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 Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 10:02 am
AmErIcAnSyKo ... LOL.
You realize how completely stupid you're making yourself and the people you represent look, right? Christians, the world over, should be ashamed of you.
First of all, I'm not converting anybody. I'm stating my opinion and defending it against people like you, who obviously have never taken the time to research the topic of discussion and just jump in, looking like a ******** fool. The only moron in here is you. And don't even try to label me. There's no point, you have no ******** clue of what you're talking about, and there's not a damn reason to believe any of the horse-s**t that you say. You're just wasting your time.
Now, back to the "arguement".. You attempt to "prove" your arguement with here-say and opinion. It's not going to work. Same rules apply to God, if the universe couldn't create itself, neither could God. Simple. For you to say something is COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY impossible and then turn around and say it's not, makes you an ignorant hypocrite.
Go back to third grade, kid. You're making students your age look bad.
And if you don't mind, could you tell me what school you go to, and who your science teacher is? I would like to congratulate him on the HIGHLY educated students he has, you being their "very best" and all.
rolleyes rofl Rather be dumb, than a dumb a**. rolleyes twisted
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 10:13 am
caleb 24 7 listen, the raw matarials that made earth HAD to come from somewhere, Right, and the NO POSABLE WAY that it culd have made its self by axedent there had to be some one or some thing guiding EVRERY step. 3nodding 3nodding K, ive dun some reasherch on it, and your right about ONE thing, so let me refraze the statment, he wold have to guide the elements around him to make earth, witch the bible say's he CAN do, basicly, and if you actuly READ the bible, I may just be convenst, i repete, "MAY just be convensed, untill then, you have NO solid evedens WHATSOEVER, that there is no god, go do your reaserch, or you have NO case what so ever, you refuse to even CONSIDER the fact, and you- HAVE NO CASE !!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:51 am
Ok my turn
Skyo you are completly correct in my eyes,Caleb listen.The bible
All of that stuff in there could just be jesus's wierd rantings on about a "Holy father"In heaven,for all we know he could have been making that up,there might have never been a man called jesus,the tapastries could have just been stupid drawings by a bored man,you have no proof that they aren't.
Einstien was a great man,he actualy THOUGHT about stuff in that time and discovered stuff,put scientists discovered how to spit the atom by science.Now with my proof to back his stuff up i think his proof is solid
PWNED BY SCIENCE!!!!!!
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:56 pm
caleb 24 7 caleb 24 7 listen, the raw matarials that made earth HAD to come from somewhere, Right, and the NO POSABLE WAY that it culd have made its self by axedent there had to be some one or some thing guiding EVRERY step. 3nodding 3nodding K, ive dun some reasherch on it, and your right about ONE thing, so let me refraze the statment, he wold have to guide the elements around him to make earth, witch the bible say's he CAN do, basicly, and if you actuly READ the bible, I may just be convenst, i repete, "MAY just be convensed, untill then, you have NO solid evedens WHATSOEVER, that there is no god, go do your reaserch, or you have NO case what so ever, you refuse to even CONSIDER the fact, and you- HAVE NO CASE !!!!!!!!!!!
There you go. Trying to prove s**t with the bible again. The bible is a book with about as much truth in it as OJ Simpson has.
I was a Lutheran for the first 15 years of my life. I've read the bible quite a bit more then you obviously think, so don't assume something you have no idea about, it makes you look stupid.
Nobody can disprove something that we can't see, touch, hear, smell or taste, and I'm not trying to disprove it, I'm proving my reasons for not believing. There's no point in trying to disprove him.
What makes it funny, is that YOU can't prove that he IS there, making you the dumbass who follows something blindly.
Simple deductions prove that you, are in fact, a gullible idiot, who lacks the ability to take hold of your own life, and become a leader, instead of a follower who needs a "God" to "show you the way". What's even FUNNIER, is that you still have made absolutely no progress in proving anything you've stated. You say God has control of the elements and s**t... Really? Prove it. Where is the proof, kid. Show me that.
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 1:05 pm
caleb 24 7 AmErIcAnSyKo ... LOL.
