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 Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 1:13 pm
The Leninator! Sith_Master_Steve The Leninator! all the socialist and communist and anarchist parties in the nation (quite a lot) If there are supposivly alot of Socialist, and Anarchist parties; Then how come I do not see them on the ballot? I never said any of them were good. There are lots, the RCP, ISO, SWP, IWW, CPUSA, SPLJ, and more. There are tons of parties, each off which with few members, and most of them refuse to deal with electoral politics and are filled with middle class coffee shop revolutionaries, and they constantly fight each other. Plus, most communists in the country are like me- pissed off because all of the parties suck and we don't deal with them and just try and convert others to communism and have things like reading groups. I Don't see them on the Ballot! They aren't too big, and they never will be. The CPUSA, has an impressive 15,000 members. Source If they were to run both parties would immediately crush them. The Electoral College would screw them over. They will not receive/raise enough money as the other two major parties. They can not campaign as well as the two major parties, with lack of funds. Besides the point you guys are a political minority in the United States. Compared to the major parties, and other third parties (libertarians, Greens, reform) TheLeninator! Sith_Master_Steve thenerdqueen Side note: Read Lies My Teacher Told Me, if you have time. Although it is biased against the textbook corporation, it still is very interesting (with many citations to prove its validity). Yes, it deals with this subject in it. A book about inaccuracies in text books? Exciting Stuff there! Don't be a douche dude, read the damn book or don't, don't insult it until you've at least looked at it. I previewed it on Amazon, I skimmed it in the Library! Read Reviews. That's really all it discusses. what I said above. You see when a group of Professors, or Professor revises a text book from a previous edition, some things become inaccurate. To re-sell the text books to maybe add, new finds. But, to Re-sell it bylaw they have to re-word the book. They usually hire their students to do the re-writing, and thus you inaccuracies.
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 8:02 pm
Sith_Master_Steve The Leninator! Sith_Master_Steve The Leninator! all the socialist and communist and anarchist parties in the nation (quite a lot) If there are supposivly alot of Socialist, and Anarchist parties; Then how come I do not see them on the ballot? I never said any of them were good. There are lots, the RCP, ISO, SWP, IWW, CPUSA, SPLJ, and more. There are tons of parties, each off which with few members, and most of them refuse to deal with electoral politics and are filled with middle class coffee shop revolutionaries, and they constantly fight each other. Plus, most communists in the country are like me- pissed off because all of the parties suck and we don't deal with them and just try and convert others to communism and have things like reading groups. I Don't see them on the Ballot! They aren't too big, and they never will be. The CPUSA, has an impressive 15,000 members. Source If they were to run both parties would immediately crush them. The Electoral College would screw them over. They will not receive/raise enough money as the other two major parties. They can not campaign as well as the two major parties, with lack of funds. Besides the point you guys are a political minority in the United States. Compared to the major parties, and other third parties (libertarians, Greens, reform) TheLeninator! Sith_Master_Steve thenerdqueen Side note: Read Lies My Teacher Told Me, if you have time. Although it is biased against the textbook corporation, it still is very interesting (with many citations to prove its validity). Yes, it deals with this subject in it. A book about inaccuracies in text books? Exciting Stuff there! Don't be a douche dude, read the damn book or don't, don't insult it until you've at least looked at it. I previewed it on Amazon, I skimmed it in the Library! Read Reviews. That's really all it discusses. what I said above. You see when a group of Professors, or Professor revises a text book from a previous edition, some things become inaccurate. To re-sell the text books to maybe add, new finds. But, to Re-sell it bylaw they have to re-word the book. They usually hire their students to do the re-writing, and thus you inaccuracies. How is what you said about the communist parties different then what I said? They're all small and shitty, and we are a minority because of the mass framings, deportations, and executions of communists in the 20s, 30s, 40s, and 50s, and because of the CPUSA's decision to support Stalin (b*****d) and because of the massive smear campaign of the capitalists against us. We're gaining rank though, and the other parties are losing it, and us being a minority doesn't make us wrong. We aren't on the ballot because of a lot of things, but I don't think any third political group will ever be on the ballot and actually get a significant amount of votes. However, if you look world wide, communist groups are growing. There is massive amounts of support for Castro in Cuba (I have friends who've been there and told me this, and I know several Cuban immigrants), Chavez has a majority of Venezuala's support, Vietnam and India have huge communist parties, as does Germany, France, and other European countries. Communism is a growing cause, especially in poor parts of the world like South America, Asia, and Africa (Nelson Mandela was a known socialist).
