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rachaella22

PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:04 am


Hmmm... I think I'll try looking at the 'Gaara Fight' arc.

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Here, we see Sasuke telling Naruto to save Sakura, saying that both of them are his 'cherished companions' or 'precious people', depending on the translation.

This proves that Sasuke does indeed care for Sakura, and that he's even willing to risk his life and, in turn, his chance at revenge, just to protect her (and Naruto). If he didn't care about her, he wouldn't have bothered trying to keep her safe.


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Here, we see Sasuke catching Sakura before she falls, then telling Pakkun to protect her. This is further proof that he cares about her. Also, as he speaks, he stares down at Sakura with what I deem an expression of sadness or concern. I think this shows he's worried about her.


Uhhh... Yeah, that's all I can think of. ^.^; Add anything else you can think of, please!
PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:15 am


You know... that scene just seems much more meaningful in the manga than it did in the anime.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:39 am


Repost of different analysis:

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In Chapter 308, Naruto and Sai are already injured. Sasuke's basically standing there looking like a pimp, and Sakura decides to fight him. We see her go racing, and then THREE PANELS of Sasuke's eyes and he ponders why she's doing this. the first thing that caught my eye was that his expression was soft. It didn't seem mean, and then, in the first panel with his eyes, we see a speech bubble with ".........". He was thinking. He was planning something.

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We see his eyes change and he brandishes his sword. Yamato gets scared and jumps in the way. Then you see three panels of the ANGLE of Sasuke's sword. It's going UPWARD, and yet his arm is still in the same position-- the sword never changed it's angel, even when it went into Yamato's shoulders. It went HIGH into his shoulder.

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I looked at this and wondered "Why did Kishimoto show us three panels of Sasuke with his sword going upward?". There had to be a reason. And then I noticed that he hit high in Yamato's shoulder. I stopped for a minute.

Isn't Yamato TALLER than Sakura? Sasuke didn't change his position at all, he just put the attack into Yamato. He didn't cahnge at all.

So, I went and found another manga page and drew a straight line from Yamato's injury to Sakura. And look at the difference!

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Sasuke would have missed Sakura by 6 or more inches, at least, considering his sword was going at an upward angle.

So what does this mean?

I think he was CREATING AN OPENING. He couldnt' very well just let her attack him-- he had to do something; but he also hesitated to attack her, which he didn't do with Naruto or Sai. He waited. He had to THINK about it first. And then when you look at it, he was makign an opening-- a way for her to miss the attack, to attack the sword, or to get a hit on on him.

This is supported because Sasuke made no move to go after her once he had Yamato down. He didn't go after her once after that-- and only went after her on defense. After he hand Yamato down, even though Sakura was still a potential threat, he decided to talk to Kyubbi in Naruto's head instead. That alwasy confused me. Why let someone go when they may hurt you?

Sasuke didn't want to fight Sakura-- I dont' think it's because he thought she was weak. I don't think it's becuse he was in shock that she went after him. I dont' think he was overlooking her. I think it's because he just DIDN'T WANT TO HURT HER.

Also, the above statement was at least given REASONABLE PROOF in Chapter 342. We see a page of Sasuke surrounded by a bunch of fallen shinobi. He asks if this is it, and Orochimaru's response is:

"You're still too soft, you didn't kill any of them."

Sasuke's response "They aren't who I want to kill."

I feel this gives the entire theory from above even more credit. Think about it. He's not killing those he doesn't want to kill-- the person we know he, for sure, wants to kill is Itachi. Naruto's gotten away twice (and Sasuke even tired to talk him out of it, askign why he was following him instead of training so he can become Hokage). Sasuke's goal isn't to 'destory his bonds'. It's to kill Itachi.

The fact that he said this gives me even more of an impression that Orochimaru doesn't have a very good hold over Sasuke. We've already seen that he doesn't call Orochimaru with sama on the end of his name. We also know that he feels soem sort of superiority over him (the "You're late. You said you were going to teach me a jutsu today." comment). He doesn't seem to feel too attached/frightened of Orochimaru, nor does he seem to respect him the way that Sakura respects Tsunade or Naruto respects Jiraiya.