You realize how completely stupid you're making yourself and the people you represent look, right? Christians, the world over, should be ashamed of you.
First of all, I'm not converting anybody. I'm stating my opinion and defending it against people like you, who obviously have never taken the time to research the topic of discussion and just jump in, looking like a ******** fool. The only moron in here is you. And don't even try to label me. There's no point, you have no ******** clue of what you're talking about, and there's not a damn reason to believe any of the horse-s**t that you say. You're just wasting your time.
Now, back to the "arguement".. You attempt to "prove" your arguement with here-say and opinion. It's not going to work. Same rules apply to God, if the universe couldn't create itself, neither could God. Simple. For you to say something is COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY impossible and then turn around and say it's not, makes you an ignorant hypocrite.
Go back to third grade, kid. You're making students your age look bad.
And if you don't mind, could you tell me what school you go to, and who your science teacher is? I would like to congratulate him on the HIGHLY educated students he has, you being their "very best" and all.
rolleyes rofl ah, go to hell, oh, im sorry, you dont beleave in hell do you, so your saying that there ISINT a god, then how did we discover how to seporate an atom, I dont think that eynstine culd figure out what he did at the era he did if he origonated form a MONKY of all things, just face it, your proof isint ANY more solid than mine is.
Intelligence.
Something people back in the times of Jesus, did not have.
They were primitive. Has very little knowledge of the earth or the cosmo's. So they turned things they couldn't prove, into the concept of God.
God was the reason for rain. That was proven false.
God was the reason for earthquakes. That was proven false.
Nearly everything that God was said to have been the cause of, has been proven incorrect, with hard, solid evidence, that cannot be disputed.
You telling me my proof isn't solid, is saying that God makes the sun revolve around the earth and the moon gives off its own light.
neutral talk2hand
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 1:07 pm
caleb 24 7 AmErIcAnSyKo ... LOL.
You realize how completely stupid you're making yourself and the people you represent look, right? Christians, the world over, should be ashamed of you.
First of all, I'm not converting anybody. I'm stating my opinion and defending it against people like you, who obviously have never taken the time to research the topic of discussion and just jump in, looking like a ******** fool. The only moron in here is you. And don't even try to label me. There's no point, you have no ******** clue of what you're talking about, and there's not a damn reason to believe any of the horse-s**t that you say. You're just wasting your time.
Now, back to the "arguement".. You attempt to "prove" your arguement with here-say and opinion. It's not going to work. Same rules apply to God, if the universe couldn't create itself, neither could God. Simple. For you to say something is COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY impossible and then turn around and say it's not, makes you an ignorant hypocrite.
Go back to third grade, kid. You're making students your age look bad.
And if you don't mind, could you tell me what school you go to, and who your science teacher is? I would like to congratulate him on the HIGHLY educated students he has, you being their "very best" and all.
rolleyes rofl Rather be dumb, than a dumb a**. rolleyes twisted
Where's your proof, buddy?
wink
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 4:07 pm
caleb 24 7 leahbeah1234 Quote: Oh, really?
I hadn't thought of that.
You know why?
Because if what you say is true, then there's no such thing as God.
Why? Because according to what you say, nothing or nobody would have been here to create him. He couldn't just "make himself by accident".
Your arguement is a joke. thanks. smile err. i wasnt talking to you.. ¬_¬
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:12 am
leahbeah1234 Quote: Oh, really?
I hadn't thought of that.
You know why?
Because if what you say is true, then there's no such thing as God.
Why? Because according to what you say, nothing or nobody would have been here to create him. He couldn't just "make himself by accident".
Your arguement is a joke.
If nothing can appear out of nowhere or create itself, then God couldn't exist because God was supposedly "the first". What would have created him?
He's being a hypocrite, and so are you if you believe that.
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 10:54 am
AmErIcAnSyKo leahbeah1234 Quote: Oh, really?
I hadn't thought of that.
You know why?
Because if what you say is true, then there's no such thing as God.
Why? Because according to what you say, nothing or nobody would have been here to create him. He couldn't just "make himself by accident".
Your arguement is a joke.
