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 Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:28 pm
lordstar promised_child lordstar promised_child lordstar trinity343 aside from the middle east? let's see china, North Korea, multiple countries through out africa, Europe, North America (including the US). persecution doesn't have to be just getting themselves killed but it is also being ridiculed for one's beliefs just b/c they are standing up for what's right (and yes doing it the right way). generally we think of persecution of the church in places where a person can and will be killed for their beliefs but that isn't always the case. Jesus said the world will hate us b/c of him. obviously he was right. The world loves the darkness and it's sin and can't stand anything that would want to bring those sins to light. b/c of that persecution is existent. It’s fine to read the bible in China but not to preach it. I will concede North Korea, Africa is a bit iffy, Europe is a definite no, and North America...your kidding right? I know you have explained that persecution isn't just people getting killed because of their beliefs but the way the word was presented we were not talking about ridicule. so again if Christians would learn to stop pushing their ways on others than they wont need to be removed. (A practice I approve of) what about being jumped, cuz your family goes to church? what about someone larger than you threatening to throw you out a second story window because you have a cross on your cd case. these things happened to me in high school, right here in the good ol USA, ehich my husband is now serving in the Marines to protect. when these things happened, i was minding my own buisness. so explain what you mean by "pushing our ways on others". explain how answering a question in history class, ("do you believe that Jesus deserved the cross?"), merits being slammed into a locker. explain how that is merited. it does happen. alot. You bring up a good point what about high school? (I was expelled from certain locations for nothing more than being of Jewish blood) I keep forgetting that not all US citizens enjoy the same rights that I do (due to age) I would say that you were a victim of typical bullying (Not an action I approve of) These people are not supported by any official power other than their own now if your state were to pass a law saying all Christians must stay at home on Sundays (obvious abuse of power) we would be looking at a way different story as for the answer you may have given in your history class we are starting to get into more political views rather than religious Do you support the death penalty? (FYI: It costs more to execute prisoners than to keep them in jail for life) i answered the question in context with the book. the book even said that Jesus was innocent in roman eyes. the others just didnt do their homework. as for "bullying" it isnt bullying when the teachers do nothing about it, its the high school version of the stoning of steven. (the part where saul is watching and holding the coats- the Pharasee way of giving approval without actually participating). hows this the GSA only had 300 signatures and it was allowed to form. then the Bible study had to have 3000 signatures. I have personally shut down Bible study groups on my campus. Why would I do such a thing? ALL must be welcome. Any exclusion of any group for any reason will result in a revoked charter. Does this mean your Bible study group was excluding anyone? No. Be very careful how you write your bylaws. What does all this mean? You can't have a club for Christians, however, you can have a club for Christians AND anyone who wants to show up. Perhaps a critical thinking club might take an in depth look at the Bible. Perhaps also looking at other texts. Bottom line is GSA is all inclusive Christian club is not If I was your student rep I would help to create your bylaws and demand Admin to grant your club a charter so long as your club remembers it's obligations to the student body Think about why a teacher wouldn't protect their students. There are some who really have no business teaching and there are some who fear retaliation Is the bully at fault? No. Think about why someone would act that way. Now, how do we fix the problem? Remove the bully? Or can we remove the reason that a person would act like a bully? The easy answer is just removing the bully. But that doesn't really help. As long as the condition for the creation of such actions still exist we will never be free of our problem. (Always question your teachers and your textbooks. They are not neutral although many try very hard at it and some come extremely close) our club was all inclusive... we even made sure to pick a day when NO clubs were meeting.and we had all 3000 signatures in three weeks, sighned by almost the entire student body, we had like 3500 students at the time, most of the people on the list didnt identify themselves as christians, and in fact the entire gsa signed and showed, on occasion. as for the reason the bully exists, i hardly think having a sticker on your cd case is cause to be threatened. i had known this kid for years, i knew he would try. at the time i wasnt a christian, i just liked the sticker, so i told him what would happen if he tried, and he left. i wasnt a person who took bullying lying down at all durring high school- 2001-2005- i was in GSA, Spanish club, NJROTC and the bible study. we offered it as a way to get the required weekly reading done. so yeah, my public high school has good points, but lots of bad. in 2004 we became the only school in the state of WA to sign the "NO PLACE FOR HATE ACT" which actually worked. i was just pointing out that there is persecution in the US.
