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 Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 2:22 pm
Sickly Psycho I think that pondering not only our physical evolution but also our spiritual is something anyone interested in the topic should look into. Believing in the reincarnation of ones soul and maturing though the span of time sounds like a form of evolution to me. Who is to say that the human body has not change, our ideas have certainly evolved quite a bit. Everything evolves in some form, I do not believe that it is always physical, for many, many years; I do not think humans have change in appearance but in other ways. Over a long flow of time, I think we might notice a difference in our look, but then that would prove evolution of the physical kind, wouldn't it... I agree with her!
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Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 7:20 pm
Ginvera We evolved from apes, we came from Adam and Eve, who knows...We won''''t, but still I believe in evolution to some extent. I love the Big Bang Theory too, it sounds more accurate then most anything else. Whatever you believe in is your choice. I would just like to make it clear that evolution, in no way states that we came from apes. It states that we share a common ancestor with apes. In other words, lets call this common ancestor A, humans H, and apes M. A -> H A -> M M -/-> H Where "->" means progesses to, or yeilds. And "-/->" means does not progress to, or does not yeild.
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Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 11:26 pm
DamienZshadow stare yes lilith. If only succubi were the reason for wet dreams...yea sorry, just had to respond to the last post about Adam's second wife. XP I also like Evangelion but the true story behind it is just as wierd which is just as disturbing...not as visually disturbing as the anime, but you get the idea and why they made the anime ending like that...X_x
Anyway, back on evolution...I feel that a simple quote can explain a very enlightening view on how science and religion can go together. I hope you don't mind Sucellus.
Sucellus Hm...although I source the Church and School of Wicca in most of my beliefs, I won't dare say that anything I believe is necessarily capable of speaking for most of the community. Regardless, my belief is basically progressive reincarnation. That is, we were once the simplest of patterns of energy, but gradually grew more complex and reincarnated several times as other things. For example, we would have moved on from being a germ, to algae, to plantlife, to invertabrae, to quadrapedal animals, to sentient life, or at least in that general order. And, in that sense, once we have attained all the wisdom a human spirit can possibly comprehend, we will eventually move on to a more complex animal, somewhere in the universe. I've heard it said that some people believe that may be found in porpoises such as dolphins for their interestingly high intelligence, but no doubt beings beyond our planet are another possible step as well. Of course, there will be periods in between these reincarnations where one will be in a spiritual plane similar to being on another wavelength with the mundane realm, where the spirit will be able to pass through matter at will yet retain a very weak amount of influence on their surroundings (I believe the average weight of a spirit is about 56grams/2 ounces by the experimented theories of some), and be able to interact with other spirits. Above that, there is something similar to the Norse "Valhalla" in definition of heaven, but it ties in with your ancestral background so as to comply with the collective thought of the respecting ancient culture(s) of your particular background, though travel to places of other cultures is very possible as well. Please note that I have never consciously astral projected, so I have no experience to assure that way of believing the world to be. Sorry for any possible misinformation I may have brought about by that. ^^;;;;
I personally love this idea. What does anyone else think about the possiblity that life has just been an energy slowly recycling and reforming itself in the physical and spiritual aspect all the while gaining the most prescious thing in life (experience). The experience behind our past lives must be so great, no wonder why a species would come out of no where and suddenly dominate the world with freewill, self-awareness, and technology (the use of foriegn objects in mechanical ways to help achieve something). I think that it can be possible to proove something like this and like all things in life, it just needs some time.
One simularity I noticed is that in Quantum and Subatomic Physics, it is impossible to determine the action of a particle as it is unpredictable and chaotic. This is how I feel divination is impossible, but it is also a very specific similarity with life. People and all living things have something called Will which allows them to choose for themselves. This ability makes predicting someone absolutely impossible, just like the energy that our universe is made up of. If life, our souls, are made up from thousands of millenia upon millenia of reincarnated energy from the begining of the universe...than evolution wouldn't be a theory about the origin of Man, but the origin of life itself from the basics and the begining of the universe. Who knows, we may be more than just "made up of stardust" (as in our bodies, the carbon and other elements that supernovaed from our sun) but our very spirits could be the most complexed and original form of energy in the universe! (That would even support the conservation of energy.)
I hope I gain some approvals in this idea. It isn't rejecting an afterlife all together as it might as well be obeying the idea of another plane to reside in before being reborn but it does reject the idea of an eternal paradise or damnation.a I concur. I believe we evolved by the will of the "Creator." Nuff said...
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Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2005 5:57 pm
Evolution makes sense to me. And there's so much proof of it.
Besides. Adam and Eve's story is based in Judeo-Christian tradition. There's so much sexism in their creation/banishment that I can't find that to be very legitimate.
And I don't think that the deities (oh yeah, they are plural too, huh? =P) would want their creations to be un-intelligent, yet provide such a "test" as having them not be allowed to eat the fruit that would supposedly make them intelligent. It all seems to counter-intuitive to me.
And I could have just read the post wrong (I didn't read everything), but wasn't Lilith Adam's FIRST wife? Hence her destruction/banishment prior to eve? I could have just mis-read what someone else wrote. I skim =P
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Luck-In-Spades Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 8:36 am
Yes, the Judo-christian belief is very sexist and provided as a root to most sexism in the vatican church and even before it. Because of it, some cultures saw women as not having souls, like they believe about animals. The very fact that we don't see female priests is a repeatitive piece of proof that most of these religions put down women over the simple belief that they are the "root of all evil" just because eve pursuaded Adam to take the apple banishing them to this world and out of paradise. Now women belonging to these religions seem to have a higher debt to pay for someone's "mistake" of which they have never met. Very unfair and sad, but maybe these beliefs will be more respectable if they would simply see women on a similar level as us.
Speaking of evolution, our souls evolve as well as we pass from one life to the other, but is that all that evolves? I mean, I know some people retain memories but is does everyone retain the same mentaliy, personality, and over-all view of things or is that something completely seperate?
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Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 8:47 am
Sorry... I have to correct here. Jewish belief is not sexist; they interpret it quite different than Christianity, so I suggest you study it. Remember, they don't buy the whole original sin thing, so Eve is not some bringer of doom to humanity. She's also seen as an equal beause of the region of Adam's body she was taken from. She wasn't created from his feet (thus implied to always be beneath him) nor his head (thus implied to be above him) but his torso (thus implied to stand aside him as an equal). That's the Jewish belief. Other faiths who use the bible can use a sexist interpretation of that passage (and others), but that dosen't mean that all the people who follow those faiths are sexist.
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Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 2:00 pm
Oh damn, then please forgive me. It was very ignorant of me to say something like that about all Judo-Christian faiths.
BUT I also already understand that the people who follow the faiths aren't necessary sexist if the faith is. Being raised muslim, I got to understand that first hand and still have a tough time trying to follow the religion because of its apparent degrading of females. And I also have quite a few christian friends who feel any woman can do anything any man can do.
But yes, sorry for my remark there. I haven't read anything in particular about Jedaism but I will now before I say anything else.
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