Anyway, this gives me the feeling that he 'pretends' to 'destory bonds' and try to 'kill' his friends, but I don't think Sasuke has any real intention to do so.


Any thoughts?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 12:13 pm


Credit goes to Cookie-san <_< And Samurai-pet for the final shot.

[..C o o k i e S..]
xD Some more random screenshots of SasuxSaku I managed to capture (because I can't draw for the life of me)

Screenshots taken from one of the older Naruto endings:Link to ending. please watch this first! <3

SasuxSaku moments:
Ack, so blurry >_< --> Do I have good timing skills or what? xDD lol It actually took me a while to get it to pause at the right time

(most screenshots were taken from the images INside the leaf, so the pictures aren't that good, but I tried my best to time the pictures)

Theres also this image in the ending ( 1:17-1:18 ) where you can somewhat see Sasuke's figure being created by the green sparkle things

Cerdits go to *Samurai-PET for the screenshot+outline

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:30 pm


I just want to point out that there were three panels showing Sasuke's sword to show Yamato coming in, and Sasuke's sword making a clean cut through his kunai. Showing just how powerful that sword (combined with electric chakra) can be.
I honestly don't believe it was to show his sword was going at an upward angle.

Not to mention, Sakura's shoulder may not have been in line with Yamato's, but her face still was.
Yamato came in beside Sakura from the right side of her. So, say Sasuke was aiming for her face (strange place to aim at someone with a sword, but I suppose it would be effective). As Yamato slide in, because of Sasuke's speed, I don't think he'd have to time to get right in front her. No, he'd still be a little to the right. Thus, Yamato's shoulder would align with Sakura's face.


I don't mean to sound anti or something, here. xD;;
I mean, I've always thought Sasuke never really meant to hurt Sakura. And after the whole "These are not the ones I want to kill", I do believe the whole reunion battle was a bluff. But, I think that theory is sort of stretching things, and is a bit farfetched.
And I don't even fully support what I said up there, because you-know, in a manga, it's hard to judge distance and angles, because you're not given the whole field.
We see Sasuke's sword at an upward angle when Yamato came in, but we didn't see it before that, when his target was still Sakura. So you never really know. Not to mention, Sharingan + Sasuke's speed means he can quickly adjust to fit a situation.


But that doesn't mean the theory doesn't have any good points. The fact that Sasuke stood there thinking, while Sakura was running toward him means something. Because if Sasuke was just going to kill them all off, he would not waste time standing around. He wouldn't care. And we know, even though Sakura was running at his from a blindspot at first, as soon as he turned his head to look at her, if he really wanted to kill her, she would've been dead that very moment.

In fact, I don't think it's really the upward angle of the sword that we should be looking at in that page. I think it's the fact that he gave her a chance to defend herself that's important.
If you look at Sasuke's style of fighting, it is not his style to just charge at his opponent (Unless he's angry and not thinking straight. An example would be his first fight with Itachi). He usually uses suprise attacks the most. So the point to look at really, is the fact that he didn't just jump on Sakura (Which makes for a really funny mental image. xD ), he came to her visibly and slowly, in a sense.

Another good observation was the facial expressions. Unfortunately, we cannot say what he was thinking while Sakura was charging at him.
But contrary to Renee's post, I think he was suprised Sakura was actually going to fight him. I don't think he expected it, especialy after the whole good-bye scene. I mean, does Sasuke even knows what Sakura has been doing all the time that he was gone?
Now, Sasuke's other expression is what I really look at in this page, because unlike the majority of expressions Sasuke makes throughout the time-skip, this one visibly shows an emotion.
Now, I'm no expert, but to me, he seems to look... dissapointed? Or perhaps, simply unsure.

Now, I'm going to pause there for a moment, and take a look back on something.

"These are not the ones I want to kill."

At this point, we see Sasuke is not a relentless killer like we were previously lead to believe. From this, I drew the conclusion that Sasuke only kills with reason.
Now, with Naruto, by taking facts directly from the manga, we can see evidence that might make Sasuke want to kill him (You're going to have to let go of the theory that Sasuke left the village to protect his friends for a moment to see this). But what did Sakura do that would make him want to kill her? Be annoying? I doubt it. Sasuke's not that immature.
So from this we can draw the conclusion that Sakura did absolutely nothing that would make Sasuke want to kill her.
So why did Sasuke try to attack her?

