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 Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:44 am
Wings of Aegis That's pretty much what I believe, minus for the lulz...though that probably is an added bonus. xd I don't know. I think, at the core, our souls ARE all the same--they are made of the same substance coming from the same source. But at the same time, there are different types of souls. Think of it like a lump of clay; it's all still clay, even if you mold part of it into a dog-shape, and part of it into a human-shape. The clay is then solidified. The dog can't change itself into the human-shape, nor the other way around; the shape is permanent. You can stick the clay dog inside of a human costume, but inside it's still a dog. But it's still made of the same clay as the human figure. I suck at randomly creating metaphors. stare Why on Earth would a soul be affected by the vehicle it rides in? I don't see people who drive Fords unable to get into a Mercedes without scraping their scalp off on the roof.
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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:49 am
Joshua_Ritter Puts them in different bodies deliberately in order to teach em s**t they couldn't learn otherwise, and also for the lulz? This does happen. It's simple wheel of life. Being born into the plane of the animals instead of humans. But as is common Buddhist belief: the body is nothing but a vehicle for the soul, and souls do not retain memories. You could be two completely different people in two different lives that occur one after another. The body and soul are nothing but components in the cycle of life and death. Just like machines, a motor doesn't remember the previous contraption it was on. In the same way, you can use the same "part" of the soul in many different bodies to give them life. But that doesn't mean they bring with it memories of previous vehicles. The only thing it does bring from previous lives is karma. That's pretty much the embodiment of the soul. The karmic transporter between existences.
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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:34 pm
Blind Guardian the 2nd Wings of Aegis That's pretty much what I believe, minus for the lulz...though that probably is an added bonus. xd I don't know. I think, at the core, our souls ARE all the same--they are made of the same substance coming from the same source. But at the same time, there are different types of souls. Think of it like a lump of clay; it's all still clay, even if you mold part of it into a dog-shape, and part of it into a human-shape. The clay is then solidified. The dog can't change itself into the human-shape, nor the other way around; the shape is permanent. You can stick the clay dog inside of a human costume, but inside it's still a dog. But it's still made of the same clay as the human figure. I suck at randomly creating metaphors. stare Why on Earth would a soul be affected by the vehicle it rides in? I don't see people who drive Fords unable to get into a Mercedes without scraping their scalp off on the roof. Maybe I'm the only idiot who gets in a certain car drives around, gets in a different car and parks crooked, goes over the yellow line when turning, can't find the turn signal, and totally ******** up and almost die repeatedly until I drive the car for more than four times stressed And when being the passanger I almost always hit my head going in the car if I went into a different car within one week of the second car...
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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:46 pm
Blind Guardian the 2nd Joshua_Ritter Puts them in different bodies deliberately in order to teach em s**t they couldn't learn otherwise, and also for the lulz? This does happen. It's simple wheel of life. Being born into the plane of the animals instead of humans. But as is common Buddhist belief: the body is nothing but a vehicle for the soul, and souls do not retain memories. You could be two completely different people in two different lives that occur one after another. The body and soul are nothing but components in the cycle of life and death. Just like machines, a motor doesn't remember the previous contraption it was on. In the same way, you can use the same "part" of the soul in many different bodies to give them life. But that doesn't mean they bring with it memories of previous vehicles. The only thing it does bring from previous lives is karma. That's pretty much the embodiment of the soul. The karmic transporter between existences. I thought the soul inhabits the astral body and the astral body inhabits the physical body and so on... And that's why we can astral project and stuff. So, we have three sections of ourselves, all of them can be conscious. And when we astral project we keep our memories, when we dream (for the most part) we keep our memories. And... if people can perform divination and talk to the dead to get information on the physical plain, or the person's past life, how can a soul not retain memories? My friend astral projected and talked to his friend and found out she was dead, the next day he heard from other sources that his friend had died, but he already knew, because he talked to her the night before. It seems in order to get the feel for energy and appearence of the person she would retain something from the physical lifetime. And with so many cases of past life regression and otherkin, either a shitload of people are crazy or at least a few people are correct, they actually DO remember the past life. And what of the Dalai Lama? The tradition of the Dalai Lama roots from Buddhism. I'm seriously asking. Can you point out the blanks please and fill them in? sweatdrop
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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 2:11 pm
