|
|
|
|
|
|
|
 Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 2:45 pm
Terrain and hand picked, best of the best Spartan soldiers was the key. When you have a nation of 10,000 warriors getting the 300 best says alot. Additionally, the Persians never expected to have to confront the Spartans, they were gunning for the Athenians. The holding action, and thats all it was, was designed to give the rest of the greeks time to mobilize. The Persians miscalculated, believing the greeks would never unite. By the way, the sea battle that took place in conjunction with the holding of the pass was truly awesome. The Persian fleet was decimated by a force less than 1/3 their size.
|
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 6:22 pm
ArchWarrior Or as one of my old combat teachers said, "We train for combat in hopes that we never have use what we learned." great and wise saying but very hard to commit to because we mostly get into trouble and when we do it's the first thing we use I personally train my self inhopes of geaining knowledge of combat but in the presence of a problem I usually subdue my opponent before I convince him that he's doing the wrong thing and that sea battle was amazing the greek fleet suffered many losses but they managed to cut the persian supplies and get Xerxis to flee back to perisa leaving only one of his generals to lead the persian armies and that general was defeated and killed in the battle of Plaetea which was the final scne in the movie also due to the differences in armor and weaponry that I mentioned earlier the spartans only lost about 400 or less soldier in the battle of Plaetea against that many thousands of persians and the 300 that the king chose were mainly selected because he could not take more than 300 with him as his personal guard and because they all had offspring to carry their name he even told his wife to get married and have many children
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:43 pm
Key combat tricks that worked in the pass and still to this day.
Fight with the Sun at your back.
That way your enemy is being blinded by the Sun as you fight, making you harder to see and hit.
Take the high ground.
You can see more and attack from farther plus it is easier to defend as your enemies has to fight things like hill, cliff, mountain itself while fighting you.
Never underestimate the power of a good trap.
A hand full of people can take out a whole army with a few good traps.
For ex, one man over a snowy mountain pass with a bomb can kill a lot of his enemies and block the rest path if he can make an avalanche at the right time and place.
Take away their weapon advantage.
If your enemy is using a short range weapon try to fight in the open, because short ranged weapons don't work as well, if at all, the more space you put between you and your enemy. Like wise if your enemy is using a long weapon try to fight is closed areas, because long ranged weapons don't work as well, if at all, the less space you put between you and your enemy.
For ex. If you foe has a dagger just stay out of his reach and use a longer ranged weapon in a open area with lots of room to move. That way for as long as his is out of range he can't use the dagger on you unless he throws it. But if they are using a pole arm fight in closed area with lots of things around while fight at close range. That way it'll be hard to hit you without the pole arm hitting and getting stuck on other things around you, leaving him open for attack.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 5:16 pm
great tactics always ArchWarrior
as for the fight with the sun behind you it is mainly used in air combat because when a fighter pilot has enemies comming from the direction of the sun he is blinded by it's light and they can fire as they want without getting their location exposed
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 5:34 pm
Back from the died.
You fake your own death and the death of key people in your ranks. You disband your army tell them to try and make peace. After your enemies take over and let down there guard you and your elite team reenter the city and make plains for a coup d'état. You plant your elites in key places around the city and within their ranks. Then the time is right you strike back and show everyone that the rumors of your demise has been greatly exaggerated.
The key is to make everyone think you are died and for your people to try and keep peace until you come back. This trick is mostly done as a last resort when there is no other way for you win and the other army is about to take over.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 3:24 pm
that tactic is nearly impossible to perform
but the best way to do it is to retreat and let your army scatter then use the elites inside the city to perform an assasination spree at once taking out the key leaders at once leaving the army without a head and that will make them drop into chaos especially if you throw down severd heads
but these tactics don't work in this day
anyway is there any formation that you guys want to know about? or find a way to break it?
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:30 pm
ad 'Back from the died'
I think unless you're talking about a small village it could get hard to keep the info that you're still alive contained. As any bluff it requires the enemy to stay unknowing.
I think killing some leaders and throwing heads would cause less terror than randomly kidnapping people from the opposing army and mentaly breaking them and setting them free at public places in a way they have to be noticed widely. My guess there is that for most soldiers the imagination of a quick death is less awesome than the fear of getting tortured and humiliated.
Simple measures like consistently firing only on every third soldier of a marching column seemed to have had some success in Vietnam. That position was not very favored among the ranks of course, leading to some "internal competition" to not be the third, eventually lowering the solidarity among soldiers.
