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As far as I know, both Aeris and Tifa are chasing after him, it's just that one seems more intent then the other on actually getting him (Which shows how much she really cares). Yeah, Tifa (his light) is chasing after him because he's stupidly trying to fight his darkness without his light... Sounds like typical Cloud to me.

This quote doesn't say that Cloud's purposely running away from "Tifa". No where does it say that he's trying hard to get away from her or that he's running from his light.

Post the link where you got this from...

Aeris might be quiet about it but that doesn't mean that she isn't chasing him too. Aeris just chases Cloud differently then Tifa.

As far as Tifa punching walls breaking stuff... I have never seen Tifa 'break' anything and to be honest she's doing a hell of lot more then Aeris, who just sits there waiting like an idiot. Tifa shows that she's willing to do what ever it takes to help Cloud. That shows intent. What does Aeris show? "Oh I'll just sit here and wait for him." That really doesn't say much to me at all.

Oh, and Cloud running after hearing Tifa call him??? When was this???

AND FOR THE LAST TIME POST THE LINK WHERE YOU GOT THE QUOTE FROM!!!

I want to know where you got this quote

Has anyone considered the option that Cloud was afraid that his light, (in this case Tifa), wouldn't be able to overcome his darkness, (Sephiroth). A lot of Cloud's actions are based off his fear of failing. In AC he didn't go help the children right away because he was afraid he wouldn't be able to save them like his mom, Tifa, Zack and Aeris. Just want to throw that option out there. stare

See that whole quote doesn't make any sense because it's extremely inconsistent.

Nojima: "Tifa wasn't planned to appear at first."

This is wrong since we have seen another quote saying that Tifa was supposed to be added to the first KH but that they didn't have enough disk space.

Nojima: "I was talking with Tetsu about what Cloud could be doing in Hollow Bastion, and we eventually moved towards him chasing after Sephiroth, but also being chased by something himself. So Cloud's really running from something but goes around pretending, saying that he's chasing Sephiroth."

Tifa isn't even mentioned in this whole sentence so Cleris saying that he's running from her is stupid. And if Cloud was trying so hard to run away from her then why did he return to Hollow Bastion where Tifa was? Gee that makes a lot of sense.

Nojima: "Then we decided to make it him running from the 'something warm' like what Tifa was after in FFVIIAC."



Yeah, if Tifa was after anything in AC it was her family. So does that mean Cloud is running away from Denzel, Marlean, and Tifa in KH2? I mean, that just sounds stupid. I will agree that Tifa was after her "family" not only Cloud in AC. So if thats what Cloud is running from then Denzel and Marlean would have to be in KH (which they aren't) So how much sense does that part of the quote make.

This quote doesn't even make a whole lot of sense. Personally I don't think Cloud really knew who his light was until Tifa gave him her light. Tifa however seemed to know the whole time. But thats just my opinion

However it still stands that this quote makes no sense whatsoever.

[Note to KDD: I wouldn't worry so much. sweatdrop Pink and RxH have been fighting since the FFVII guild. xd ]

Well....technically Cloud did run away from Tifa...when she called out to him, he was temporarily blinded by her light. Then Sephy disappears and Cloud runs off. Tifa JUST misses him. xd Though, for Cleris, it would appear that Cloud is running away because he's afraid of Tifa or just doesn't like her. To the actual connotation of the situation.....it's because Tifa's light is so bright, so warm, like what the quote said, that maybe it scares Cloud...maybe he's scared to have something warm since he's going on and on about himself having such darkness inside of him.

There's many speculations. He might feel that he's not good enough for Tifa. He really does care for her as you can see in the fight between Cloud and Sephiroth and Tifa is there in the corner. Also, when she goes to fight him and is blind from her light again, even though it's clearly distracting him, he screams out, "NO!" Though one can speculate their relationship in KH2, they hold a lot of meaning.

So, I don't find the quote Pink provided offensive or "made up". It makes a lot of sense. Though RxH...the part where "Tifa wasn't planned to appear at first" does seem a bit inconsistent actually. They did want her to appear in KH as a boss next to Sephiroth of course, but they had to cut her off. They probably didn't plan so far as to add her in KH2 yet. I don't know. *Shrugs*

I just can't understand how Cloud is trying to run away from Tifa if he ends up returning to the place where Tifa is looking for him? That's the part I don't get.

Yes this is all true. As Twindream stated its from KH Ultimania. I told you I wasnt lying. rolleyes

When did he return to Hollow Bastion? *hasnt played in awhile* And didnt he tell Aerith that he would come back? *whistle*

And this is the gist of it.
Basically Tifa was supposed to be added for battle purposes only but then they needed a reason for Cloud to say he's chasing after Sephiroth and that's where Tifa comes in. I'm not saying that Cloud is running away from Tifa, herself, but the light. Not his light but light in general. Let's see where I stand. ^__^


When Tifa approached Cloud, he backed away, covering his eyes, wincing just a tad when her light flashed here and then. Her light was purely white and extremely bright; one could say it symbolizes the purity of light.