LoBo_23 I thought the soul inhabits the astral body and the astral body inhabits the physical body and so on... And that's why we can astral project and stuff. So, we have three sections of ourselves, all of them can be conscious. And when we astral project we keep our memories, when we dream (for the most part) we keep our memories. And... if people can perform divination and talk to the dead to get information on the physical plain, or the person's past life, how can a soul not retain memories? My friend astral projected and talked to his friend and found out she was dead, the next day he heard from other sources that his friend had died, but he already knew, because he talked to her the night before. It seems in order to get the feel for energy and appearence of the person she would retain something from the physical lifetime. And with so many cases of past life regression and otherkin, either a shitload of people are crazy or at least a few people are correct, they actually DO remember the past life. And what of the Dalai Lama? The tradition of the Dalai Lama roots from Buddhism. I'm seriously asking. Can you point out the blanks please and fill them in? sweatdrop The Dalai Lama is Tibetan Buddhism, which is a particular sect of Mahayana Buddhism. It's one of the only Buddhist sects that believes that some memories can be transfered between lives. Other sects of Buddhism don't. As for the Dalai Lama? I don't trust a religious man who has links with the CIA. I've never experienced astral projection, so until I have empirical evidence of it, I'm sorry, but I won't believe it. A ghost has to be a soul, does it? There's no evidence to suggest a ghost is nothing but a consciousness paying off a kharmic debt in the realm of the hungry ghosts and being attributed human characteristics by people seeing faces that they want to see. I can have vivid dreams about things, it doesn't make them true. To a Zen Buddhist, the best sleep is a dreamless sleep as it shows a stilled mind. Past life regression, to me, seems to be nothing more than a dream. The fact that more than half of people who claim to remember their past lives get nothing in the way of facts doesn't do much for my belief I'm afraid.
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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 2:26 pm
Blind Guardian the 2nd LoBo_23 I thought the soul inhabits the astral body and the astral body inhabits the physical body and so on... And that's why we can astral project and stuff. So, we have three sections of ourselves, all of them can be conscious. And when we astral project we keep our memories, when we dream (for the most part) we keep our memories. And... if people can perform divination and talk to the dead to get information on the physical plain, or the person's past life, how can a soul not retain memories? My friend astral projected and talked to his friend and found out she was dead, the next day he heard from other sources that his friend had died, but he already knew, because he talked to her the night before. It seems in order to get the feel for energy and appearence of the person she would retain something from the physical lifetime. And with so many cases of past life regression and otherkin, either a shitload of people are crazy or at least a few people are correct, they actually DO remember the past life. And what of the Dalai Lama? The tradition of the Dalai Lama roots from Buddhism. I'm seriously asking. Can you point out the blanks please and fill them in? sweatdrop The Dalai Lama is Tibetan Buddhism, which is a particular sect of Mahayana Buddhism. It's one of the only Buddhist sects that believes that some memories can be transfered between lives. Other sects of Buddhism don't. As for the Dalai Lama? I don't trust a religious man who has links with the CIA. I've never experienced astral projection, so until I have empirical evidence of it, I'm sorry, but I won't believe it. A ghost has to be a soul, does it? There's no evidence to suggest a ghost is nothing but a consciousness paying off a kharmic debt in the realm of the hungry ghosts and being attributed human characteristics by people seeing faces that they want to see. I can have vivid dreams about things, it doesn't make them true. To a Zen Buddhist, the best sleep is a dreamless sleep as it shows a stilled mind. Past life regression, to me, seems to be nothing more than a dream. The fact that more than half of people who claim to remember their past lives get nothing in the way of facts doesn't do much for my belief I'm afraid. All I can say is; thank you for a dose of healthy skeptecism and for a well thought out post. 3nodding
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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:44 pm
LoBo_23 All I can say is; thank you for a dose of healthy skeptecism and for a well thought out post. 3nodding Thanks. Although, I of course believe in SOME things. I just think that a lot of things regarding magick, psionics, souls etc. should be researched more before I believe them. 3nodding
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Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:23 pm
Blind Guardian the 2nd Wings of Aegis That's pretty much what I believe, minus for the lulz...though that probably is an added bonus. xd I don't know. I think, at the core, our souls ARE all the same--they are made of the same substance coming from the same source. But at the same time, there are different types of souls. Think of it like a lump of clay; it's all still clay, even if you mold part of it into a dog-shape, and part of it into a human-shape. The clay is then solidified. The dog can't change itself into the human-shape, nor the other way around; the shape is permanent. You can stick the clay dog inside of a human costume, but inside it's still a dog. But it's still made of the same clay as the human figure. I suck at randomly creating metaphors. stare Why on Earth would a soul be affected by the vehicle it rides in? I don't see people who drive Fords unable to get into a Mercedes without scraping their scalp off on the roof. I'm saying that the soul is already set *before* it's ever incarnated into a body. That a dog's soul is a dog's soul, before it ever is born into a physical shape. And yet, at the same time, all souls are made from the same substance. I do think our souls are affected by our vehicles. If I drove a Ford, getting into a Mercedes would take adjusting to, and I'd always have that experience of driving a Ford. But any permanent, long-standing, profound changes? Naw. So a person who says they're a wolf otherkin, would be a wolf's soul born into a human body. The human form would definitely affect them, but in the long run, those effects would wear thin and the wolf's soul would stay just that.
