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(I'd say you're welcome; sorry if I seemed rude before, no intention of it!)

It is not a potential human, it is a potential baby. It is an actual human life, separate from that of the mother's.

A zygote has its own DNA. It doesn't make a person, but it makes an individual human life. It is alive; it grows, metabolizes, all that jazz. By the end of the first trimester, it doesn't resemble a baby in only its potential to grow. It has all of its little organs in developement and everything is forming. Though it draws its resources from the mother, the embryo is actually taking those resources. If left to nature, a zygote that is not aborted or miscarried (I mean that in the natural sense, not induced, and a zygote isn't really miscarried but I mean throught the pregnancy when I say that) will be a baby. An egg will be an egg. If fertilized, it ceases to be an egg with potention but a human with actual life...it isn't part of the mother's body anymore, scientifically, even though it is in her. An egg does not grow. It does not have a heartbeat. It does not have a brain in development. All of these things a human has by week 4, only a third of the way through the first trimester.

The earliest point that you can be traced back to completely is when you were a zygote. Before then, you didn't exist. You were a potential; you did not exist. The combination to make you did, but it was only potential, not actual. Once you were a zygote, everything that can be attributed to genetics in terms of who you are - your sex, your race, your eye color, your hair color, basically your natural self without cultural interference - was there. It didn't exist until that point, though.

In this guild KP and the crew (myself and lyme are really the only active crew that I've noticed recently) try and keep things civil for everyone. One of my best friend's is pro-choice, if everyone in here sat and bashed choicers (not that we don't poke fun everyone once in awhile, but that's lighthearted fun. We're not sitting and calling all of them baby-killing whatevers) I wouldn't feel very welcome.

So basically as long as you remain the way you are (which is greatly appreciated by the way) you're more than welcome here. Even if you decide our views are not yours it wouldn't be very pro-life of us to turn away someone willing to listen and learn. It would be very counter-productive.

Now on to your question. This is a very common question I've seen used and because of that I used to same answer (oh the wonders of copy and paste) for each time I see it. So if you've seen it before, that's why;

A fertalized egg has its own [human] DNA, killing it is killing a seperate human entity.

1. DNA is what makes you different from every one else. That seems pretty universally known. The fetus is attached to the mother, yes. It is still something different, else it would have the mothers DNA.

2. An entity is relevant because it shows that there is a difference between, say, removing a tooth and having an abortion.

3. Sperm has the potential to become a potential baby. A fetus is human (Personhood is debated, but hasn't been applied in this debate.) and is alive. Basic biology proves that fact. So it is a potential baby, not a potential human or a potential life as it is already both of those.

Also sperm itself has no potential to become anything, it's not until you intervene and merge it with an egg that is has any potential. A sperm left to its own devices will remain sperm. A fertalized egg left to its own divices will either miscarry or become a baby.

Every living thing needs certain living conditions in order to continue life. Otherwise they would die. When put in these conditions they will carry on living, when taken out of these conditions they would die. This doesn't change the fact that left to their own devices, within those conditions they would continue living.

There are some odd people in the world.

I've met people who are prochoice who consider people who are prolife to be worth beating up.

I've gotten lots of hate mail, as I"m sure people who are prochoice get hatemail too. I was told that prolife women shouldn't be allowed to vote and shouldn't be allowed to reproduce so they don't taint the minds of their children.

There are bad apples in every bushel. That was concerning the God quote.

Twins have different fingerprints. They are unique and distinguishable from eachother. They also have separate cerebral cortex fold patterns, I believe, though I"m not 100% sure. Even if they were identical in all aspects...

DNA is only the first step. Once you've proven it is separate, however, you don't need to go any further to prove it.

Are identical twins the same person?

Different DNA: no.
Different personalities: yes.

Sorta like....

Is that person a Christian?

Wears a cross: no.
Celebrates lent: no.
Believes Jesus is God's son, our Savior: yes.

Even though the first two we no's, the third was a yes, and the third is a quality that can determine whether or not you are a Christian, regardless of the other two answers.

I didn't say they should stop funding abortions; I said they should redirect it. It's the same amount of money but it should go to the same cause without killing people. I don't like paying taxes knowing that I'm helping kill people who did nothing to deserve death.

Rape only accounts for 1% of abortions done in the US. Should it be okay legally? It never will be okay to deny her that abortion, legally, I believe. Personally, I feel that killing the child will only make it emotionally harder on most women, but that's because they're letting their rapists turn them into killers and the rapists have power over them once again.

You're the first person I've heard that idea come from. I'm not arguing you or anything. I'm genuinely curious to know why you think that? I think I have an idea of what you mean...I just want to see if I'm right. XD

I've been wanting to ask for days but never got around to posting. razz

Hello mako_streak and welcome to the pro-life guild!
First of all I want to say there is nothing wrong with being a fence sitter trying to get perspectives on your views on abortion, it was the same way with me for a while. I can also understand you not wanting to get our views from a christian perspective. The basis of the pro-life movement is that everbody deserves a chance at life, and that no other human being should be able to take anyone else's life away. An unwanted pregnancy may be hard on a woman, but that does not give her the choice between life and death for another human being. As for women who have been raped, I strongly sympathize with them and hope for the best for them, but I still do not condone abortion in thier cases. A better alternative for rape victims would be the morning after pill or something like that. As for abortion for population control, there are much better methods than killing people. There is contraception, abstinance, and better education about sex in order to combat overpopulation. I hope that I've helped.