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 3:51 pm
promised_child lordstar promised_child lordstar promised_child what about being jumped, cuz your family goes to church? what about someone larger than you threatening to throw you out a second story window because you have a cross on your cd case. these things happened to me in high school, right here in the good ol USA, ehich my husband is now serving in the Marines to protect. when these things happened, i was minding my own buisness. so explain what you mean by "pushing our ways on others". explain how answering a question in history class, ("do you believe that Jesus deserved the cross?"), merits being slammed into a locker. explain how that is merited. it does happen. alot. You bring up a good point what about high school? (I was expelled from certain locations for nothing more than being of Jewish blood) I keep forgetting that not all US citizens enjoy the same rights that I do (due to age) I would say that you were a victim of typical bullying (Not an action I approve of) These people are not supported by any official power other than their own now if your state were to pass a law saying all Christians must stay at home on Sundays (obvious abuse of power) we would be looking at a way different story as for the answer you may have given in your history class we are starting to get into more political views rather than religious Do you support the death penalty? (FYI: It costs more to execute prisoners than to keep them in jail for life) i answered the question in context with the book. the book even said that Jesus was innocent in roman eyes. the others just didnt do their homework. as for "bullying" it isnt bullying when the teachers do nothing about it, its the high school version of the stoning of steven. (the part where saul is watching and holding the coats- the Pharasee way of giving approval without actually participating). hows this the GSA only had 300 signatures and it was allowed to form. then the Bible study had to have 3000 signatures. I have personally shut down Bible study groups on my campus. Why would I do such a thing? ALL must be welcome. Any exclusion of any group for any reason will result in a revoked charter. Does this mean your Bible study group was excluding anyone? No. Be very careful how you write your bylaws. What does all this mean? You can't have a club for Christians, however, you can have a club for Christians AND anyone who wants to show up. Perhaps a critical thinking club might take an in depth look at the Bible. Perhaps also looking at other texts. Bottom line is GSA is all inclusive Christian club is not If I was your student rep I would help to create your bylaws and demand Admin to grant your club a charter so long as your club remembers it's obligations to the student body Think about why a teacher wouldn't protect their students. There are some who really have no business teaching and there are some who fear retaliation Is the bully at fault? No. Think about why someone would act that way. Now, how do we fix the problem? Remove the bully? Or can we remove the reason that a person would act like a bully? The easy answer is just removing the bully. But that doesn't really help. As long as the condition for the creation of such actions still exist we will never be free of our problem. (Always question your teachers and your textbooks. They are not neutral although many try very hard at it and some come extremely close) our club was all inclusive... we even made sure to pick a day when NO clubs were meeting.and we had all 3000 signatures in three weeks, sighned by almost the entire student body, we had like 3500 students at the time, most of the people on the list didnt identify themselves as christians, and in fact the entire gsa signed and showed, on occasion. as for the reason the bully exists, i hardly think having a sticker on your cd case is cause to be threatened. i had known this kid for years, i knew he would try. at the time i wasnt a christian, i just liked the sticker, so i told him what would happen if he tried, and he left. i wasnt a person who took bullying lying down at all durring high school- 2001-2005- i was in GSA, Spanish club, NJROTC and the bible study. we offered it as a way to get the required weekly reading done. so yeah, my public high school has good points, but lots of bad. in 2004 we became the only school in the state of WA to sign the "NO PLACE FOR HATE ACT" which actually worked. i was just pointing out that there is persecution in the US. Must have something to do with your club paperwork then. And you’re right you shouldn't have been threatened for having a sticker but being threatened in that way isn't being persecuted On a side note I got a lot of dirty looks while I was traveling through WA didn't take too kindly to a Cali boy I guess
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 9:20 pm