I think that answer lies in his expression.
He was counting on Sakura NOT to attack him, because he had no reason to hurt her. He was dissapointed(in her?), because he would have to attack a person that did nothing but love him (Now how ironic is that?).

(I might continue this later, I have to get off now)
PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:27 am


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....... There is no need for words. gonk


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Quite obviously, this scene has nothign to do with Sakura protecting Naruto-- she's taking the position of protecting Sasuke's integrity and position within Team 7 into her own hands and taking that burden off Naruto and onto herself. A fake smile and tons of hidden rage, and her statement:

"Me, you don't have to forgive. You don't know anything about Sasuke-kun, so stop talking about things you don't understand! If you bad mouth Sasuke-kun one more time, I won't hold back."

And yet, her rage was STILL contained?

Even Naruto wasn't that angry.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 6:43 am


*pimping thread*
PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 6:56 pm


(Mmm, haven't been here in a long while. >.<)

I love how you guys get so technical. x3 Especially on the thing that Sasuke actually was making an opening with the sword. It makes me wanna dig deeper in the chapters, too. D:

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rachaella22

PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 12:22 pm


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Sasori mentions working with Orochimaru, and Sakura immediately makes the connection between him and Sasuke. This strengthens her resolve to defeat Sasori and get information about Orochimaru from him. This shows that, even when her goal is to save Gaara, she is still thinking of Sasuke and how she can bring him back. She'll take any chance she can get to learn more about Orochimaru and, in turn, Sasuke.
PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 1:57 pm


No to mention with that one, before hand, she had abosolutely no want to fight Sasori-- she was scared. AFter finding that out, it didn't matter anymore even if she died.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:57 pm


Kono omoi wa mune ni shimatte okou...
I’ll keep this love in my heart…






I'll post some chappy 306 goodness to add a bit.

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Notice how Sakura is the first to charge at Sai because of his betrayal. She was so infuriated that Sai was a new threat to Sasuke, that she was the first to charge him.










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And notice the emphasis on Sakura's expression. Her eyes and pupils widen, mouth slightly gaping, and Kishi even drew his famous stress-lines (the lines below the inner corner of the eye, used to bring life to mostly negative expressions)--all at the sight of Sasuke.





...Nakushita shimatta...
…”I’ve lost you…”
PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:28 pm


you know guys... i was really depressed cuz ive been reading a lot of kishi's interviews and debates about "narusaku exist!"and well, they where not nice about sasusaku.... and i really lost all chances of sasusaku, but thanks to you guys and this thread i got my chances up high again!
thanx guys i love you all! heart heart crying
thanx!

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:43 am


p 0 c k y n m i l k
you know guys... i was really depressed cuz ive been reading a lot of kishi's interviews and debates about "narusaku exist!"and well, they where not nice about sasusaku.... and i really lost all chances of sasusaku, but thanks to you guys and this thread i got my chances up high again!
thanx guys i love you all! heart heart crying
thanx!


Kishi's interviews?

.... Right. XD Kishimoto hasn't said anythign pairing wise in interviews other than he likes the interaction between Shikamaru and Temari, and that he hopes Hinata, Sakura and Ino get their chance with romance, and that there will be at least ONE canon pairing.

That's it.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:21 pm


KanaRenee
p 0 c k y n m i l k
you know guys... i was really depressed cuz ive been reading a lot of kishi's interviews and debates about "narusaku exist!"and well, they where not nice about sasusaku.... and i really lost all chances of sasusaku, but thanks to you guys and this thread i got my chances up high again!
thanx guys i love you all! heart heart crying
thanx!


Kishi's interviews?

.... Right. XD Kishimoto hasn't said anythign pairing wise in interviews other than he likes the interaction between Shikamaru and Temari, and that he hopes Hinata, Sakura and Ino get their chance with romance, and that there will be at least ONE canon pairing.

That's it.

well there was one that said that maybe "miss pink head and "blondie(somethin like that ) get somethin together" and i was like nooo!

only ONE!!! paring together!!?
aww.. that sucks gonk
oh! please make it sasusaku >.<

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