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 Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 11:11 am
I just really don't cound avitar editing as art. I dont count pixel "art" as art. To me, it's cheeting. It takes me about zero effort to make. I don't know about you peoples.
I don't know. It's just that you start the piece with a frame, and color it. There is a reason you are not allowed to sell it on gaia.
Sorry to be so harsh? I didn't mean for it to come off like that. I was having a bad... life.
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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 11:24 am
Parade I just really don't cound avitar editing as art. I dont count pixel "art" as art. To me, it's cheeting. It takes me about zero effort to make. I don't know about you peoples. I don't know. It's just that you start the piece with a frame, and color it. There is a reason you are not allowed to sell it on gaia. Sorry to be so harsh? I didn't mean for it to come off like that. I was having a bad... life. as an 'artist', i have to say i don't give a s**t about "what's art". you spend too much time arguing about Is Truth Beauty and Is CG Cheating and you don't get anything done. you know that the Impressionist movement happened because people thought that photography was "cheating" and would replace "real art"? avatar editing doesn't have to be art. it's fun, it doesn't have to take hours, the results can be pleasing to the eye. pixel art, which is different from avatar editing, can be just as lovely/thought-provoking/whatnot as art in any other medium and like any other medium it all depends on the subject matter and who's doin' it. and if it takes you zero effort to do that, well- prove it.
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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 11:56 am
Pixel art seems to be similar to a CG mosaic. Mosaics are generally considered to be art. But as Plonky said, it's a time-waster of an argument; people will always see different forms of art differently.
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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 5:34 pm
Parade I just really don't cound avitar editing as art. I dont count pixel "art" as art. To me, it's cheeting. It takes me about zero effort to make. I don't know about you peoples. I don't know. It's just that you start the piece with a frame, and color it. There is a reason you are not allowed to sell it on gaia. Sorry to be so harsh? I didn't mean for it to come off like that. I was having a bad... life. You have every right to express your opinion. This isn't the rest of Gaia. I won't bite your face off for it. But I would appreciate it if you were more clear about it in the future. I would like to say that avatar editing's actually pretty hard to do well; most people are HORRIBLE at it, and once you've gotten past the base part, creating clothes and parts for avatars is just about the same as drawing clothes onto things you yourself created the base for. I'm not saying it's legitimately original, but I do allow pixel art to be posted in the AFG, and so I feel avatar art is alright to post as well. Feel free to dislike it as much as you want. Feel free to let people know. As long as you don't get surprised if people argue back with more than "u dun understand is my art!!!!!!!!!!!!!." This isn't Picture Post, the AFGers can bite.
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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 11:32 pm
Plonky the Wondercat Parade I just really don't cound avitar editing as art. I dont count pixel "art" as art. To me, it's cheeting. It takes me about zero effort to make. I don't know about you peoples. I don't know. It's just that you start the piece with a frame, and color it. There is a reason you are not allowed to sell it on gaia. Sorry to be so harsh? I didn't mean for it to come off like that. I was having a bad... life. as an 'artist', i have to say i don't give a s**t about "what's art". you spend too much time arguing about Is Truth Beauty and Is CG Cheating and you don't get anything done. you know that the Impressionist movement happened because people thought that photography was "cheating" and would replace "real art"? avatar editing doesn't have to be art. it's fun, it doesn't have to take hours, the results can be pleasing to the eye. pixel art, which is different from avatar editing, can be just as lovely/thought-provoking/whatnot as art in any other medium and like any other medium it all depends on the subject matter and who's doin' it. and if it takes you zero effort to do that, well- prove it. You almost had a point. It scared me. Okay. So I won't count the avitar edit as art... as you asked. Instead I will look at it as a fun activity. Like you asked me to. And I will not bother to give ANY c+c because it's not art. And as an artist how am I to crit somthing thats not art, in a way that matters. You want me to make something that I cannot like? Avitar crap? Well I won't. Because when I create somthing, I try to make it somthing thats good to look at. I don't think you can make an avi edit worth looking at. So who should I waste my time? Not to sound snooty :[
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Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 9:17 am