If nothing can appear out of nowhere or create itself, then God couldn't exist because God was supposedly "the first". What would have created him?
He's being a hypocrite, and so are you if you believe that. Err, your beginning to sink into my head. You do have a point, that yet. I have never thought about.
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:34 am
leahbeah1234 AmErIcAnSyKo leahbeah1234 Quote: Oh, really?
I hadn't thought of that.
You know why?
Because if what you say is true, then there's no such thing as God.
Why? Because according to what you say, nothing or nobody would have been here to create him. He couldn't just "make himself by accident".
Your arguement is a joke.
If nothing can appear out of nowhere or create itself, then God couldn't exist because God was supposedly "the first". What would have created him?
He's being a hypocrite, and so are you if you believe that. Err, your beginning to sink into my head. You do have a point, that yet. I have never thought about.
Don't go converting to atheism because of me. I want to change the way people think, to look at things from all angles and then form an opinion or belief on their own, not be responsible for their loss of faith.
sweatdrop
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Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 4:35 pm
my ten cents
religions are a way for very charismatic and inventive person to control many people
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Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 6:55 am
I always love these, they are always so fun to discuss about. Well first of all I want to state that I believe in a higher power, simple simple. And as a believer of a higher power I have to say I'm rather appalled at the pathetic defenses that the faithful are holding up. caleb 24 7, I just want to ask; what the hell was that dribble? Low blow insults never substitute for straight answers that AmErIcAnSyKo has been giving right back. Jason Da Psycho, of course you would believe AmErIcAnSyKo to be correct as it is your inclination to believe he is right, and I would like you to crack open a Bible once in awhile and actually cite correctly your comments on the book itself. Jesus never had weird rantings and many of his teachings have been misconstrued by human hands to maintain control over a failing Roman Empire, hence why I rarely use the Bible as a defense of God. And AmErIcAnSyKo you've proven your point, no need to antagonize someone that can't really back up his own postings, it will only cause more anger and resentment towards one another.
But you know what? To lighten the mood, I'm not going to argue like I usually do in religious debates, I'm sure you remember me AmErIcAnSyKo from that last one I had with you and Conetto1, so you already know my views on the issue of God. Now then, onto my religious satire.
In all seriousness, the Bible is the most easily attacked book ever for its contradictions, portrayals of a malicious and pernicious God, and major twisting of edicts. Cloud guy in the sky? Where in the Bible does it say that? Only thing I've heard referring to the sky is that Elijah was taken up there towards the end of the Old Testament, and that Jesus will come down from there in the New Testament. And in all honesty you can translate that into a million ways. For example Jesus descending from the sky with a lamb could mean some average Joe parachuting down from a crashing plane holding a farm animal he found on board the plane, has some revelation about life and leads a revolution against the established order. I mean come on, seriously, everyone expects all these amazing things to happen for it to be the End of Days. I think it will be average things that you see almost all the time either in real life or on cinema.
Now seriously, compare a guy having a little revelation after having parachuted down from a plane with a baby sheep to the miraculous powers of scientific study, results, and theorems. The prophecy of "The great Evil having the seeming powers of God and swaying the masses to their evil ways despite the sheep guy saying that its wrong to trust this stuff" doesn't seem too impossible now does it?
Ok here's a good one. Now in Revelation it is said that, "I shall rule with an Iron Scepter," now in all honesty that doesn't sound like the good times rolling that all these Preachers make it out to be, that sounds like pure dictatorship. Lets put two and two together, would anyone prefer totalitarian control over free choice and Democracy? The answer is; most wouldn't want that. So whats gonna happen? The fun loving people of Democracy are gonna try to kick the crazy dictatorship loving guys' asses six ways to Sunday. Only problem is...the dictator guys somehow spectacularly win and decimate all the Democracy dudes in the process. Does that whole; "There are more people who support the Devil's way and will be destroyed against the meek and not as numerous dictator lovers," not come to mind when we see this happen? Come on, we've all seen the underdog win once in awhile, you know you have. It'll be the same in the end of the world, only on a larger more grand scale. Funny s**t right?