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:08 pm
The Leninator! Sith_Master_Steve The Leninator! Sith_Master_Steve The Leninator! all the socialist and communist and anarchist parties in the nation (quite a lot) If there are supposivly alot of Socialist, and Anarchist parties; Then how come I do not see them on the ballot? I never said any of them were good. There are lots, the RCP, ISO, SWP, IWW, CPUSA, SPLJ, and more. There are tons of parties, each off which with few members, and most of them refuse to deal with electoral politics and are filled with middle class coffee shop revolutionaries, and they constantly fight each other. Plus, most communists in the country are like me- pissed off because all of the parties suck and we don't deal with them and just try and convert others to communism and have things like reading groups. I Don't see them on the Ballot! They aren't too big, and they never will be. The CPUSA, has an impressive 15,000 members. Source If they were to run both parties would immediately crush them. The Electoral College would screw them over. They will not receive/raise enough money as the other two major parties. They can not campaign as well as the two major parties, with lack of funds. Besides the point you guys are a political minority in the United States. Compared to the major parties, and other third parties (libertarians, Greens, reform) TheLeninator! Sith_Master_Steve thenerdqueen Side note: Read Lies My Teacher Told Me, if you have time. Although it is biased against the textbook corporation, it still is very interesting (with many citations to prove its validity). Yes, it deals with this subject in it. A book about inaccuracies in text books? Exciting Stuff there! Don't be a douche dude, read the damn book or don't, don't insult it until you've at least looked at it. I previewed it on Amazon, I skimmed it in the Library! Read Reviews. That's really all it discusses. what I said above. You see when a group of Professors, or Professor revises a text book from a previous edition, some things become inaccurate. To re-sell the text books to maybe add, new finds. But, to Re-sell it bylaw they have to re-word the book. They usually hire their students to do the re-writing, and thus you inaccuracies. How is what you said about the communist parties different then what I said? They're all small and shitty, and we are a minority because of the mass framings, deportations, and executions of communists in the 20s, 30s, 40s, and 50s, and because of the CPUSA's decision to support Stalin (b*****d) and because of the massive smear campaign of the capitalists against us. We're gaining rank though, and the other parties are losing it, and us being a minority doesn't make us wrong. We aren't on the ballot because of a lot of things, but I don't think any third political group will ever be on the ballot and actually get a significant amount of votes. Among Other things.... The Leninator! However, if you look world wide, communist groups are growing. There is massive amounts of support for Castro in Cuba (I have friends who've been there and told me this, and I know several Cuban immigrants), Chavez has a majority of Venezuala's support, Vietnam and India have huge communist parties, as does Germany, France, and other European countries. Communism is a growing cause, especially in poor parts of the world like South America, Asia, and Africa (Nelson Mandela was a known socialist). Yeah, But I was only talking about The United States of America. I could Really Careless anywhere else. Also, Germany, their Communist Party got an impressive 0.3% in the 2005 General Election. SourceI highly doubt it's really that big in Germany. Seeing how The soviets treated the East Germans like s**t after WWII - 'till 1990.
