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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:07 pm
PhaedraMcSpiffy Society silences them by stigmatizing abortion, which is still way more taboo than being gay or bisexual. That's...debatable. Seeing the Kraken I suppose I'm not the only one who's wondering: how the ******** are they gonna manage it? They're completely vocal and outspoken the rest of the time. Stand around outside clinics with red duct tape over their mouths? Anyone going in would probably just be like "bunch of weirdos...". On the plus side, it would be a good day to get an abortion, since they can't scream at you. >: D I think they're trying to use this as something to do outside their clinic protesting, at everyday places like school and work. To show their "versatility". Maybe to even prove they're capable of more than screaming, waving signs, and regurgitating dumb pro-life slogans.
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:02 pm
That abortion is stimatized, or that it's stigmatized more than being gay/bi? I think it is. People seem more willing to support gay marriage than abortion rights. At least, younger people do. Being gay or bi is typically accepted, or at least tolerated. But abortion is seen as murder. Anyone who's had one is seen as a murderer. Being gay or bi is seen as just weird or a minor sin or something.
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:52 pm
Damn lifers... Red is one of my favorite colors. Fortunately for me I like blue better.
Anyway, I'm not sure if anyone in my town knows about the protest thing. I've never seen anyone with red duct tape on their mouths before, but then I live in a small tourist town, so... I'll just have to wait and see.
I'll have to remember to wear all blue that day.
*marks calender*
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 8:06 pm
PhaedraMcSpiffy That abortion is stimatized, or that it's stigmatized more than being gay/bi? I think it is. People seem more willing to support gay marriage than abortion rights. At least, younger people do. Being gay or bi is typically accepted, or at least tolerated. But abortion is seen as murder. Anyone who's had one is seen as a murderer. Being gay or bi is seen as just weird or a minor sin or something. If I may be so frank...that's complete bullshit. That is NOT the case even in the most liberal of towns. I live in one such town and the leader of one of the high school GSAs was nearly run off the road last year by the hockey team, because he is gay. People in our town use gay slurs all the time. It's not just considered "weird or a minor sin", and it is NOT typically accepted. Please, please, please do some more reading up on the subject. There's no denying that there is an immense stigma attached to abortion, but to say that being gay/bi carries no stigma of the same magnitude is dead wrong. And really, I don't think the two are even comparable. Most people won't know if you've had an abortion, unless you or someone else tells them. People will know if you're gay/bi/pan if you show affection to your partner in public.
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:56 pm
[Ernie] PhaedraMcSpiffy That abortion is stimatized, or that it's stigmatized more than being gay/bi? I think it is. People seem more willing to support gay marriage than abortion rights. At least, younger people do. Being gay or bi is typically accepted, or at least tolerated. But abortion is seen as murder. Anyone who's had one is seen as a murderer. Being gay or bi is seen as just weird or a minor sin or something. If I may be so frank...that's complete bullshit. That is NOT the case even in the most liberal of towns. I live in one such town and the leader of one of the high school GSAs was nearly run off the road last year by the hockey team, because he is gay. People in our town use gay slurs all the time. It's not just considered "weird or a minor sin", and it is NOT typically accepted. Please, please, please do some more reading up on the subject. There's no denying that there is an immense stigma attached to abortion, but to say that being gay/bi carries no stigma of the same magnitude is dead wrong. And really, I don't think the two are even comparable. Most people won't know if you've had an abortion, unless you or someone else tells them. People will know if you're gay/bi/pan if you show affection to your partner in public. Actually, Ernie, among YOUNG people, I saw a study (I wish I had saved the link!) that gay marriage and rights are more accepted than abortion. Now, I don't know where they got their data, and gayness is accepted more in some places than others. I live somewhere where there's basically no social stigma among peers for homosexuality. Of course, it's in the Willamette Valley. I don't doubt what you see... but, the plural of anecdote is NOT data. It's the way it is where YOU are... everywhere is different.