On a closer look, Sephiroth’s statement does ring true. Cloud has gone too deep into the darkness to be able to embrace the light fully, and the scene in which Cloud is blinded by Tifa’s light is a symbol of that.

Perhaps Cloud knows the truth behind Sephiroth’s words too, because he doesn’t outright reject them. Instead, he responds with doubt and uncertainty. While he knows he won’t turn to darkness, he is not sure the light is for him either.

In this scene, you could say Sephiroth represents the darkness and Tifa represents the light. Nomura offers this interpretation as well:



Sephiroth and Tifa stand on two extremes of the spectrum. Sephiroth, the darkness; Tifa, the light. Notice how Nomura seems to de-personify her and calls her “not a regular kind of human being” in the sense that she serves more as a tool/symbol than as a separate character in her own right.

In that sense, she symbolizes pure, white light. She stands on the extreme end of the spectrum, and this is signaled by her conversation with Sephiroth:



To me, Tifa seems to be missing the point. Cloud can’t cast away the darkness, because it will always be a part of him. Neither can he can’t just ignore darkness and put a cover over it with light. Darkness will always be a part of every human being. It’s not about good vs. evil in the sense that the light should destroy darkness.

It’s about finding your light WITHIN the darkness. It’s about co-existing darkness with light, because the stronger the darkness, stronger the light (and visa versa). Because of this, light cannot survive without darkness and visa versa. This a theme emphasized over and over again in the Kingdom Hearts series.

But Tifa—as a being who represents the pureness of light—can’t understand this. Perhaps this is what Nomura meant when he said Tifa was “something different, who doesn't exist as a human being.” She is unable to comprehend the fact that the heart of a human being will always have light and darkness coexisting together.

Let’s go back to what Nojima said concerning Tifa in AC:



Yes, KHII is separate from AC, but like what Nomura had said about KH in relation to FFVII, it would answer some questions about the Compilation of FFVII series.

Could the fact that Tifa’s light is too bright for Cloud to handle and therefore, represents the pureness of light [KHII] be a reference to the fact that Tifa can’t understand the “complexities of his heart” [AC]? Not literally, of course, but on a symbolic level. Of course, these aren't the only factors; there are more as to why Tifa doesn't understand his heart...but that's another story.

Anyway, let’s go back to what Nojima said about Aerith:



Aerith, as a stable being who understands both light and darkness, would probably understand that Tifa’s suggestion to cover up the darkness with light wouldn’t work. Because Aerith can go to either if she wants to, she is able to realize that the light and darkness have a proportional relationship, and as a real human being herself, she knows it from experience as well.

This is why Aerith is compatible with Cloud, whose light is rather golden in color, as opposed to the pure white light of Tifa’s. Although Cloud can’t embrace the darkness fully, he can’t embrace the light completely either. To sum it up, he belongs to neither. Aerith, with a better understanding the darkness and the complexity of the relationship with light and darkness, would be a better candidate to help Cloud deal with the darkness within his heart. She can help find the light within himself while guiding him the way to balance the two out together.

You see, it’s not about destroying the darkness so much as finding the light within the darkness. Perhaps Cloud knows this too:



I find it very interesting that Nojima mentions that Cloud is pretending to chase Sephiroth. We all assume that Cloud “chasing” Sephiroth means to confront him and destroy him, who is his darkness. But maybe that’s not the point at all.

Maybe that’s why Aerith doesn’t accompany him to fight along his side in KHII. It’s about trying to balance out darkness with light, but to be able to that, first you must find the light within. She’s done that part for him, but chasing the darkness and destroying it permanently isn’t the solution, and she knows it. (So she waits, spiritually giving him strength like she has always done in FFVII and AC.)

Cloud’s battles with Sephiroth aren't survivor-esque duels to destroy each other. For Cloud, it’s a constant struggle to keep the balance between the two entities; to restore the balance, Cloud has to overcome the darkness inside himself. Perhaps Sephiroth can never be destroyed completely (Remember AC? “I will never be a mere memory…”) because he not only represents darkness to Cloud, but the darkness within Cloud as well. (In the "Showdown of Fates II," Sora refers to Sephiroth as the "darkness inside of [Cloud].") Which reminds me of a quote from Reunion Files:



Why?

Because if Sephiroth exists as his darkness then Aerith must exist as his light no? Light and darkness cannot exist without one another.

Please no yelling at me, this is just my opinion. If you dont agree let's be civil ok? ^__^