lordstar promised_child lordstar promised_child lordstar promised_child what about being jumped, cuz your family goes to church? what about someone larger than you threatening to throw you out a second story window because you have a cross on your cd case. these things happened to me in high school, right here in the good ol USA, ehich my husband is now serving in the Marines to protect. when these things happened, i was minding my own buisness. so explain what you mean by "pushing our ways on others". explain how answering a question in history class, ("do you believe that Jesus deserved the cross?"), merits being slammed into a locker. explain how that is merited. it does happen. alot. You bring up a good point what about high school? (I was expelled from certain locations for nothing more than being of Jewish blood) I keep forgetting that not all US citizens enjoy the same rights that I do (due to age) I would say that you were a victim of typical bullying (Not an action I approve of) These people are not supported by any official power other than their own now if your state were to pass a law saying all Christians must stay at home on Sundays (obvious abuse of power) we would be looking at a way different story as for the answer you may have given in your history class we are starting to get into more political views rather than religious Do you support the death penalty? (FYI: It costs more to execute prisoners than to keep them in jail for life) i answered the question in context with the book. the book even said that Jesus was innocent in roman eyes. the others just didnt do their homework. as for "bullying" it isnt bullying when the teachers do nothing about it, its the high school version of the stoning of steven. (the part where saul is watching and holding the coats- the Pharasee way of giving approval without actually participating). hows this the GSA only had 300 signatures and it was allowed to form. then the Bible study had to have 3000 signatures. I have personally shut down Bible study groups on my campus. Why would I do such a thing? ALL must be welcome. Any exclusion of any group for any reason will result in a revoked charter. Does this mean your Bible study group was excluding anyone? No. Be very careful how you write your bylaws. What does all this mean? You can't have a club for Christians, however, you can have a club for Christians AND anyone who wants to show up. Perhaps a critical thinking club might take an in depth look at the Bible. Perhaps also looking at other texts. Bottom line is GSA is all inclusive Christian club is not If I was your student rep I would help to create your bylaws and demand Admin to grant your club a charter so long as your club remembers it's obligations to the student body Think about why a teacher wouldn't protect their students. There are some who really have no business teaching and there are some who fear retaliation Is the bully at fault? No. Think about why someone would act that way. Now, how do we fix the problem? Remove the bully? Or can we remove the reason that a person would act like a bully? The easy answer is just removing the bully. But that doesn't really help. As long as the condition for the creation of such actions still exist we will never be free of our problem. (Always question your teachers and your textbooks. They are not neutral although many try very hard at it and some come extremely close) our club was all inclusive... we even made sure to pick a day when NO clubs were meeting.and we had all 3000 signatures in three weeks, sighned by almost the entire student body, we had like 3500 students at the time, most of the people on the list didnt identify themselves as christians, and in fact the entire gsa signed and showed, on occasion. as for the reason the bully exists, i hardly think having a sticker on your cd case is cause to be threatened. i had known this kid for years, i knew he would try. at the time i wasnt a christian, i just liked the sticker, so i told him what would happen if he tried, and he left. i wasnt a person who took bullying lying down at all durring high school- 2001-2005- i was in GSA, Spanish club, NJROTC and the bible study. we offered it as a way to get the required weekly reading done. so yeah, my public high school has good points, but lots of bad. in 2004 we became the only school in the state of WA to sign the "NO PLACE FOR HATE ACT" which actually worked. i was just pointing out that there is persecution in the US. Must have something to do with your club paperwork then. And you’re right you shouldn't have been threatened for having a sticker but being threatened in that way isn't being persecuted On a side note I got a lot of dirty looks while I was traveling through WA didn't take too kindly to a Cali boy I guess lol its our friendly way of saying hi lol... how were you driving and what part of WA did you drive through?