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:24 am
RoseRose Actually, Ernie, among YOUNG people, I saw a study (I wish I had saved the link!) that gay marriage and rights are more accepted than abortion. Now, I don't know where they got their data, and gayness is accepted more in some places than others. I live somewhere where there's basically no social stigma among peers for homosexuality. Of course, it's in the Willamette Valley. I don't doubt what you see... but, the plural of anecdote is NOT data. It's the way it is where YOU are... everywhere is different. Just because they accept gay marriage doesn't mean they accept homosexuality or gay people. There's a big difference. Also, I never said that abortion was more accepted than being gay. I said that saying that being gay/bi has very few social consequences is bullshit. And, my whole point was that "everywhere is different". But you can't deny that, throughout the country, there is still a huge stigma attached to being gay, as is one attached to getting an abortion. But the two issues are VERY different, and hardly comparable.
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:30 am
*nods* I understand.
Here, abortion is probably way more stigmatized. I was a founding member of a GSA, but we never got any harassment. ...But that may be because everyone was either straight or in the closet...
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:53 pm
I get it, kinda... cause here, neither is really stigmatized. There's gay bars here, and they're considered cool places for straight people to go to when the really good drag show comes in, and choice is basically good, too, with free condoms all OVER the place (if anyone in the guild needs condoms, let me know... dunno how good the quality is, but I can get free condoms easy here)
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Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:21 am
As much as I'm still surprised when people 'come out' as gay, overall I think we've got a pretty accepting country here (England). Moreso in the south than the north... but yeah, neither one is really stigmatised here.
Of course, you can't call a gay person a murderer, which carries significantly more negative connotations than 'f**'. And both people who perform abortions/work in clinics/get abortions/even just go to clinics and gay people are harrassed, or beaten, or even killed. Really, I doubt one is more stigmatised than the other - they just carry different stigmas.
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 10:33 pm
...So are we doing this on the 23rd like their website says or the 24 like the thread title says?
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 6:45 pm
Uhhh.... Better try the 23rd, then....
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 6:51 pm
[Ernie] RoseRose Actually, Ernie, among YOUNG people, I saw a study (I wish I had saved the link!) that gay marriage and rights are more accepted than abortion. Now, I don't know where they got their data, and gayness is accepted more in some places than others. I live somewhere where there's basically no social stigma among peers for homosexuality. Of course, it's in the Willamette Valley. I don't doubt what you see... but, the plural of anecdote is NOT data. It's the way it is where YOU are... everywhere is different. Just because they accept gay marriage doesn't mean they accept homosexuality or gay people. There's a big difference. Also, I never said that abortion was more accepted than being gay. I said that saying that being gay/bi has very few social consequences is bullshit. And, my whole point was that "everywhere is different". But you can't deny that, throughout the country, there is still a huge stigma attached to being gay, as is one attached to getting an abortion. But the two issues are VERY different, and hardly comparable. I think both have an equal amount of s**t. Women who've had abortions and gay people can hide it, but people can still talk s**t about them and it'll affect them. Women get called sinners and are going against their purpose or nature, just like gay people supposedly are. Homosexuals are beat up, hit, hurt, and treated like crap. Women who have abortions are yelled at, labeled whores, treated like crap, and given a look like they're inferior. Homosexuals are seen as people who make a choice to defy their "true natures" Women who get abortions are denying their purpose and true "hidden" desire to have children. Both get lots of fleck.
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Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 7:03 pm
I really hope this doesn't spread to Canada.
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 5:04 pm
that seriously pisses me off how they used the LGBT day of silence idea for abortion. that was OUR idea 1st,they need to come up with an orginal idea. as for me,i'll add the blue arm band on to my wardrobe for the day. i am going to tape a coathanger to the side of my messenger bag with a sign that says "no thanks back alley,i choose roe" (or something like that). i need to find out if a coat hanger is considered a weapon 1st..cause if it is i can exactly bring it to school. if i cant bring it to school then I'll cut out a big paper one and make it stable with cardboard.
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:42 pm
Wow, wtf? Lots of pro-lifers are doing it tomorrow. Organization = failure?
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