Parade Plonky the Wondercat Parade I just really don't cound avitar editing as art. I dont count pixel "art" as art. To me, it's cheeting. It takes me about zero effort to make. I don't know about you peoples. I don't know. It's just that you start the piece with a frame, and color it. There is a reason you are not allowed to sell it on gaia. Sorry to be so harsh? I didn't mean for it to come off like that. I was having a bad... life. as an 'artist', i have to say i don't give a s**t about "what's art". you spend too much time arguing about Is Truth Beauty and Is CG Cheating and you don't get anything done. you know that the Impressionist movement happened because people thought that photography was "cheating" and would replace "real art"? avatar editing doesn't have to be art. it's fun, it doesn't have to take hours, the results can be pleasing to the eye. pixel art, which is different from avatar editing, can be just as lovely/thought-provoking/whatnot as art in any other medium and like any other medium it all depends on the subject matter and who's doin' it. and if it takes you zero effort to do that, well- prove it. You almost had a point. It scared me. Okay. So I won't count the avitar edit as art... as you asked. Instead I will look at it as a fun activity. Like you asked me to. And I will not bother to give ANY c+c because it's not art. And as an artist how am I to crit somthing thats not art, in a way that matters. You want me to make something that I cannot like? Avitar crap? Well I won't. Because when I create somthing, I try to make it somthing thats good to look at. I don't think you can make an avi edit worth looking at. So who should I waste my time? Not to sound snooty :[ Psytoasty (you probably don't remember him, he was a Guild Crewman) was a hell of a lot snootier. ... He was also a better artist than anybody currently active in the guild, however. I can't remember what your art looks like, so I can't accurately determine whether or not you have grown, as they say, "too big for your britches". You do seem to have an awfully sore spot regarding pixel art and avatar edits and avatar art, which is unfortunate, I guess. It seems such a silly thing to get agressive about.
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Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 2:08 pm
The Iconoclast Parade Plonky the Wondercat Parade I just really don''t cound avitar editing as art. I dont count pixel "art" as art. To me, it''s cheeting. It takes me about zero effort to make. I don''t know about you peoples. I don''t know. It''s just that you start the piece with a frame, and color it. There is a reason you are not allowed to sell it on gaia. Sorry to be so harsh? I didn''t mean for it to come off like that. I was having a bad... life. as an ''artist'', i have to say i don''t give a s**t about "what''s art". you spend too much time arguing about Is Truth Beauty and Is CG Cheating and you don''t get anything done. you know that the Impressionist movement happened because people thought that photography was "cheating" and would replace "real art"? avatar editing doesn''t have to be art. it''s fun, it doesn''t have to take hours, the results can be pleasing to the eye. pixel art, which is different from avatar editing, can be just as lovely/thought-provoking/whatnot as art in any other medium and like any other medium it all depends on the subject matter and who''s doin'' it. and if it takes you zero effort to do that, well- prove it. You almost had a point. It scared me. Okay. So I won''t count the avitar edit as art... as you asked. Instead I will look at it as a fun activity. Like you asked me to. And I will not bother to give ANY c+c because it''s not art. And as an artist how am I to crit somthing thats not art, in a way that matters. You want me to make something that I cannot like? Avitar crap? Well I won''t. Because when I create somthing, I try to make it somthing thats good to look at. I don''t think you can make an avi edit worth looking at. So who should I waste my time? Not to sound snooty :[ Psytoasty (you probably don''t remember him, he was a Guild Crewman) was a hell of a lot snootier. ... He was also a better artist than anybody currently active in the guild, however. I can''t remember what your art looks like, so I can''t accurately determine whether or not you have grown, as they say, "too big for your britches". You do seem to have an awfully sore spot regarding pixel art and avatar edits and avatar art, which is unfortunate, I guess. It seems such a silly thing to get agressive about. i'm inclined to vote for the "too big for your britches" option, but maybe that's just me. it's probably because Parade apparently didn't read a single thing i said except key words like "avatar" and "art". i didn't ask you anything. i did not ask you to make something that you "cannot like". i didn't ask you not to count avatar editing as art. i didn't ask you to be childish, either, but two can play at that game. what i suggested is that if it really takes you zero effort in your own words to make a piece of pixel art- which i think we've already clarified more than once is different from avatar editing- then you're opening yourself up to a challenge. which you backed down from. so maybe it is best if you don't leave any criticism in posts containing avatar art, since all you'll do is grouse and whitter about how "avitar crap isn't art." which is not criticism, or helpful or impressive in any way.
