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Mahonri Moriancumer

PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 10:21 am


zaphodguy
Alexguy
Kagen Williams
If he doesnt, then how is it known that he can? Or that he has? If he has done it, then he does it, right?
Speaking of Hebrews 11, It talks about in verse 1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Considering the "onslaught of the aliens" it doesnt say "onslaught" it was talking about Gedeon, Samson, David and Samuel (prophets if I am reading this correctly), It is talking about the wars which made them stronger and the flight against the aliens (the battle against the foreign regions trying to take over their land, not space aliens.)

I know that little green guys aren''t real, just something to think about...

Becuase he''s God. He can do all things.


You said it.

That''s right! ninja
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 10:22 am


Necrospirit
Us Humans only use a 5%# of our mind,yet many like my self open alittle more of our mind.It lets us move things see things and many more,you should know...you are mormon aren't you?
uuh, correction, it is 10%.....

though you would think some ppl use 5% or less xp sweatdrop

yentl


Mahonri Moriancumer

PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 11:26 am


yentl
Necrospirit
Us Humans only use a 5%# of our mind,yet many like my self open alittle more of our mind.It lets us move things see things and many more,you should know...you are mormon aren't you?
uuh, correction, it is 10%.....

though you would think some ppl use 5% or less xp sweatdrop

Lol. And I don't think God can create matter. He follows all laws, and he can't just make stuff. Matter has always been here and always will be.
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 11:35 am


Alexguy
yentl
Necrospirit
Us Humans only use a 5%# of our mind,yet many like my self open alittle more of our mind.It lets us move things see things and many more,you should know...you are mormon aren't you?
uuh, correction, it is 10%.....

though you would think some ppl use 5% or less xp sweatdrop

Lol. And I don't think God can create matter. He follows all laws, and he can't just make stuff. Matter has always been here and always will be.
well, If god need to fallow the rules of the nature, than, how come theire angels who can suddenly disapear?

yentl


Mahonri Moriancumer

PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 12:17 pm


yentl
Alexguy
yentl
Necrospirit
Us Humans only use a 5%# of our mind,yet many like my self open alittle more of our mind.It lets us move things see things and many more,you should know...you are mormon aren't you?
uuh, correction, it is 10%.....

though you would think some ppl use 5% or less xp sweatdrop

Lol. And I don't think God can create matter. He follows all laws, and he can't just make stuff. Matter has always been here and always will be.
well, If god need to fallow the rules of the nature, than, how come theire angels who can suddenly disapear?

That's just things we can't understand. How does God come out of the sky? how does he make blind see? It's all in the priesthood and a lota lota faith. The only thing that we don't have the power to do on earth today is to raise the dead and resurect people. (Wouldn't it be cool if we could, though? 'Ha! I'm resurected and I'm still alive!)
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 11:17 pm


Alexguy
That's just things we can't understand. How does God come out of the sky? how does he make blind see? It's all in the priesthood and a lota lota faith. The only thing that we don't have the power to do on earth today is to raise the dead and resurect people. (Wouldn't it be cool if we could, though? 'Ha! I'm resurected and I'm still alive!)


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Becuase he's God. He can do all things.


God can descend from the heavens. How can people not have faith when they see these things? Why did the jews crusify christ, when they themselves saw the miralces win which they do?
The sermon on the mound. How did christ take that one price of bread, split it in half, and feed the whole group?
Who says we do not have the power to raise the dead today? For the power to do things comes through faith.
Peter and John heal a crippled begger through faith and prayer
Peter prays in faith and raises a woman from the dead.

Mark 9:23
If thou cast believe, all things are possible to him that believeth."

Tony Bartuc


Mahonri Moriancumer

PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 11:38 am


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God can descend from the heavens. How can people not have faith when they see these things? Why did the jews crusify christ, when they themselves saw the miralces win which they do?
The sermon on the mound. How did christ take that one price of bread, split it in half, and feed the whole group?
Who says we do not have the power to raise the dead today? For the power to do things comes through faith.
Peter and John heal a crippled begger through faith and prayer
Peter prays in faith and raises a woman from the dead.


Maybe we can raise the dead. But i know for sure that we can't ressurect.
PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 2:29 pm


Alexguy
Quote:
God can descend from the heavens. How can people not have faith when they see these things? Why did the jews crusify christ, when they themselves saw the miralces win which they do?
The sermon on the mound. How did christ take that one price of bread, split it in half, and feed the whole group?
Who says we do not have the power to raise the dead today? For the power to do things comes through faith.
Peter and John heal a crippled begger through faith and prayer
Peter prays in faith and raises a woman from the dead.