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 4:08 pm
promised_child lordstar promised_child lordstar promised_child i answered the question in context with the book. the book even said that Jesus was innocent in roman eyes. the others just didnt do their homework. as for "bullying" it isnt bullying when the teachers do nothing about it, its the high school version of the stoning of steven. (the part where saul is watching and holding the coats- the Pharasee way of giving approval without actually participating). hows this the GSA only had 300 signatures and it was allowed to form. then the Bible study had to have 3000 signatures. I have personally shut down Bible study groups on my campus. Why would I do such a thing? ALL must be welcome. Any exclusion of any group for any reason will result in a revoked charter. Does this mean your Bible study group was excluding anyone? No. Be very careful how you write your bylaws. What does all this mean? You can't have a club for Christians, however, you can have a club for Christians AND anyone who wants to show up. Perhaps a critical thinking club might take an in depth look at the Bible. Perhaps also looking at other texts. Bottom line is GSA is all inclusive Christian club is not If I was your student rep I would help to create your bylaws and demand Admin to grant your club a charter so long as your club remembers it's obligations to the student body Think about why a teacher wouldn't protect their students. There are some who really have no business teaching and there are some who fear retaliation Is the bully at fault? No. Think about why someone would act that way. Now, how do we fix the problem? Remove the bully? Or can we remove the reason that a person would act like a bully? The easy answer is just removing the bully. But that doesn't really help. As long as the condition for the creation of such actions still exist we will never be free of our problem. (Always question your teachers and your textbooks. They are not neutral although many try very hard at it and some come extremely close) our club was all inclusive... we even made sure to pick a day when NO clubs were meeting.and we had all 3000 signatures in three weeks, sighned by almost the entire student body, we had like 3500 students at the time, most of the people on the list didnt identify themselves as christians, and in fact the entire gsa signed and showed, on occasion. as for the reason the bully exists, i hardly think having a sticker on your cd case is cause to be threatened. i had known this kid for years, i knew he would try. at the time i wasnt a christian, i just liked the sticker, so i told him what would happen if he tried, and he left. i wasnt a person who took bullying lying down at all durring high school- 2001-2005- i was in GSA, Spanish club, NJROTC and the bible study. we offered it as a way to get the required weekly reading done. so yeah, my public high school has good points, but lots of bad. in 2004 we became the only school in the state of WA to sign the "NO PLACE FOR HATE ACT" which actually worked. i was just pointing out that there is persecution in the US. Must have something to do with your club paperwork then. And you’re right you shouldn't have been threatened for having a sticker but being threatened in that way isn't being persecuted On a side note I got a lot of dirty looks while I was traveling through WA didn't take too kindly to a Cali boy I guess lol its our friendly way of saying hi lol... how were you driving and what part of WA did you drive through? I was with my grandparents on our way to BC and on up to Alaska we stopped for a few days in our 5th wheel well then XP (Hello)
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:50 pm
lordstar promised_child lordstar promised_child lordstar promised_child i answered the question in context with the book. the book even said that Jesus was innocent in roman eyes. the others just didnt do their homework. as for "bullying" it isnt bullying when the teachers do nothing about it, its the high school version of the stoning of steven. (the part where saul is watching and holding the coats- the Pharasee way of giving approval without actually participating). hows this the GSA only had 300 signatures and it was allowed to form. then the Bible study had to have 3000 signatures. I have personally shut down Bible study groups on my campus. Why would I do such a thing? ALL must be welcome. Any exclusion of any group for any reason will result in a revoked charter. Does this mean your Bible study group was excluding anyone? No. Be very careful how you write your bylaws. What does all this mean? You can't have a club for Christians, however, you can have a club for Christians AND anyone who wants to show up. Perhaps a critical