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:32 am
Plonky the Wondercat The Iconoclast Parade Plonky the Wondercat Parade I just really don''t cound avitar editing as art. I dont count pixel "art" as art. To me, it''s cheeting. It takes me about zero effort to make. I don''t know about you peoples. I don''t know. It''s just that you start the piece with a frame, and color it. There is a reason you are not allowed to sell it on gaia. Sorry to be so harsh? I didn''t mean for it to come off like that. I was having a bad... life. as an ''artist'', i have to say i don''t give a s**t about "what''s art". you spend too much time arguing about Is Truth Beauty and Is CG Cheating and you don''t get anything done. you know that the Impressionist movement happened because people thought that photography was "cheating" and would replace "real art"? avatar editing doesn''t have to be art. it''s fun, it doesn''t have to take hours, the results can be pleasing to the eye. pixel art, which is different from avatar editing, can be just as lovely/thought-provoking/whatnot as art in any other medium and like any other medium it all depends on the subject matter and who''s doin'' it. and if it takes you zero effort to do that, well- prove it. You almost had a point. It scared me. Okay. So I won''t count the avitar edit as art... as you asked. Instead I will look at it as a fun activity. Like you asked me to. And I will not bother to give ANY c+c because it''s not art. And as an artist how am I to crit somthing thats not art, in a way that matters. You want me to make something that I cannot like? Avitar crap? Well I won''t. Because when I create somthing, I try to make it somthing thats good to look at. I don''t think you can make an avi edit worth looking at. So who should I waste my time? Not to sound snooty :[ Psytoasty (you probably don''t remember him, he was a Guild Crewman) was a hell of a lot snootier. ... He was also a better artist than anybody currently active in the guild, however. I can''t remember what your art looks like, so I can''t accurately determine whether or not you have grown, as they say, "too big for your britches". You do seem to have an awfully sore spot regarding pixel art and avatar edits and avatar art, which is unfortunate, I guess. It seems such a silly thing to get agressive about. i'm inclined to vote for the "too big for your britches" option, but maybe that's just me. it's probably because Parade apparently didn't read a single thing i said except key words like "avatar" and "art". i didn't ask you anything. i did not ask you to make something that you "cannot like". i didn't ask you not to count avatar editing as art. i didn't ask you to be childish, either, but two can play at that game. what i suggested is that if it really takes you zero effort in your own words to make a piece of pixel art- which i think we've already clarified more than once is different from avatar editing- then you're opening yourself up to a challenge. which you backed down from. so maybe it is best if you don't leave any criticism in posts containing avatar art, since all you'll do is grouse and whitter about how "avitar crap isn't art." which is not criticism, or helpful or impressive in any way. Do you like abstract art? Let's say, for the sake of this conversation, you don't. Would you make art in a medium you don't enjoy? Would you feel free to point out the fact you don't like abstract art, and the reasons? If people shat a turtle everytime you poointed out that you do not like abstract art, even though you fell completely 'in the right', would you bother to defend yourself? You are not the smartest light-bulb in the cookie-jar.
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 1:13 pm
Parade Plonky the Wondercat The Iconoclast Parade Plonky the Wondercat Parade I just really don''t cound avitar editing as art. I dont count pixel "art" as art. To me, it''s cheeting. It takes me about zero effort to make. I don''t know about you peoples. I don''t know. It''s just that you start the piece with a frame, and color it. There is a reason you are not allowed to sell it on gaia. Sorry to be so harsh? I didn''t mean for it to come off like that. I was having a bad... life. as an ''artist'', i have to say i don''t give a s**t about "what''s art". you spend too much time arguing about Is Truth Beauty and Is CG Cheating and you don''t get anything done. you know that the Impressionist movement happened because people thought that photography was "cheating" and would replace "real art"? avatar editing doesn''t have to be art. it''s fun, it doesn''t have to take hours, the results can be pleasing to the eye. pixel art, which is different from avatar editing, can be just as lovely/thought-provoking/whatnot as art in any other medium and like any other medium it all depends on the subject matter and who''s doin'' it. and if it takes you zero effort to do that, well- prove it. You almost had a point. It scared me. Okay. So I won''t count the avitar edit as art... as you asked. Instead I will look at it as a fun activity. Like you asked me to. And I will not bother to give ANY c+c because it''s not art. And as an artist how am I to crit somthing thats not art, in a way that matters. You want me to make something that I cannot like? Avitar crap? Well I