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:32 pm
Sith_Master_Steve The Leninator! Sith_Master_Steve The Leninator! Sith_Master_Steve If there are supposivly alot of Socialist, and Anarchist parties; Then how come I do not see them on the ballot? I never said any of them were good. There are lots, the RCP, ISO, SWP, IWW, CPUSA, SPLJ, and more. There are tons of parties, each off which with few members, and most of them refuse to deal with electoral politics and are filled with middle class coffee shop revolutionaries, and they constantly fight each other. Plus, most communists in the country are like me- pissed off because all of the parties suck and we don't deal with them and just try and convert others to communism and have things like reading groups. I Don't see them on the Ballot! They aren't too big, and they never will be. The CPUSA, has an impressive 15,000 members. Source If they were to run both parties would immediately crush them. The Electoral College would screw them over. They will not receive/raise enough money as the other two major parties. They can not campaign as well as the two major parties, with lack of funds. Besides the point you guys are a political minority in the United States. Compared to the major parties, and other third parties (libertarians, Greens, reform) TheLeninator! Sith_Master_Steve A book about inaccuracies in text books? Exciting Stuff there! Don't be a douche dude, read the damn book or don't, don't insult it until you've at least looked at it. I previewed it on Amazon, I skimmed it in the Library! Read Reviews. That's really all it discusses. what I said above. You see when a group of Professors, or Professor revises a text book from a previous edition, some things become inaccurate. To re-sell the text books to maybe add, new finds. But, to Re-sell it bylaw they have to re-word the book. They usually hire their students to do the re-writing, and thus you inaccuracies. How is what you said about the communist parties different then what I said? They're all small and shitty, and we are a minority because of the mass framings, deportations, and executions of communists in the 20s, 30s, 40s, and 50s, and because of the CPUSA's decision to support Stalin (b*****d) and because of the massive smear campaign of the capitalists against us. We're gaining rank though, and the other parties are losing it, and us being a minority doesn't make us wrong. We aren't on the ballot because of a lot of things, but I don't think any third political group will ever be on the ballot and actually get a significant amount of votes. Among Other things.... The Leninator! However, if you look world wide, communist groups are growing. There is massive amounts of support for Castro in Cuba (I have friends who've been there and told me this, and I know several Cuban immigrants), Chavez has a majority of Venezuala's support, Vietnam and India have huge communist parties, as does Germany, France, and other European countries. Communism is a growing cause, especially in poor parts of the world like South America, Asia, and Africa (Nelson Mandela was a known socialist). Yeah, But I was only talking about The United States of America. I could Really Careless anywhere else. Also, Germany, their Communist Party got an impressive 0.3% in the 2005 General Election. SourceI highly doubt it's really that big in Germany. Seeing how The soviets treated the East Germans like s**t after WWII - 'till 1990. Let me get this straight once and for all ok- I HATE THE USSR!!! I can't stress that enough, I think it all went to hell after Lenin died, and wasn't great while he was alive. I think Stalin and Kruschev were absolutly aweful leaders and did terrible things to a lot of people, and after Kruschev it basically became a State Capitalism. I may be wrong in Germany, I just heard from someone that they have some support, but I could be wrong. East Germany wasn't as terrible as the government tells you, not to say that it wasn't bad, but you can't say things were exactly good in West Germany either. You can't seriously be so Americentric to say that you don't care about the rest of the world just cause you only talked about the U.S. You can't just look at politics on a nation level, it has to be viewed on a world scale to really see the trends, and the trend is that as more and more people are disenfranchised by the system they either move to the right and become nazis or to the left and become socialists and communists, and more move to the left because the nazis won't accept minorities, who are the majority of the poor in this nation. The fact is that capitalism is pissing off too many people for its own good, and if you look around you'll see more and more people saying that neither party does jack s**t for them and it's not far from that to the realization that capitalism does jack s**t for them.
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 3:37 pm
^ And communism helps people how exactly? By making everyone poor and disenfranchised? By putting total power in the hands of a government (which is, somehow, perfectly efficient and non-corrupt) until people somehow overcome basic human instinct and stop being greedy/motivated/independent?
It's true that capitalism does nothing for some people. That's how capitalism works. You're supposed to do things for yourself, rather than dump all your problems on the government and pretend like they can handle it.
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 5:22 pm
What's that last paragraph supposed to mean? Let me edit it for you-
It's true that capitalism does nothing for most people. That's how capitalism works. You're supposed to do things for your boss, rather than work for the betterment of all society, and you're supposed to work a dead end factory job until you get too old to do it as well as a young person, at which point you're fired and forced to try and find other work or die.