thinking club might take an in depth look at the Bible. Perhaps also looking at other texts. Bottom line is GSA is all inclusive Christian club is not If I was your student rep I would help to create your bylaws and demand Admin to grant your club a charter so long as your club remembers it's obligations to the student body Think about why a teacher wouldn't protect their students. There are some who really have no business teaching and there are some who fear retaliation Is the bully at fault? No. Think about why someone would act that way. Now, how do we fix the problem? Remove the bully? Or can we remove the reason that a person would act like a bully? The easy answer is just removing the bully. But that doesn't really help. As long as the condition for the creation of such actions still exist we will never be free of our problem. (Always question your teachers and your textbooks. They are not neutral although many try very hard at it and some come extremely close) our club was all inclusive... we even made sure to pick a day when NO clubs were meeting.and we had all 3000 signatures in three weeks, sighned by almost the entire student body, we had like 3500 students at the time, most of the people on the list didnt identify themselves as christians, and in fact the entire gsa signed and showed, on occasion. as for the reason the bully exists, i hardly think having a sticker on your cd case is cause to be threatened. i had known this kid for years, i knew he would try. at the time i wasnt a christian, i just liked the sticker, so i told him what would happen if he tried, and he left. i wasnt a person who took bullying lying down at all durring high school- 2001-2005- i was in GSA, Spanish club, NJROTC and the bible study. we offered it as a way to get the required weekly reading done. so yeah, my public high school has good points, but lots of bad. in 2004 we became the only school in the state of WA to sign the "NO PLACE FOR HATE ACT" which actually worked. i was just pointing out that there is persecution in the US. Must have something to do with your club paperwork then. And you’re right you shouldn't have been threatened for having a sticker but being threatened in that way isn't being persecuted On a side note I got a lot of dirty looks while I was traveling through WA didn't take too kindly to a Cali boy I guess lol its our friendly way of saying hi lol... how were you driving and what part of WA did you drive through? I was with my grandparents on our way to BC and on up to Alaska we stopped for a few days in our 5th wheel well then XP (Hello) please tell me you didnt drive a moter home through seattle??? or up the coast, cuz Washitonians get picky about 5th weels being in our rain forest.... which we do have... on the pennisula. with petrifid trees. please camp in tents in the forest!
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:50 am
promised_child lordstar promised_child lordstar promised_child our club was all inclusive... we even made sure to pick a day when NO clubs were meeting.and we had all 3000 signatures in three weeks, sighned by almost the entire student body, we had like 3500 students at the time, most of the people on the list didnt identify themselves as christians, and in fact the entire gsa signed and showed, on occasion. as for the reason the bully exists, i hardly think having a sticker on your cd case is cause to be threatened. i had known this kid for years, i knew he would try. at the time i wasnt a christian, i just liked the sticker, so i told him what would happen if he tried, and he left. i wasnt a person who took bullying lying down at all durring high school- 2001-2005- i was in GSA, Spanish club, NJROTC and the bible study. we offered it as a way to get the required weekly reading done. so yeah, my public high school has good points, but lots of bad. in 2004 we became the only school in the state of WA to sign the "NO PLACE FOR HATE ACT" which actually worked. i was just pointing out that there is persecution in the US. Must have something to do with your club paperwork then. And you’re right you shouldn't have been threatened for having a sticker but being threatened in that way isn't being persecuted On a side note I got a lot of dirty looks while I was traveling through WA didn't take too kindly to a Cali boy I guess lol its our friendly way of saying hi lol... how were you driving and what part of WA did you drive through? I was with my grandparents on our way to BC and on up to Alaska we stopped for a few days in our 5th wheel well then XP (Hello) please tell me you didnt drive a moter home through seattle??? or up the coast, cuz Washitonians get picky about 5th weels being in our rain forest.... which we do have... on the pennisula. with petrifid trees. please camp in tents in the forest! nah we drove right up the center towing a camper