won''t. Because when I create somthing, I try to make it somthing thats good to look at. I don''t think you can make an avi edit worth looking at. So who should I waste my time? Not to sound snooty :[ Psytoasty (you probably don''t remember him, he was a Guild Crewman) was a hell of a lot snootier. ... He was also a better artist than anybody currently active in the guild, however. I can''t remember what your art looks like, so I can''t accurately determine whether or not you have grown, as they say, "too big for your britches". You do seem to have an awfully sore spot regarding pixel art and avatar edits and avatar art, which is unfortunate, I guess. It seems such a silly thing to get agressive about. i'm inclined to vote for the "too big for your britches" option, but maybe that's just me. it's probably because Parade apparently didn't read a single thing i said except key words like "avatar" and "art". i didn't ask you anything. i did not ask you to make something that you "cannot like". i didn't ask you not to count avatar editing as art. i didn't ask you to be childish, either, but two can play at that game. what i suggested is that if it really takes you zero effort in your own words to make a piece of pixel art- which i think we've already clarified more than once is different from avatar editing- then you're opening yourself up to a challenge. which you backed down from. so maybe it is best if you don't leave any criticism in posts containing avatar art, since all you'll do is grouse and whitter about how "avitar crap isn't art." which is not criticism, or helpful or impressive in any way. Do you like abstract art? Let's say, for the sake of this conversation, you don't. Would you make art in a medium you don't enjoy? Would you feel free to point out the fact you don't like abstract art, and the reasons? If people shat a turtle everytime you poointed out that you do not like abstract art, even though you fell completely 'in the right', would you bother to defend yourself? You are not the smartest light-bulb in the cookie-jar. generally when people feel completely "in the right" they're not. there is no "in the right." this is not about whether or not you like pixel art. you could enjoy eating paint and looking up dolls' skirts for all i care and i would not thee judge. what you continue to ignore and then insult me for was absolutely nothing more than calling you on the fact that you claim that it takes you zero effort, and if it takes zero effort it won't hurt you or your goddamn ego to demonstrate how pointless, boring, and easy it is to do. and if you do it, and it really does take you zero effort to do, well, that would prove me wrong, wouldn't it? but you're not going to, are you? and the internet is the most ridiculous place ever to bluff, because it's so easy. i love the internet. really, i do. it doesn't matter how many times you've said something because people can just skip that sentence and ignore it or, worse, claim it never got said. you draw ninjas. get off your high horse.
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 1:51 pm
okay. no. no no, look. this is all wrong.
i really can't ask you to prove to me that pixel art is easy for you.
because as you've shown from that... display, you wouldn't take it seriously- because if you did take it as a serious challenge, and if you do have the technical skill and creative eye for it, and if it was easy and not a problem at all then you'd have created something worth looking at at the very least and therefore you'd prove yourself wrong because you don't think it's possible for pixel art to be even worth considering, and therefore you'd be proving yourself wrong.
so ******** it. i don't care. but my previous statement about ninjas still stands.
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:41 pm
Okay... okay. I draw ninjas.... twice.
Now let me lay it out for you. I do not agree with People drawing over an avitar, and calling it art. I do agree with people creating art in there MS paint grid thing.
I don''t care that you make art with pixels. I care when people put wings on an avitar and call it art. This wasn''t a good example of somthing to flip out at, and I just did that because I wasn''t having a good day. Thats not a good reason to fight with people.
I am sorry for over reacting?
I will just stop posting crap in avi edit threads.
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 5:32 pm
OUCH xd
hmm maybe i'm not one to speak up at this point, mainly cause i have a feeling i'll be showered with an onslaught of "shut up"...
I understand that Parade has every right to critque other peoples art and is probably good at it, but he seems to dislike 'anime' art as much as he seems to 'avatar edits'... Funny thing is, 'anime' art is all i ever really learned how to draw, since i was like 4 or 5... i was exposed to it all my life in one form or another. Unlike some people ( Who'm i have NOTHING against ), I'm not following a fad or anything... just doing what i always did, tryign to develop my skills more, and hoping to be better at what i do... i like being exposed to alot of different styles of so-called 'anime' art... but i'll tell you straight out, i'm much more of a manga fan... sorry done with my comments sweatdrop
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