Maybe we can raise the dead. But i know for sure that we can't ressurect.
Wouldnt that be the same thing? Raising the dead and resurrection. In order for a body to move and have life again. It needs its spirit. Raising the dead would do no good. It would be like a bad science-fiction movie. confused

Tony Bartuc


beautifuldream

PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 11:31 am


Kagen Williams
Explain to me the resurrection of Lazarus and the healing of the Leapers in your train of thought.
Lazarus (the word) means helped of God, don't know if that helps you...but as to the parable, I would like to give my thoughts (read it last night) Basically the parable proves the existence of seprate kingdoms and the fact that you cannot travel back and forth between them, it also says that what you do on earth determines which kingdom you are placed into. As to the healing of the Leapers, Jesus Christ was helping them, I don't really understand what you mean by that...yeah. sweatdrop
PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 3:12 pm


It is said that with a mustardseed's worth of faith, we can move mountains. Wecould do all that stuff, trouble is, people doubt. Not to offend anyone or anything, because I get caught up in the laws of nature too, but who are we as arrogant mortals to "decide" the laws of nature. What proof do we have that matter cannot be created, just because we can't. People doubt. Maybe if we had a mustard seed of faith we could create matter, though I don't think so (ha! proof! doubt!) since we are not perfected beings. Then again, maybe doubt is the reason we aren't perfected beings and need to yet be perfected. (okay, well that sounded crazy) We all have a veil over our eyes, remember?

Another point, we jugde the age of rocks by the organic material in them and radioactive decay, etc. the half live of radioactive material. But radioactive material and all things that decay don't really decay at a set pace, just like dead bodies. Who are we to define how fast an element decays. All those dinosaur bones may not be as old as we think. There's no written history millions of years back because humans didn't exist here. But if there's written records of dinosaurs by another name (there's accounts all over the world, not just in scripture) then they could have been around at a much later time. By the way, I'd like to see that scripture with reference to dinosaurs, please.

On the thing about Hebrews 11:34; you guys are taking that in a waaay too modern sense. In the good ol' days, people didn't talk about people on other planets. And if they did, they wouldn't call them aliens. Think, if every other earth is better than ours, then those "aliens" wouldn't come to harm us, it wouldn't be god's will, because the scripture is talking about god helping his people through faith. Back in ancient times, the Babylonians, Assyrians, Romans, Egyptians, etc. were the armies of aliens (invaders, people from different countries, not from the skies).

Anyway.... sorry, I talk to much. Excuse me if I've annoyed or angered anyone....

Faeridil


Faeridil

PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 3:19 pm


oh yeah, just so I don't sound like one of those, "man is his own god" type of people, I meant that we could move mountains with a mustardseed of faith in God we can do nothing save it be by his power. A crazy or evil person couldn't just go around, with complete confidence in himself/herself and heal people or cause an earthquake that moves a mountain, or walk on water, etc. If they could, that would be like using the power of the devil.... We have to give Heavenly Father the credit because it's really him that does it all. 3nodding
PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 3:21 pm


Sorry sweatdrop I didn't see someone already commented on the alien thing....

Faeridil


Mahonri Moriancumer

PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:28 am


Faeridil
It is said that with a mustardseed's worth of faith, we can move mountains. Wecould do all that stuff, trouble is, people doubt. Not to offend anyone or anything, because I get caught up in the laws of nature too, but who are we as arrogant mortals to "decide" the laws of nature. What proof do we have that matter cannot be created, just because we can't. People doubt. Maybe if we had a mustard seed of faith we could create matter, though I don't think so (ha! proof! doubt!) since we are not perfected beings. Then again, maybe doubt is the reason we aren't perfected beings and need to yet be perfected. (okay, well that sounded crazy) We all have a veil over our eyes, remember?

I don't think that...excuse me i said that wrong.

I know that God doesn't create matter. It's one of his laws. He doesn't do it. everything has been here forever and it will stay here forever.
PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 5:44 pm


Kagen Williams
Alexguy
Maybe we can raise the dead. But i know for sure that we can't ressurect.
Wouldnt that be the same thing?


Lazarus was raised from the dead, and Jesus was resurrected. The difference is that Lazarus died again. But a resurrected body is a perfect immortal body, and won't die again.

red_headed


Tony Bartuc

PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 7:37 am


beautifuldream
Kagen Williams
Explain to me the resurrection of Lazarus and the healing of the Leapers in your train of thought.
Lazarus (the word) means helped of God, don't know if that helps you...but as to the parable, I would like to give my thoughts (read it last night) Basically the parable proves the existence of seprate kingdoms and the fact that you cannot travel back and forth between them, it also says that what you do on earth determines which kingdom you are placed into. As to the healing of the Leapers, Jesus Christ was helping them, I don't really understand what you mean by that...yeah. sweatdrop
I ment the person Lazarus. Lazarus' sister came to christ with faith and asked him to help her brother (Lazarus). I believe he has been murdered. Not sure. However Christ did raise him from the dead. Not sure where it is anymore to be honest. Although if you would like,when I get home I can go look it up.

Red Head
Blasted technical terminology. domokun To simple minds, if you are dead, then come alive again, whether you die again or not, you are resurrected from the dead and brought among the living again.

The term Resurrection means to be raised from the dead unto the living again. Resurrection unto Immortality is described by the same word (resurrection.) It all depends on the context it is used with.
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