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PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 10:46 pm


zz1000zz
xTHExENDxISxMEx
This is what I thought when I read the the subject at matter. Your argument fits into a class caste system. You believe that "Crazy Bums should be ignored because they're so much lower than us.


You may think what you will, even if it is completely illogical and idiotic. I did not say anything of this sort.

xTHExENDxISxMEx
What makes you better than them?

Your not, your just another human being with an arrogant aura about you and most likely rich, snobbish, and were taught that you are better than everyone else.


You get this from what, the fact that i reject a "crazy bum" as a legitimate source in a factual debate?

xTHExENDxISxMEx
People like you just make me want to kick something because I spend my whole life around your sorts and can't make any sense of your mindset or logical explanation.


The reason you cannot make any sense of my "logical explanation" is that you choose not to read what i say.

xTHExENDxISxMEx
See the world as it is, before you judge the lower class.


There is a certain degree of hypocrisy in this statement. If you bothered to read what was said, rather than simply assume you were correct, you would not have just made a post completely filled with absurdities and lies.

I read what you said.
Your argument has the quality of a school-ground child, and makes not a bit of sense to me.

None-the-less...You didn't seem to get the fact that my reply wasn't to your way of debating. It was to your opinion and how inadequate your argument is.

Your argument is flat out just opinionated.
PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 1:04 am


xTHExENDxISxMEx
I read what you said.
Your argument has the quality of a school-ground child, and makes not a bit of sense to me.

None-the-less...You didn't seem to get the fact that my reply wasn't to your way of debating. It was to your opinion and how inadequate your argument is.

Your argument is flat out just opinionated.


If you are confused by my statements, i would gladly clarify anything i have said. However, your posts have not discussed anything i have said, so my best conclusion is that you are misreading or misunderstanding me.

Your entire rant discussed an irrelevant topic, therefore your criticisms are meaningless. My dismissal of "crazy bums" is only in that they are not acceptable sources of information in a debate of facts. This says nothing of their worth as individuals, and it offers no criticism to a "lower class."

Considering the nature of this guild, i find your posts quite unusual.

zz1000zz


Fox Youkai Kurama

PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 4:57 pm


Even if it's a little bit off topic as pointed out earlier referring to lower classes I'm not actually against saying I'm better than some others. Different people come from different classes and to call someone else a snob is just jealousy. Classes are more a mind setting than a legitimate division but they're there for a reason. While some have the luck of being born into some sort of nobility or wealth others still work to get where they are and the superior feeling is natural. Besides from that there are stereotypical opinions on wealthier people so there really isn't a victim no matter how it's looked at. Also just by what you said I would judge you don't actually have an idea of the hardlife and talk about it anyways which makes you a hypocrite. A bad one at that.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 2:31 pm


xC H a R M e L i Z a R Dx
You believe that "Crazy Bums should be ignored because they're so much lower than us.

She said "crazy bums", not "poor bums" or "bums who live underground"; 'crazy' being the operative word here.


Quote:

Crazy Bums should be acknowledged just as much as you if not more because they have experienced much more in this ******** up world than your pampered self has.

So a "lower class", as they've been called, should be considered more valid in terms of factual sources based on... class distinction?
Quote:

They would know much more and be able to tell a much more interesting story than you.

Being able to tell a story has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with being considered a valid source.


Quote:
Your not, your just another human being with an arrogant aura about you and most likely rich, snobbish, and were taught that you are better than everyone else.
...
See the world as it is, before you judge...

One might say the same to you.

If you have an issue with social inequalities I'm sure people would be more than happy for you to make another thread on it(with less ranting), but it has no relevance here.

Quote:
Your argument is flat out just opinionated.

Do I really have to run through your post again and show where yours is exactly the same, if not more opinionated? Not to mention entirely irrelevant?


Regarding the OP: a valid source is obviously not the same as a source with one piece of correct information. Consider how you would verify the information in the latter.
I don't see what the issue here is.

xsparkledovex


zz1000zz

PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 3:54 am


bluewolfclub
I don't see what the issue here is.


Neither do i.
PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 10:01 am


The issue be: what factors decide when a source is equivalent a crazy bum or not?

Is there a certain criteria to be met, zz??

Explain.

AnarchoManiac


AnarchoManiac

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 10:06 am


zz1000zz
Wishbone Returns Again
(If I had realized there had been a name dropped in the original thread, I would have asked the poster to remove it. I apologize.)

Do you mean "even if a source corresponds with one's view and appears to contain no obvious bias or misinformation, if the source is not trustworthy, it is invalid."? I assume, in the original debate, whatever facts being presented were still contested, right?

