feeds you. i dont know if you have ever truly known God, or if you are simply going by religion to make your assumptions. go back and read my post again never said you were ever a sheep I would hope you are after something more than an AA wan't asking about your professors...just mine
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 8:34 am
dragongirl42391 lordstar dragongirl42391 lordstar promised_child lordstar promised_child Seriously, what's wrong with abstinence? Actually there is nothing wrong with abstinence. But knowlage is power and by only teaching abstinence we do not empower the youth to make their own choice. now on the other side of the coin there is nothing wrong with sex either just need to be smart about it is all And saying that youth are informed with only the choice of abstinence is totally....I mean come on. Look at anything on tv, watch MTV for one day, and you'll know that young people are definitly being more informed about the other choice than they are about abstinence. Despite what they're being taught in school, "sex when I feel like it, as long as I'm smart" is the predominant view and abstinence is the minority. Aren't you Jewish? Don't Jews follow God's law about sexual immorality? I guess I don't really know you, but this makes you sound like you think that your law is so much better than God's law. I would trust MTV about as much as Wiki (not at all) The call abstinence only programs abstinence only because that’s all the information students get...abstinence only. I am a pagan jew And "God's laws and God's word" are far from the original http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=1311142&page=6check my post only slightly off topic but I’m sure we can make it work
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 7:14 pm
What is a pagan Jew?
And I'm sorry, but you're link that you gave me didn't really connect for me.
Connect the dots for me?
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 11:16 pm
dragongirl42391 What is a pagan Jew? And I'm sorry, but you're link that you gave me didn't really connect for me. Connect the dots for me? ok then so the laws about sex and morality really have very little to do with morality what did we learn about the black plague unclean = unhealthy its an old history lesson that didn't sink in for a while so how does one become unclean well there are lots of ways working is one of the ways so is sex (use your imagination...or take my word for it) so thus laws were created to keep people clean and thus the population was healthier now lets move on to property laws how was property passed from one generation to the next back in the day (really isn't all that long ago 150 years or so tops) from father to son sorry ladies not all that long ago ya'll fell under covertures laws (Spanish had common law...they had to get something right I mean really who puts more cannons on a ship then can ever be fired...) oh and if your under 18 and live in the US you are by a technicality also considered property (crazy isn't it) ok back to the point so how did people make sure their property was passed down to their kid and not some other guys? thus came the limitations on sexuality its nothing more than a social control scam (not that over population didn't have anything to do with it) What is a pagan Jew? a Jew (remember that we are a culture all our own kinda like the French are from France) now all you need to know is what a pagan is
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 7:12 pm
lordstar dragongirl42391 What is a pagan Jew? And I'm sorry, but you're link that you gave me didn't really connect for me. Connect the dots for me? ok then so the laws about sex and morality really have very little to do with morality what did we learn about the black plague unclean = unhealthy its an old history lesson that didn't sink in for a while so how does one become unclean well there are lots of ways working is one of the ways so is sex (use your imagination...or take my word for it) so thus laws were created to keep people clean and thus the population was healthier now lets move on to property laws how was property passed from one generation to the next back in the day (really isn't all that long ago 150 years or so tops) from father to son sorry ladies not all that long ago ya'll fell under covertures laws (Spanish had common law...they had to get something right I mean really who puts more cannons on a ship then can ever be fired...) oh and if your under 18 and live in the US you are by a technicality also considered property (crazy isn't it) ok back to the point so how did people make sure their property was passed down to their kid and not some other guys? thus came the limitations on sexuality its nothing more than a social control scam (not that over population didn't have anything to do with it) What is a pagan Jew? a Jew (remember that we are a culture all our own kinda like the French are from France) now all you need to know is what a pagan is I see. I would have to disagree with you, however. Most of thsoe laws were meant to keep people clean, I agree, and lead healthy lives etc etc. Because of modern sanitation (and because of the New covenant brought along by Jesus Christ, by which we, as Christians, are not bound to the Old Laws) the laws of sanitation and unhealthy foods and such that are found in the Bible are not followed by most Christians. (some do and that's fine.) I understand that you are Jewish (or a pagan Jew) and the New Testament probably doesn't hold much weight with you, however, the laws that are mentioned in the New Testament and by Jesus are the laws that we follow because we it is how we express our love to God and to others. ( AKA morality) One of the things mentioned in the New Testament is abstinence/purity. That is why I think God gave that specific law not only for cleanliness (I think avoiding STDS is a good thing...) and for morality. Here are some new Testament verse regarding the subject: [When we come to the New Testament we don't have verses explicitly describing the act of premarital sex and its consequences like we do in Exodus or Deuteronomy. It is clear, however, that virginity is still the standard for unmarried Christians and that sex outside the context of marriage is still considered sin.] 1 Corinthians 6:16-18 Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, "The two will become one flesh." But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with him in spirit. Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. [Sexual intimacy "unites" you with the other person. When this uniting of flesh happens outside of marriage, it is called "sexual immorality." One fleshness is to be limited to the one you marry. This is similar to what we saw in Exodus 22:16-17.] 1 Corinthians 7:1-2 Now about the questions you asked in your letter. Yes, it is good to live a celibate life. But because there is so much sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband. [Notice that to avoid sexual immorality outside of marriage people should marry.] 1 Corinthians 7:8-9 Now I say to those who aren't married and to widows it's better to stay unmarried, just as I am. But if they can't control themselves, they should go ahead and marry. It's better to marry than to burn with lust. [If you are struggling with wanting to have sex, get married. Premarital sex isn't an option for dealing with lust. It's either marriage or you are in sexual sin.] Ephesians 5:31 "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh." [Paul is quoting from Genesis 2:24 and affirming the Old Testament standard of uniting in flesh only with your spouse. One fleshness is to happen when a man leaves his father and mother and is "united to his wife." Compare with 1 Corinthians 6:16-18.] 1 Thessalonians 4:2-8 For you know what instructions we gave you by the authority of the Lord Jesus. It is God's will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to acquire a wife in a way that is holy and honorable, not in passionate lust like the heathen, who do not know God; and that in this manner no one should cheat his brother or take advantage of him. The Lord will punish men for all such sins, as we have already told you and warned you. For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life. Therefore, he who rejects this instruction does not reject man but God, who gives you his Holy Spirit. ["Acquire a wife in a way that is holy and honorable" or you are in sexual immorality. Sexual sin harms others besides those who engage in it. In adultery, the spouse is always wronged. Premarital sex "cheats" the future partner by robbing him or her of the virginity that ought to be brought to marriage.] Hebrews 13:4 Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral. [Again, it's a pure marriage bed or you are an "adulterer" or "sexually immoral."] 1 Timothy 5:2 Treat older women as mothers, and younger women as sisters, with absolute purity. [As a Christian man, if you are not married to her, then she is your sister (who you must treat "with absolute purity").] 1 Corinthians 7:7:28,34,36-38 [Note in these verses how virginity is assumed for unmarried women living in Christian homes. This is the same thing as we saw in the Old Testament. Virginity was the standard for God's people.] 2 Corinthians 11:2 I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him. [Although this passage is talking about Christ and His people, it uses the analogy of a Christian man receiving his bride "as a pure virgin." Virginity was the ideal. Premarital sex was viewed as sexual immorality - just as in the Old Testament.] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The standard in both the Old and New Testament regarding premarital sex is the same. Premarital sex is considered sin and a violation of the uniting of bodies that should happen only in marriage. It is important to say, however, that many Christians have violated this standard. THIS WAS TRUE OF THOSE IN THE EARLY CHURCH TOO. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders... will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:11 pm
lordstar dragongirl42391 lordstar dragongirl42391 lordstar promised_child lordstar promised_child Seriously, what's wrong with abstinence? Actually there is nothing wrong with abstinence. But knowlage is power and by only teaching abstinence we do not empower the youth to make their own choice. now on the other side of the coin there is nothing wrong with sex either just need to be smart about it is all And saying that youth are informed with only the choice of abstinence is totally....I mean come on. Look at anything on tv, watch MTV for one day, and you'll know that young people are definitly being more informed about the other choice than they are about abstinence. Despite what they're being taught in school, "sex when I feel like it, as long as I'm smart" is the predominant view and abstinence is the minority. Aren't you Jewish? Don't Jews follow God's law about sexual immorality? I guess I don't really know you, but this makes you sound like you think that your law is so much better than God's law. I would trust MTV about as much as Wiki (not at all) The call abstinence only programs abstinence only because that’s all the information students get...abstinence only. I am a pagan jew And "God's laws and God's word" are far from the original http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?t=1311142&page=6check my post only slightly off topic but I’m sure we can make it work Gods law is Gods word. the OT was writen millenia ago. also, i dont know what high school you went to, but abstinance was a tiny blurb. and im sorry but calling yourself a "pagan jew" is an insult to Gods chosen people.
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