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 6:49 pm
Leninator East Germany wasn't as terrible as the government tells you, not to say that it wasn't bad, but you can't say things were exactly good in West Germany either. Yeah Separating Families and friends, not Bad at all. You know, if I remember correctly alotta people tried like hell to get to the other side in West Germany. For an Example, when the Berlin Wall was constructed about 125 people were killed trying to escape to the West. However, a prominent victims' group claims that at least 1,245 people had been killed trying to flee East Germany. Plus the Communist regime gave explicit orders to shoot to kill attempted defectors, including children. East Germany was Great. To bad I Can't Vacation there sad Source 1Source two (Soviets Could Kill Escapees)Leninator You can't seriously be so Americentric to say that you don't care about the rest of the world just cause you only talked about the U.S. You can't just look at politics on a nation level, it has to be viewed on a world scale to really see the trends, and the trend is that as more and more people are disenfranchised by the system they either move to the right and become nazis or to the left and become socialists and communists, and more move to the left because the nazis won't accept minorities, who are the majority of the poor in this nation. The fact is that capitalism is pissing off too many people for its own good, and if you look around you'll see more and more people saying that neither party does jack s**t for them and it's not far from that to the realization that capitalism does jack s**t for them. Did I forget to Mention that I am a History, Political Science, and Geography Triple Major?(That's Right Kiddies 3 Majors!) I do study the trends through my Course of Studies. It's true I follow more American Politics than other Countries politics; because quite bluntly, how does the elections in Italy affect me Directly? Sure, maybe If I was planning on Vacationing in Italy it might, but I am no planning on it. Leninator It's true that capitalism does nothing for most people. That's how capitalism works. You're supposed to do things for your boss, rather than work for the betterment of all society, and you're supposed to work a dead end factory job until you get too old to do it as well as a young person, at which point you're fired and forced to try and find other work or die. Hey Leninator Think Fast! If Communism is so Great why is it that China is slowly becoming more capitalistic everyday?
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 8:48 pm
The Leninator! What's that last paragraph supposed to mean? Let me edit it for you- It's true that capitalism does nothing for most people. That's how capitalism works. You're supposed to do things for your boss, rather than work for the betterment of all society, and you're supposed to work a dead end factory job until you get too old to do it as well as a young person, at which point you're fired and forced to try and find other work or die. I see no problem here
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 9:59 pm
The Leninator! What's that last paragraph supposed to mean? Let me edit it for you- It's true that capitalism does nothing for most people. That's how capitalism works. You're supposed to do things for your boss, rather than work for the betterment of all society, and you're supposed to work a dead end factory job until you get too old to do it as well as a young person, at which point you're fired and forced to try and find other work or die. Tell that to Bill Gates, Frank Stronach, Steve Jobs, or any of the other millionaires who got their wealth through their own hard work and ingenuity. They weren't born with a sliver spoon in their mouth. Many of them were dirt poor until their efforts started to pay off. We aren't living in an aristocracy; we're living in a system where the "proletariats" can easily become "bourgeoisie" and vice versa. And I'm not even discussing the entertainment industry, which is full of too many rags-to-riches stories to mention here. I don't have much respect for Lenin and the other Bolshevik revolutionaries, but at least they were fighting against a system that prevented the poor from ever becoming rich. Your complaints about our system aren't nearly as valid as theirs. The worst elements of our system are still far better than pre-Communist Russia or China.
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 2:15 pm
invisibleairwaves The Leninator! What's that last paragraph supposed to mean? Let me edit it for you- It's true that capitalism does nothing for most people. That's how capitalism works. You're supposed to do things for your boss, rather than work for the betterment of all society, and you're supposed to work a dead end factory job until you get too old to do it as well as a young person, at which point you're fired and forced to try and find other work or die. Tell that to Bill Gates, Frank Stronach, Steve Jobs, or any of the other millionaires who got their wealth through their own hard work and ingenuity. They weren't born with a sliver spoon in their mouth. Many of them were dirt poor until their efforts started to pay off. We aren't living in an aristocracy; we're living in a system where the "proletariats" can easily become "bourgeoisie" and vice versa. And I'm not even discussing the entertainment industry, which is full of too many rags-to-riches stories to mention here. I don't have much respect for Lenin and the other Bolshevik revolutionaries, but at least they were fighting against a system that prevented the poor from ever becoming rich. Your complaints about our system aren't nearly as valid as theirs. The worst elements of our system are still far better than pre-Communist Russia or China. By no means am I saying that America is as bad as pre-soviet Russia or current China. But Lenin actually did talk about the capitalist system, as well and imperialism, monarchy, feudal systems, and theocracy. I will never be rich no matter what I do. If you can post here how I can become rich without just saying "hard work", then do so, please. The fact is this- people like Bill Gates did work hard, but luck also has a lot to do with it. It wasn't that Bill Gates made the first computer, but he did effective marketing during the right time period. And yes, he worked hard but that doesn't mean anyone can become as rich as Bill Gates, no one who works assembling computer parts for Microsoft will ever be as rich as Bill Gates, no matter how hard they work. I can give other such examples. And yes, the entertainment industry has a lot of rags to riches type stories, but in proportion to the amount of people without those stories, it's minute. I will concede the argument if you can cite over 17 million Americans who went from poverty to wealth in their lifetimes. I say 17 million because there are roughly 35 million people there are living in poverty (under $20,000 a year as income) in America, and most of them, if not all, will never be lifted from that poverty, no matter how hard they work (and over half of them work, hence the number). Hell, not even 1 million people have rags to riches stories. It's mostly luck doing that, and capitalism does provent the poor from becoming rich for the most part.