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:44 pm
lordstar promised_child lordstar promised_child lordstar trinity343 aside from the middle east? let's see china, North Korea, multiple countries through out africa, Europe, North America (including the US). persecution doesn't have to be just getting themselves killed but it is also being ridiculed for one's beliefs just b/c they are standing up for what's right (and yes doing it the right way). generally we think of persecution of the church in places where a person can and will be killed for their beliefs but that isn't always the case. Jesus said the world will hate us b/c of him. obviously he was right. The world loves the darkness and it's sin and can't stand anything that would want to bring those sins to light. b/c of that persecution is existent. It’s fine to read the bible in China but not to preach it. I will concede North Korea, Africa is a bit iffy, Europe is a definite no, and North America...your kidding right? I know you have explained that persecution isn't just people getting killed because of their beliefs but the way the word was presented we were not talking about ridicule. so again if Christians would learn to stop pushing their ways on others than they wont need to be removed. (A practice I approve of) what about being jumped, cuz your family goes to church? what about someone larger than you threatening to throw you out a second story window because you have a cross on your cd case. these things happened to me in high school, right here in the good ol USA, ehich my husband is now serving in the Marines to protect. when these things happened, i was minding my own buisness. so explain what you mean by "pushing our ways on others". explain how answering a question in history class, ("do you believe that Jesus deserved the cross?"), merits being slammed into a locker. explain how that is merited. it does happen. alot. You bring up a good point what about high school? (I was expelled from certain locations for nothing more than being of Jewish blood) I keep forgetting that not all US citizens enjoy the same rights that I do (due to age) I would say that you were a victim of typical bullying (Not an action I approve of) These people are not supported by any official power other than their own now if your state were to pass a law saying all Christians must stay at home on Sundays (obvious abuse of power) we would be looking at a way different story as for the answer you may have given in your history class we are starting to get into more political views rather than religious Do you support the death penalty? (FYI: It costs more to execute prisoners than to keep them in jail for life) i answered the question in context with the book. the book even said that Jesus was innocent in roman eyes. the others just didnt do their homework. as for "bullying" it isnt bullying when the teachers do nothing about it, its the high school version of the stoning of steven. (the part where saul is watching and holding the coats- the Pharasee way of giving approval without actually participating). hows this the GSA only had 300 signatures and it was allowed to form. then the Bible study had to have 3000 signatures. I have personally shut down Bible study groups on my campus. Why would I do such a thing? ALL must be welcome. Any exclusion of any group for any reason will result in a revoked charter. Does this mean your Bible study group was excluding anyone? No. Be very careful how you write your bylaws. What does all this mean? You can't have a club for Christians, however, you can have a club for Christians AND anyone who wants to show up. Perhaps a critical thinking club might take an in depth look at the Bible. Perhaps also looking at other texts. Bottom line is GSA is all inclusive Christian club is not If I was your student rep I would help to create your bylaws and demand Admin to grant your club a charter so long as your club remembers it's obligations to the student body Think about why a teacher wouldn't protect their students. There are some who really have no business teaching and there are some who fear retaliation Is the bully at fault? No. Think about why someone would act that way. Now, how do we fix the problem? Remove the bully? Or can we remove the reason that a person would act like a bully? The easy answer is just removing the bully. But that doesn't really help. As long as the condition for the creation of such actions still exist we will never be free of our problem. (Always question your teachers and your textbooks. They are not neutral although many try very hard at it and some come extremely close) on what grounds did you decide that they weren't "all inclusive?"