The quotes made it appear as though what was being cited was acknowledged by all parties as absolute, correct fact. To connect it to your analogy, if a crazed bum is telling me that E=mc(squared), the information is correct but the source is invalid (not sufficiently authoritative). If the information really is correct, I should have no problem finding a valid source.

Is that close?


As it happens, i do not personally know what the source contains, as i never viewed it. However, AnarchoManiac claimed it was proof of a particular claim with which i disagreed.

So yep, you got it right.

As it happens, later on, I posted the entire source in JPEG format. Now you claim to have never viewed the source?

Goodness me~! Bias bias bias~!

I suggest to you all that you read the entire thread to avoid any bias on part of your reasoning.

Just to level the playing field ;D
PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:27 pm


AnarchoManiac
The issue be: what factors decide when a source is equivalent a crazy bum or not?

Is there a certain criteria to be met, zz??

Explain.


The first thing i check for a source is whether or not it is verifiable. In your case, the source was not.

AnarchoManiac
As it happens, later on, I posted the entire source in JPEG format. Now you claim to have never viewed the source?

Goodness me~! Bias bias bias~!


I skipped past the pictures when you first posted it, as they did nothing to make your source verifiable. Incidentally, that post wound up getting deleted due to your saying, "You may now begin to sodomize yourself."

AnarchoManiac
I suggest to you all that you read the entire thread to avoid any bias on part of your reasoning.

Just to level the playing field ;D


That topic itself is not all that relevant to this topic. The relevant part would be the parts involving this particular source, and the controversy around it. Unless you are planning on discussing other various errors in that topic, i see no purpose in having people read it.

Of course, anyone is more than welcome to read it if they wish. I simply caution against it as it will add little to the current thread.

P.S. For those reading the topic, it is worth noting several posts in that topic were deleted for comments like the one i mentioned previously. If you read it, there will be a few parts missing.

zz1000zz


AnarchoManiac

PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:57 pm


zz1000zz
AnarchoManiac
The issue be: what factors decide when a source is equivalent a crazy bum or not?

Is there a certain criteria to be met, zz??

Explain.


The first thing i check for a source is whether or not it is verifiable. In your case, the source was not.

It was verifiable. I told you it was from the University of Sydney Australia. You could search up the names of the professors on the first slide and voila!

Or did you think the entirety of the presentation was formulated? Conspiracy you say? Oh boy~!

zz1000zz
AnarchoManiac
As it happens, later on, I posted the entire source in JPEG format. Now you claim to have never viewed the source?

Goodness me~! Bias bias bias~!


I skipped past the pictures when you first posted it
, as they did nothing to make your source verifiable. Incidentally, that post wound up getting deleted due to your saying, "You may now begin to sodomize yourself."

Read it boys and girls. Read it. The bolded text. She skipped the pictures of the slide I posted and then tells me the source is not verifiable.

And then I put in a nice little insult. But then you are using that as an argument basically telling the rest of this guild: "What Anarcho said isn't valid because he insulted me crying "

Ad Hominem~!

A basic ad hominem fallacy goes like this:

Person A says X
There is something objectionable about person A
Hence X is false

or let me put it into context...

AnarchoManiac made this one post that argued something
AnarchoManiac then said "You may now begin to sodomize yourself." (which is objectionable no less?)
Hence the rest of the post is automatically invalid regardless of whatever was written in it

Smart

Might I suggest perusing through this guild which you reside in?

You might learn something ^_^

zz1000zz
AnarchoManiac
I suggest to you all that you read the entire thread to avoid any bias on part of your reasoning.

Just to level the playing field ;D


That topic itself is not all that relevant to this topic. The relevant part would be the parts involving this particular source, and the controversy around it. Unless you are planning on discussing other various errors in that topic, i see no purpose in having people read it.

Well then, explain to me the criteria behind what makes a source equivalent to a crazy bum please ^_^



zz1000zz
Of course, anyone is more than welcome to read it if they wish. I simply caution against it as it will add little to the current thread.

P.S. For those reading the topic, it is worth noting several posts in that topic were deleted for comments like the one i mentioned previously. If you read it, there will be a few parts missing.

Oh, everyone was criticizing you in that thread. I was just the one most vocal about it. So I swore?

Goodness~!

Goodness me~!

How awful of me~!

But if anyone takes that little "PS" of yours at face value would be a complete fool to use an ad hominem attack to influence their reasoning.

Lets go back to the fallacy lesson~!