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:56 pm
The Leninator! invisibleairwaves The Leninator! What's that last paragraph supposed to mean? Let me edit it for you- It's true that capitalism does nothing for most people. That's how capitalism works. You're supposed to do things for your boss, rather than work for the betterment of all society, and you're supposed to work a dead end factory job until you get too old to do it as well as a young person, at which point you're fired and forced to try and find other work or die. Tell that to Bill Gates, Frank Stronach, Steve Jobs, or any of the other millionaires who got their wealth through their own hard work and ingenuity. They weren't born with a sliver spoon in their mouth. Many of them were dirt poor until their efforts started to pay off. We aren't living in an aristocracy; we're living in a system where the "proletariats" can easily become "bourgeoisie" and vice versa. And I'm not even discussing the entertainment industry, which is full of too many rags-to-riches stories to mention here. I don't have much respect for Lenin and the other Bolshevik revolutionaries, but at least they were fighting against a system that prevented the poor from ever becoming rich. Your complaints about our system aren't nearly as valid as theirs. The worst elements of our system are still far better than pre-Communist Russia or China. By no means am I saying that America is as bad as pre-soviet Russia or current China. But Lenin actually did talk about the capitalist system, as well and imperialism, monarchy, feudal systems, and theocracy. I will never be rich no matter what I do. If you can post here how I can become rich without just saying "hard work", then do so, please. The fact is this- people like Bill Gates did work hard, but luck also has a lot to do with it. It wasn't that Bill Gates made the first computer, but he did effective marketing during the right time period. And yes, he worked hard but that doesn't mean anyone can become as rich as Bill Gates, no one who works assembling computer parts for Microsoft will ever be as rich as Bill Gates, no matter how hard they work. I can give other such examples. And yes, the entertainment industry has a lot of rags to riches type stories, but in proportion to the amount of people without those stories, it's minute. I will concede the argument if you can cite over 17 million Americans who went from poverty to wealth in their lifetimes. I say 17 million because there are roughly 35 million people there are living in poverty (under $20,000 a year as income) in America, and most of them, if not all, will never be lifted from that poverty, no matter how hard they work (and over half of them work, hence the number). Hell, not even 1 million people have rags to riches stories. It's mostly luck doing that, and capitalism does provent the poor from becoming rich for the most part. 1. give up communism 2. finish high school then college 3. come up with a product that everyone will want 4. find someone with money who is interested in your idea
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Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:28 am
Jungle Soldier The Leninator! invisibleairwaves The Leninator! What's that last paragraph supposed to mean? Let me edit it for you- It's true that capitalism does nothing for most people. That's how capitalism works. You're supposed to do things for your boss, rather than work for the betterment of all society, and you're supposed to work a dead end factory job until you get too old to do it as well as a young person, at which point you're fired and forced to try and find other work or die. Tell that to Bill Gates, Frank Stronach, Steve Jobs, or any of the other millionaires who got their wealth through their own hard work and ingenuity. They weren't born with a sliver spoon in their mouth. Many of them were dirt poor until their efforts started to pay off. We aren't living in an aristocracy; we're living in a system where the "proletariats" can easily become "bourgeoisie" and vice versa. And I'm not even discussing the entertainment industry, which is full of too many rags-to-riches stories to mention here. I don't have much respect for Lenin and the other Bolshevik revolutionaries, but at least they were fighting against a system that prevented the poor from ever becoming rich. Your complaints about our system aren't nearly as valid as theirs. The worst elements of our system are still far better than pre-Communist Russia or China. By no means am I saying that America is as bad as pre-soviet Russia or current China. But Lenin actually did talk about the capitalist system, as well and imperialism, monarchy, feudal systems, and theocracy. I will never be rich no matter what I do. If you can post here how I can become rich without just saying "hard work", then do so, please. The fact is this- people like Bill Gates did work hard, but luck also has a lot to do with it. It wasn't that Bill Gates made the first computer, but he did effective marketing during the right time period. And yes, he worked hard but that doesn't mean anyone can become as rich as Bill Gates, no one who works assembling computer parts for Microsoft will ever be as rich as Bill Gates, no matter how hard they work. I can give other such examples. And yes, the entertainment industry has a lot of rags to