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:05 pm
lordstar trinity343 lordstar thestarthatshines lordstar Phishy Fish http://www.thebiblesite.org/ Help provide Bibles to persecuted Christians. :0 Persecuted Christians? This sort of thing still happens??? (Apart from the Middle East) Seems to me like Christians shouldn't be sticking there noses where they don't belong and thus ending this "persecution" Yes it still happens! All over the world! In MOST of the world in fact. and they're not sticking their noses out there! They live in countries where there is no freedom of religion, and they are killed just for being Christian and doing NOTHING. These people aren't like the Christians in America. These people put their lives on the line simply to read a single page from the bible. I don't think you understand the meaning of "persecution" this isn't people getting annoyed. THis is people getting tortured and KILLED for what they believe. We here i America can hardly comprehend that kind of faith. So don't you dare judge these people by america's standard of 'christian" don't you DARE compare the two. you didn't answer my question Where about is this sort of thing still going on? get a map and point please aside from the middle east? let's see china, North Korea, multiple countries through out africa, Europe, North America (including the US). persecution doesn't have to be just getting themselves killed but it is also being ridiculed for one's beliefs just b/c they are standing up for what's right (and yes doing it the right way). generally we think of persecution of the church in places where a person can and will be killed for their beliefs but that isn't always the case. Jesus said the world will hate us b/c of him. obviously he was right. The world loves the darkness and it's sin and can't stand anything that would want to bring those sins to light. b/c of that persecution is existent. It’s fine to read the bible in China but not to preach it. I will concede North Korea, Africa is a bit iffy, Europe is a definite no, and North America...your kidding right? I know you have explained that persecution isn't just people getting killed because of their beliefs but the way the word was presented we were not talking about ridicule. so again if Christians would learn to stop pushing their ways on others than they wont need to be removed. (A practice I approve of) also let's see places in europe where religious persecution is seen. France- http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/02/15/france.headscarves.ap/ Turkey- http://www.christianpersecution.info/news/turkey-young-muslims-murder-three-christians/ Neatherlands- http://www.christianpersecution.info/news/muslims-turned-christians-face-death-threats-in-netherlands/ It is much more then not just being able to preach in china. it runs much deeper then that. if it didn't there wouldn't be a need for the underground church there. http://www.human-rights-and-christian-persecution.org/china.html United states http://www.worthynews.com/christian-persecution.html just to give a few examples
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:55 pm
trinity343 lordstar promised_child lordstar promised_child what about being jumped, cuz your family goes to church? what about someone larger than you threatening to throw you out a second story window because you have a cross on your cd case. these things happened to me in high school, right here in the good ol USA, ehich my husband is now serving in the Marines to protect. when these things happened, i was minding my own buisness. so explain what you mean by "pushing our ways on others". explain how answering a question in history class, ("do you believe that Jesus deserved the cross?"), merits being slammed into a locker. explain how that is merited. it does happen. alot. You bring up a good point what about high school? (I was expelled from certain locations for nothing more than being of Jewish blood) I keep forgetting that not all US citizens enjoy the same rights that I do (due to age) I would say that you were a victim of typical bullying (Not an action I approve of) These people are not supported by any official power other than their own now if your state were to pass a law saying all Christians must stay at home on Sundays (obvious abuse of power) we would be looking at a way different story as for the answer you may have given in your history class we are starting to get into more political views rather than religious Do you support the death penalty? (FYI: It costs more to execute prisoners than to keep them in jail for life) i answered the question in context with the book. the book even said that Jesus was innocent in roman eyes. the others just didnt do their homework. as for "bullying" it isnt bullying when the teachers do nothing about it, its the high school version of the stoning of steven. (the part where saul is watching and holding the coats- the Pharasee way of giving approval without actually participating). hows this the GSA only had 300 signatures and it was allowed to form. then the Bible study had to have 3000 signatures. I have personally shut down Bible study groups on my campus. Why would I do such a thing? ALL must be welcome. Any exclusion of any group for any reason will result in a revoked charter. Does this mean your Bible study group was excluding anyone? No. Be very careful how you write your bylaws. What does all this mean? You can't have a club for Christians, however, you can have a club for Christians AND anyone who wants to show up. Perhaps a critical thinking club might take an in depth look at the Bible. Perhaps also looking at other texts. Bottom line is GSA is all inclusive Christian club is not If I was your student rep I would help to create your bylaws and demand Admin to grant