A basic ad hominem fallacy goes like this:

AD HOMINEM
Person A says X
There is something objectionable about person A
Hence X is false


AnarchoManiac made this one post that argued something
AnarchoManiac had quite a few of his posts deleted
Hence his arguments are invalid


Only a complete fool would fall for such a trick. Thank you for insulting the intellect of anyone who has read your post. Not even I can do that.
PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 2:25 am


AnarchoManiac
It was verifiable. I told you it was from the University of Sydney Australia. You could search up the names of the professors on the first slide and voila!

Or did you think the entirety of the presentation was formulated? Conspiracy you say? Oh boy~!


It is good to know whatever names the presentation were attributed to were real people, and teach at a university. However, that does not make the source verifiable.

So yes, until i have some way of verifying that source, i am going to ignore it. I have no idea how this could cause a problem, but apparently some people do.

zz1000zz


Wyedg

PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 8:02 pm


I don't understand why a source needs to be verified when it comes to a logical proof. I can see if it was something that couldn't be proven like if a "bum" were to claim to have witnessed a crime or if someone claimed to have some specialized scientific knowledge to back their claims, but whether or not the source of a proof is verified, all it takes to see if the proof is sound is a working brain and a small amount of effort. Besides, you can't just assume that the unverified source is any worse than Anarcho's own words and yet you are willing look at his writing. It seems to me as if you just don't want to read a university paper just to have something to write about in an online forum full of mostly kids. If this is the case, I don't really blame you, but at least admit that you just don't feel like spending your time reading a paper instead of passing it off as a decision based on logic.
PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 3:20 pm


zz1000zz
AnarchoManiac
It was verifiable. I told you it was from the University of Sydney Australia. You could search up the names of the professors on the first slide and voila!

Or did you think the entirety of the presentation was formulated? Conspiracy you say? Oh boy~!


It is good to know whatever names the presentation were attributed to were real people, and teach at a university. However, that does not make the source verifiable.

So yes, until i have some way of verifying that source, i am going to ignore it. I have no idea how this could cause a problem, but apparently some people do.

Two things wrong with your argument:

You don't provide a criteria of verification. Even if you do, its your criteria and thats where all the subjective s**t comes in. Hence invalid.

Secondly, regarding the bolded points: ignorance is bliss ^_^

The funnier thing is that you acknowledged the propagandizing in your post as you didn't make a reply defending your position on your ad hominem attacks.

I love you ^_^

AnarchoManiac


zz1000zz

PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:04 pm


Wyedg
I don't understand why a source needs to be verified when it comes to a logical proof. I can see if it was something that couldn't be proven like if a "bum" were to claim to have witnessed a crime or if someone claimed to have some specialized scientific knowledge to back their claims, but whether or not the source of a proof is verified, all it takes to see if the proof is sound is a working brain and a small amount of effort.


AnarchoManiac stated the "source" proved his claim. The claim was one of scientific nature. Some random person handing a sheet of paper to me with a formula on it would not constitute proof, and neither does this source.

Wyedg
Besides, you can't just assume that the unverified source is any worse than Anarcho's own words and yet you are willing look at his writing.


I am "willing" to look at his because i am rather forced to do so. The only reason i pay any attention to him is that he forces himself upon me.

Wyedg
It seems to me as if you just don't want to read a university paper just to have something to write about in an online forum full of mostly kids. If this is the case, I don't really blame you, but at least admit that you just don't feel like spending your time reading a paper instead of passing it off as a decision based on logic.


First, to be clear, i have posted links to at least three "serious" pieces of scientific work in my topic. I am intimately familiar with each one, and i take offense to the insinuation i am somehow hiding behind an excuse. You might as well say i seem intellectually dishonest. As a matter of interest, it is worth pointing out this source is not a "university paper." AnarchoManiac said it was a classroom presentation. So the insinuated insult is completely based upon your failure to read.

As it happens, if the source was supposedly a piece of scientific evidence, like an actual paper, i would have read it for precisely the reason you mentioned.
PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:33 am


zz1000zz
Some random person handing a sheet of paper to me with a formula on it would not constitute proof, and neither does this source.

How do you know that the paper doesn't state any good sources if you refuse to look at it?

zz1000zz
I am "willing" to look at his because i am rather forced to do so. The only reason i pay any attention to him is that he forces himself upon me.

This is just laughable. Is he holding a gun to your head or something?

zz100011
You might as well say i seem intellectually dishonest.

...you do.

zz1000zz
As a matter of interest, it is worth pointing out this source is not a "university paper." AnarchoManiac said it was a classroom presentation. So the insinuated insult is completely based upon your failure to read.

zz1000zz
The source AnarchoManiac offered was supposedly a presentation from a university classroom.

Wyedg


zz1000zz

PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 12:36 am


At what point did the something start being called a "university paper" just because it came from a university? I mean, do you really not draw a distinction between a Powerpoint presentation and an article?
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