riches type stories, but in proportion to the amount of people without those stories, it's minute. I will concede the argument if you can cite over 17 million Americans who went from poverty to wealth in their lifetimes. I say 17 million because there are roughly 35 million people there are living in poverty (under $20,000 a year as income) in America, and most of them, if not all, will never be lifted from that poverty, no matter how hard they work (and over half of them work, hence the number). Hell, not even 1 million people have rags to riches stories. It's mostly luck doing that, and capitalism does provent the poor from becoming rich for the most part. 1. give up communism 2. finish high school then college 3. come up with a product that everyone will want 4. find someone with money who is interested in your idea Imma gunna repeat myself Andrew Carnegie was from a poor immigrant family from Scotland. He worked his way up, and did jobs here and there. Example: In 1851, he became a telegraph messenger boy in the Pittsburgh Office of the Ohio Telegraph Company, at $2.50 per week. Every cent he had made, he invested it. These investments were in railroads, railroad sleeping cars, as well as bridges and oil derricks, and he built his wealth as a bond salesman raising money in Europe for American enterprises. He Created an Empire from Steel. And, He didn't come from a wealthy Family either. Look up John D. Rockefeller, J.P. Morgan, Henry Ford, Walt Disney, look up Carlos Slim Helú, the man who is richer than Bill Gates. Or, Ingvar Kamprad.
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Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:30 am
Thus far, I see a major heated argument, the type I try to aviod getting into. Nevertheless, I will share my thoughts on the matter, and that is all. I will clarify my position if needed, but I'm not going to argue it, since I doubt I'll actually change anyones mind. Now, I'll try to sum this up in a few basic points.
1: Why the obsession over wealth? Does everyone in poverty need to become super rich, with an excess of money, for capitalism to be succesful? I would be far more impressed if a large number of people in poverty made it to middle class than elite upper class.
2: Success is achieved NOT through hard work, but through WISE MONEY MANAGEMENT, even if it leads to obvious signs of poverty. For example, a van is cheaper than an apartment, so a person in poverty might give up the apartment and move into a van. This would save money, which if used wisely, could mean more food on the table, or better clothes, which could lead to finding a better job. Obvioulsy, a van is not suitable for families, but even for them, there are alternatives, though none come to mind at the moment. Another way to save money would be to buy a bicycle, and ride to and from work, rather than pay almost $3:00 a gallon for gas. Even a faraway job could be reached on a bike, one would simply have to get up earlier. Success is ahcieved not through making more money, but through making more of the money you DO have, even if it requires unconventional thinking.
3: One must recognize that Government plays a role in producing poverty. Even low taxes hurt those who have very little money to begin with. Also, some ways in which one could make money are illeagal. Right or wrong, the fact is that if ones primary source of income is through the drug trade, it gets kinda hard to escape from poverty, because you have to be carful with your ill gotten gains. Money that can't be used to make your life more comfortable is money you might as well not even have. One could theoretically reduce poverty by leagalizing the drug trade, and thus, creating more jobs though which to make money. Same goes for prostitution. I don't know this for a fact, but I THINK most people in the drug and prostituion trades are in poverty, and using this money to meet their basic needs.
To sum up my position, hard work is pretty much irrelavent to your financial status. One can work VERY hard at setting up a drug ring, only to have it come to nothing, but a long sentance in prison. On the other hand, one can work almost not at all, and still be successful if they spend their money wisely. And one does not have to be RICH to be successful. One simply has to be able to meet all their basic needs, and they're a success story in my book.
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Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:48 pm
No, the 2 party system is a bad idea. If there are 2 parties they will naturally be polar opposites of each other on every issue.
I prefer the 1 and a half party system. Where one party has control, and numerous small parties are there for shits and giggles, and to give the impression of democracy.
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Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:27 pm
FubarRedFerret No, the 2 party system is a bad idea. If there are 2 parties they will naturally be polar opposites of each other on every issue. I prefer the 1 and a half party system. Where one party has control, and numerous small parties are there for shits and giggles, and to give the impression of democracy. Ummmm no. 2 Party System is good, it shouldn't have anymore, We Don;t want to be like Italy and have 66+ Parties.
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