your club a charter so long as your club remembers it's obligations to the student body Think about why a teacher wouldn't protect their students. There are some who really have no business teaching and there are some who fear retaliation Is the bully at fault? No. Think about why someone would act that way. Now, how do we fix the problem? Remove the bully? Or can we remove the reason that a person would act like a bully? The easy answer is just removing the bully. But that doesn't really help. As long as the condition for the creation of such actions still exist we will never be free of our problem. (Always question your teachers and your textbooks. They are not neutral although many try very hard at it and some come extremely close) on what grounds did you decide that they weren't "all inclusive?" a club must place the words "all are welcome" on all advertisements can't kick anyone out of their meetings then we get into bylaws officer selection requirements or practice like allowing the flow of different ideas thats a good start
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 2:27 pm
trinity343 lordstar trinity343 lordstar thestarthatshines Yes it still happens! All over the world! In MOST of the world in fact. and they're not sticking their noses out there! They live in countries where there is no freedom of religion, and they are killed just for being Christian and doing NOTHING. These people aren't like the Christians in America. These people put their lives on the line simply to read a single page from the bible. I don't think you understand the meaning of "persecution" this isn't people getting annoyed. THis is people getting tortured and KILLED for what they believe. We here i America can hardly comprehend that kind of faith. So don't you dare judge these people by america's standard of 'christian" don't you DARE compare the two. you didn't answer my question Where about is this sort of thing still going on? get a map and point please aside from the middle east? let's see china, North Korea, multiple countries through out africa, Europe, North America (including the US). persecution doesn't have to be just getting themselves killed but it is also being ridiculed for one's beliefs just b/c they are standing up for what's right (and yes doing it the right way). generally we think of persecution of the church in places where a person can and will be killed for their beliefs but that isn't always the case. Jesus said the world will hate us b/c of him. obviously he was right. The world loves the darkness and it's sin and can't stand anything that would want to bring those sins to light. b/c of that persecution is existent. It’s fine to read the bible in China but not to preach it. I will concede North Korea, Africa is a bit iffy, Europe is a definite no, and North America...your kidding right? I know you have explained that persecution isn't just people getting killed because of their beliefs but the way the word was presented we were not talking about ridicule. so again if Christians would learn to stop pushing their ways on others than they wont need to be removed. (A practice I approve of) also let's see places in europe where religious persecution is seen. France- http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/02/15/france.headscarves.ap/ Turkey- http://www.christianpersecution.info/news/turkey-young-muslims-murder-three-christians/ Neatherlands- http://www.christianpersecution.info/news/muslims-turned-christians-face-death-threats-in-netherlands/ It is much more then not just being able to preach in china. it runs much deeper then that. if it didn't there wouldn't be a need for the underground church there. http://www.human-rights-and-christian-persecution.org/china.html United states http://www.worthynews.com/christian-persecution.html just to give a few examples I took a look at the websites and I'm not all that impressed. The first is off the topic I will concede Turkey although there are more pressing problems there The third I have already conceded (Middle East) The forth only refers to pre 90's and is both bias and misinformed The fifth is so bad I'm tempted to ignore (at best it sounds like Christians crying wolf)
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 7:05 pm
lordstar i do agree withyou on the fourth. its a little rocky.
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:06 am
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the EU Constitution that not only NOT mentions Christianity, but the EU police/military force has the right to stop public meetings of Christians(church) when it's time.
Don't suppose any of you have done your research on Recommendation 666, eh?
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 4:35 pm
Baskar RuneScythe I'm surprised no one has mentioned the EU Constitution that not only NOT mentions Christianity, but the EU police/military force has the right to stop public meetings of Christians(church) when it's time. Don't suppose any of you have done your research on Recommendation 666, eh? I don't mind police breaking up riots and I have no idea what Recommendation 666 is
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 6:08 pm
he didnt say riots, a church gathering isnt a riot..... is EU short for ESTADOS UNIDOS? or something else??
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 10:46 pm
promised_child he didnt say riots, a church gathering isnt a riot..... is EU short for ESTADOS UNIDOS? or something else?? He was talking about "when the time comes" and that’s when Riots not peaceful church gatherings I could be down with a good riot now and then but as history will tell When Christians riot they tend to light a lot of stuff on fire...and I don't do so well with fire EU is European Union
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