I think Mao was it who said, that a guerilla needs the the support of the population like a fish needs the water. Attacking the opponents army in a way that it is hard for them not to kill innocent when striking back, is making that "water" deeper if not done too obviously. The harder they push back the more they will eventualy drive the population into supporting you.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:01 pm
tell me about it
that's how it's happening over here in Iraq
as for the back from the dead plan yes if it's a smal village it should be easy to pull off
but I rather use the "Fifth Legion"
which is way better and more succesfull
you guys do know what is the "Fifth Legion" right?
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:16 pm
THE TRUE RAZGRIZ tell me about it that's how it's happening over here in Iraq as for the back from the dead plan yes if it's a smal village it should be easy to pull off but I rather use the "Fifth Legion" which is way better and more succesfull you guys do know what is the "Fifth Legion" right? I believe I do, but I know it as the "Fifth Column" - insiders that already live and have lives in the location you wish to conquer but are working for you. As far as tactics, 300 is okay but I prefer the moves of Genghis Khan.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:22 pm
 Yea, when I was thinking about "Back from the dead" I was thinking of something like this. In the past an army will sometimes wait years before attacking again and trying to take back their land. If you look in the history books and stuff you'll sometimes people waiting 50 or some years before coming back for revenge. Sometimes that wait so long that but a few people from the first battle is still alive and the trained their kids or even grand kids to take their place in the next battle. It is most likely way these types of war happen in 10, 15, and 20 year cycles. So this plan is only for people who know how to wait and lay low.
For example. It is kinda like the thing the US and Asia has. You ever notice that about every 10 or so there are rumors that some the US is trying to take over Asia or Asia is trying to take over the US? This has been going on since WWII because some people are still holding a grudge about what happen. If I remember right, the US and Japan has been going at it back and forth ever since the US forced Japan to open their borders and start trading with the outside world back in late 1800's to early 1900's.
P.S. Sorry about the size of the pic. I'll look for a smaller one.
Edit: found smaller pix
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 3:20 am
I stand corrected it is the "Fifth Column" indeed
and that tactic about the "risen from the dead"
has a slight problem you see when the enemy does a body count after every battle they check to see if the leader is among the dead and since that they have poeple who can identify him it is rather difficult to pull such a stunt
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 6:49 am
True that is if they can find all the bodies and ID them. Sometimes all you need is a good fire or explosion and some newly dead bodies of people from the morgue. If all they are doing is a head count then you are safe, specially if the body was to damaged to ID.
Remember in the past when they did a head count they only counted the heads of people. Sometimes the number of heads and bodies didn't match. Because some bodies was missing parts or a head. So they just counted 1 head, 2 arms, 2 legs, and 1 torso as 1 whole person. It really didn't matter if the parts matched or not. The reason why the head count was more important than the body count is because a person can still live without arms, legs, and haft the torso but no one can life without a head (even if they can't find it's body).
Besides it is not like they are going to do DNA testing on every badly damaged body. They'll just look at the roster, count the dead bodies, check off the names of the people that are still alive, and by process of elimination the names of people who are not checked off must be dead seeing as how the numbers add up. In speaking of the past it can work. But remember we didn't have DNA test until the 1980's and it was easy for people to fake their own deaths well until the mid 1990's. Even now with DNA testing it is easy to fake your death as long as you make so the DNA they find is unusable. And even if they did do DNA testing on all the bodies it'll still take them some time to do it all and ID everyone, that is if all the people are in the records or they can find a family member that they can match the DNA too. It is just to much work to do.
And even if they do find out you are still alive, so what if they can't find you. All you have to do then is just spread rumors that your going to attack soon and scare them over and oner again with false info. Soon it'll be like the boy who cried wolf, after a while they'll stop worrying about to you and your fake attacks. That is until you make your real attack at lest.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 3:47 pm
hmmm good point
but still isn't planting a big bomb or using a sniper rifle to take off the top brass easier?
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 2:10 pm
Well this is not that old but what about the OODA Loop? Observe, Orient, Decide and Act. All you do is out think them and make it so they can't think on the same level as you.
I think I have fake posters for stuff.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 4:14 am
well thinking depends on mind abilities and the enemy isn't exactly an idiot
so taking off the decision makers is a lot better
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Reply