Ohhh how about this one? The whole dragon about to devour the woman's child which is actually some guy that will rule the world. I got the answer to it already, we revive dinosaurs using the miracles of science. One giant flying one that hasn't been discovered yet gets into a fight with a squadron of jets (the angels fighter squad, just making a name up here) and the dragon-dino thing gets knocked off the sky....MEANWHILE!! Woman gets knocked up and dumped in the desert, she wakes up and sees the dragon-dino and runs for it and conveniently finds a cave with supplies left as provisions for the army in case they are in the desert. She pigs out for nine months while the dragon waits outside, hungry by now. Well as she's about to give birth, the dragon got his big mouth wide open to swallow the poor kid when all of a sudden the Army comes, and battles the dragon while a helicopter evacuates the child and leaves the woman...to die. Lol, I love how the Bible never elaborates on the fate of the woman unless she dies during the story...WTF HAPPENED TO EVE??? Thats a question I've been wanting to know for a while now. And when we can answer what happened to that luscious and very easily tricked (probably the first preppy girl to exist) then I can respect the Bible as a good reliable text.
Hell I got a million of these, hard to believe I made them up off the top of my head lol. I just thought I would lighten the mood up a bit with these, because it just seems that the whole religion argument is too heated. I always say that we should take an Erasmus view on things and just joke about it. Notice, I kept within the boundaries of the Christian and changed nearly none of it at all (quotes and citations is all I lack which I hope to get...) while incorporating everyday things that happen or could happen in the future. I mean seriously, whats the point of arguing? If we all just take it in good humor and respect each other and just get a nice conversation out of it then we can solve half of the worlds problems, as opposed to calling others names and egging people on to continue with their antics and get even more riled up emotions and more anger and disdain towards each other thus making the issue much more complicated than it should be. Lets all just smile and take each others perspectives no matter how illogical, or how mocking, or how just plain useless even to the poster, and accept it. Someone in here said that each word of the Bible is true, I can find at least 10 contradictions to that, but does that mean that the Bible is inherently evil? Not at all. Compromise and basic appeasement from both parties be it atheist or religious can help to create better feelings and eliminate this division and anger we have towards one another.
I think Erasmus said, much more eloquently, that "lets just all laugh at our folly," thats my two cents.
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:13 pm
Like I explained earlier, I take debating very seriously, and I wont deny that I get a bit riled up at times, but I do accept people having their own beliefs and I don't hold it against them. I was a believer myself for 15 years of my life, I know what's going through their head.
But I was a little more bold then most people, and broke away from my traditionally christian family. They call me narrow-minded for believing in science and using science and logic to explain/disprove things.. Yet they don't take it into account that I am the one who decided to break away from the norm. I was the one thinking outside of the box. They are the ones who are narrowmindedly following what the rest of the family thinks, while I listened to my inner cries, hungry for truth.
I don't believe in a higher power because of the substantial lack of evidence to even prove that a higher power had a hand in ANYTHING on this earth, and also beyond. Nothing anyone has ever found, could be proven to be made or caused by a "higher power" or a "god". I don't buy into the whole "science is the answer to 'how' not 'why'".. Lack of proof, drove me to believe it wasn't true. So I set out to try and find the truth.
I looked away from the bible, and opened up a science book for once.
I would, however, like to ask WHY you believe in a higher power. I don't really have that great of a memory, so if you told me why in the post with Cornetto, then I appologize..
sweatdrop
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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:01 am
......don't u guys get sore fingers from all the typin?
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:17 pm
I beleive in God and I beleive that he is real and I believe that there is something like the third heaven where God lives and there is something like hell where everyone that does not accept God as there personal savoiur is going to go. And I know that he created the world and without him we wouldn't be alive. And for the netural disasters thing it wasn't his fault that people are dumb enough to cause natural disasters like tsunamis for example did you know that the tsunami that happened in indonesia was a cuase of poeple piling dirty on the place where water is soo that they would have more land to there own use. So I don't think that it would ve fair to blame god for those kind of stuff. And if the world has no flaws then what is the point of living. And as most of us know one of the joys of life is the fact that we make mistakes and we learn from it. So i don't think you can blame god for those stuff. If you disagree pls email me.
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