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Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 3:22 pm
Wings of Aegis I'm saying that the soul is already set *before* it's ever incarnated into a body. That a dog's soul is a dog's soul, before it ever is born into a physical shape. And yet, at the same time, all souls are made from the same substance. I do think our souls are affected by our vehicles. If I drove a Ford, getting into a Mercedes would take adjusting to, and I'd always have that experience of driving a Ford. But any permanent, long-standing, profound changes? Naw. So a person who says they're a wolf otherkin, would be a wolf's soul born into a human body. The human form would definitely affect them, but in the long run, those effects would wear thin and the wolf's soul would stay just that. If a soul is set, why in the hell would it change bodies? That's like saying that a dog's soul is a AAA battery, but a human soul is a AA, yet some retard is trying to cram them into the wrong slot. I really don't see how you can say that souls are segrated by species and INTENDED for a particular vessel, and then somehow the universe just ******** up and puts it in any old chamber like a useless trinket it wants to dispose of. It doesn't make sense. If souls are indeed intended for a certain destination, and the universe is intelligent enough to assign them qualities depending on their type of incarnation, then how in the ******** do they get lost in the postal service?
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Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:52 pm
Blind Guardian the 2nd Wings of Aegis I'm saying that the soul is already set *before* it's ever incarnated into a body. That a dog's soul is a dog's soul, before it ever is born into a physical shape. And yet, at the same time, all souls are made from the same substance. I do think our souls are affected by our vehicles. If I drove a Ford, getting into a Mercedes would take adjusting to, and I'd always have that experience of driving a Ford. But any permanent, long-standing, profound changes? Naw. So a person who says they're a wolf otherkin, would be a wolf's soul born into a human body. The human form would definitely affect them, but in the long run, those effects would wear thin and the wolf's soul would stay just that. If a soul is set, why in the hell would it change bodies? That's like saying that a dog's soul is a AAA battery, but a human soul is a AA, yet some retard is trying to cram them into the wrong slot. I really don't see how you can say that souls are segrated by species and INTENDED for a particular vessel, and then somehow the universe just ******** up and puts it in any old chamber like a useless trinket it wants to dispose of. It doesn't make sense. If souls are indeed intended for a certain destination, and the universe is intelligent enough to assign them qualities depending on their type of incarnation, then how in the ******** do they get lost in the postal service? Oh, nooooooo. I definitely don't think the universe messes up at all, that doesn't make any sense whatsoever to me. I think there are several reasons a soul would change bodies. Maybe they WANT to, maybe they want to experience something different. Also, I think some lessons are easier to learn here in certain forms. Although I don't agree with the idea, some people believe it's some form of punishment. Still others may be sent here with some sort of mission to do. The universe doesn't make mistakes, at least in my opinion.
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Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 6:53 pm
Wings of Aegis Oh, nooooooo. I definitely don't think the universe messes up at all, that doesn't make any sense whatsoever to me. I think there are several reasons a soul would change bodies. Maybe they WANT to, maybe they want to experience something different. Also, I think some lessons are easier to learn here in certain forms. Although I don't agree with the idea, some people believe it's some form of punishment. Still others may be sent here with some sort of mission to do. The universe doesn't make mistakes, at least in my opinion. If the universe doesn't make mistakes, then why would it produce souls compatible with only one body type? And I am terribly, terribly sorry, but you're anthropomorphising now. You're saying some lessons are easier to learn in a non-human form. Well how the hell are you supposed to learn lessons as an animal when complex language and problem solving are beyond you? As for me? Being an animal isn't necessarily a form of punishment, but beings that are animals are generally trapped in a cycle of negative karma. That's not to say that even Buddhas and Bosatsu have not been animals at one point. I myself will have surely been an animal once. The difference? While I know that I have not always been who I am now, I do not confuse myself with ideas that I remember who I once was. The body is nothing but a vehicle for the soul, brain and memories included. Anyway, the best description of how a Buddhist views reincarnation is one Buddha offered himself. Lighting one candle from the flame of another. Each flame is causually connected, but they are not the same flame. If anything, it's not even the same soul. Our previous soul lights the flame of our current soul. But it's a new candle, and a new fire.
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Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 7:55 pm
Obscurus In my view, a soul is put into a certain vessel to learn a lesson from physical reality, not because it's a "human soul" or a "cat soul" or what have you. Not to say that a soul can't take on characteristics of a previous vessel, but I don't think that a soul absolutely *is* a certain variety of soul. It's just a soul. Actually, I agree with you on the "learning a lesson from physical reality" argument... sweatdrop Blind Guardian the 2nd ... The fact that more than half of people who claim to remember their past lives get nothing in the way of facts doesn't do much for my belief I'm afraid. What about the other half?
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Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 4:37 am
aaarhus What about the other half? They "remember" singular details. Not their entire life.
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 2:14 pm
Blind Guardian the 2nd aaarhus What about the other half? They "remember" singular details. Not their entire life. I don't think they could possibly remember their entire life, I can't even remember the entire life I'm living now! Ususally they remember things that were very meaningfull or traumatic, like their death.
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 8:21 pm
Wings of Aegis Blind Guardian the 2nd Wings of Aegis That's pretty much what I believe, minus for the lulz...though that probably is an added bonus. xd I don't know. I think, at the core, our souls ARE all the same--they are made of the same substance coming from the same source. But at the same time, there are different types of souls. Think of it like a lump of clay; it's all still clay, even if you mold part of it into a dog-shape, and part of it into a human-shape. The clay is then solidified. The dog can't change itself into the human-shape, nor the other way around; the shape is permanent. You can stick the clay dog inside of a human costume, but inside it's still a dog. But it's still made of the same clay as the human figure. I suck at randomly creating metaphors. stare Why on Earth would a soul be affected by the vehicle it rides in? I don't see people who drive Fords unable to get into a Mercedes without scraping their scalp off on the roof. I'm saying that the soul is already set *before* it's ever incarnated into a body. That a dog's soul is a dog's soul, before it ever is born into a physical shape. And yet, at the same time, all souls are made from the same substance. I do think our souls are affected by our vehicles. If I drove a Ford, getting into a Mercedes would take adjusting to, and I'd always have that experience of driving a Ford. But any permanent, long-standing, profound changes? Naw. So a person who says they're a wolf otherkin, would be a wolf's soul born into a human body. The human form would definitely affect them, but in the long run, those effects would wear thin and the wolf's soul would stay just that. *agrees* Wings of Aegis Blind Guardian the 2nd Wings of Aegis I'm saying that the soul is already set *before* it's ever incarnated into a body. That a dog's soul is a dog's soul, before it ever is born into a physical shape. And yet, at the same time, all souls are made from the same substance. I do think our souls are affected by our vehicles. If I drove a Ford, getting into a Mercedes would take adjusting to, and I'd always have that experience of driving a Ford. But any permanent, long-standing, profound changes? Naw. So a person who says they're a wolf otherkin, would be a wolf's soul born into a human body. The human form would definitely affect them, but in the long run, those effects would wear thin and the wolf's soul would stay just that. If a soul is set, why in the hell would it change bodies? That's like saying that a dog's soul is a AAA battery, but a human soul is a AA, yet some retard is trying to cram them into the wrong slot. I really don't see how you can say that souls are segrated by species and INTENDED for a particular vessel, and then somehow the universe just ******** up and puts it in any old chamber like a useless trinket it wants to dispose of. It doesn't make sense. If souls are indeed intended for a certain destination, and the universe is intelligent enough to assign them qualities depending on their type of incarnation, then how in the ******** do they get lost in the postal service? Oh, nooooooo. I definitely don't think the universe messes up at all, that doesn't make any sense whatsoever to me. The universe doesn't make mistakes, at least in my opinion. *disagrees* In my opinion, nothing at all is perfect, everything is capable of failure and mistakes.
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