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 Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 5:53 am
PhaedraMcSpiffy If you don't like it, write to these publications and give them the facts! I got two of my pro-choice letters published in a local progressive newspaper. It sounds to me like this woman has some serious physical and mental health problems. She needs help, not punishment. Sounds like a good idea. Aiko_Kaida Now I'm wondering, what do you do if you miscarry late enough during pregnancy that you actually have a dead fetus to deal with? Keeping it wrapped up under your bed or in the freezer obviously isn't a great choice. It seems like going to the hospital would arouse suspicion that you induced an abortion, but I bet an autopsy would probably clear that up. If you miscarry that late in a pregnancy you call an ambulance to take you to the hospital in case you have serious complications. There's no reason medical personnel will think you induced an abortion unless you look the part. Even if they did, I'm not so sure that self-inflicted abuse to cause a miscarriage is illegal. Surely in many states procuring an abortion beyond a certain point in time is illegal... but beating yourself up... I don't know.
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 6:49 am
@Trite: As for your grieving comment, I thought about that, too...
Anyway, the woman's not a murderer if it's just a mere fetus. stare [[Lyk, homg... what if the baby turned out to be a 'cereal' murderer?!?!]] Until the thing is born, it's not really "alive."
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 6:54 am
Aiko_Kaida Now I'm wondering, what do you do if you miscarry late enough during pregnancy that you actually have a dead fetus to deal with? Keeping it wrapped up under your bed or in the freezer obviously isn't a great choice. It seems like going to the hospital would arouse suspicion that you induced an abortion, but I bet an autopsy would probably clear that up. A friend of mine delivered a stillborn at home, called the hospital crying, and literally carried the thing into the hospital wrapped in a sheet. She felt the need to get herself checked out, so it all added up. If you have no money and no health insurance,though, I dunno if this would seem like an option.
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:03 am
Joselle`Stark Aiko_Kaida Now I'm wondering, what do you do if you miscarry late enough during pregnancy that you actually have a dead fetus to deal with? Keeping it wrapped up under your bed or in the freezer obviously isn't a great choice. It seems like going to the hospital would arouse suspicion that you induced an abortion, but I bet an autopsy would probably clear that up. A friend of mine delivered a stillborn at home, called the hospital crying, and literally carried the thing into the hospital wrapped in a sheet. She felt the need to get herself checked out, so it all added up. If you have no money and no health insurance,though, I dunno if this would seem like an option. Emergency room treatment is free. Call an ambulance and you go to the hospital and get care (after a 6 hour wait) for free.
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 9:47 am
Talon-chan Joselle`Stark Aiko_Kaida Now I'm wondering, what do you do if you miscarry late enough during pregnancy that you actually have a dead fetus to deal with? Keeping it wrapped up under your bed or in the freezer obviously isn't a great choice. It seems like going to the hospital would arouse suspicion that you induced an abortion, but I bet an autopsy would probably clear that up. A friend of mine delivered a stillborn at home, called the hospital crying, and literally carried the thing into the hospital wrapped in a sheet. She felt the need to get herself checked out, so it all added up. If you have no money and no health insurance,though, I dunno if this would seem like an option. Emergency room treatment is free. Call an ambulance and you go to the hospital and get care (after a 6 hour wait) for free. ER treatment is not free where I am. A trip in an ambulance is usually around $400 and then the ER treatment can be hundreds of dollars on top of that. They can't deny you treatment if you can't afford it, and sometimes you can get your cost reduced if you can prove you are struggling financially, but they do always bill you.
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 10:21 am
Aiko_Kaida Talon-chan Joselle`Stark Aiko_Kaida Now I'm wondering, what do you do if you miscarry late enough during pregnancy that you actually have a dead fetus to deal with? Keeping it wrapped up under your bed or in the freezer obviously isn't a great choice. It seems like going to the hospital would arouse suspicion that you induced an abortion, but I bet an autopsy would probably clear that up. A friend of mine delivered a stillborn at home, called the hospital crying, and literally carried the thing into the hospital wrapped in a sheet. She felt the need to get herself checked out, so it all added up. If you have no money and no health insurance,though, I dunno if this would seem like an option. Emergency room treatment is free. Call an ambulance and you go to the hospital and get care (after a 6 hour wait) for free. ER treatment is not free where I am. A trip in an ambulance is usually around $400 and then the ER treatment can be hundreds of dollars on top of that. They can't deny you treatment if you can't afford it, and sometimes you can get your cost reduced if you can prove you are struggling financially, but they do always bill you. It's not free where I am either. It cost my parents several hundred dollars for one stitch to be put in my head when I sustained a nasty gash from a windowsill.
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 10:37 am
Talon-chan Joselle`Stark Aiko_Kaida Now I'm wondering, what do you do if you miscarry late enough during pregnancy that you actually have a dead fetus to deal with? Keeping it wrapped up under your bed or in the freezer obviously isn't a great choice. It seems like going to the hospital would arouse suspicion that you induced an abortion, but I bet an autopsy would probably clear that up. A friend of mine delivered a stillborn at home, called the hospital crying, and literally carried the thing into the hospital wrapped in a sheet. She felt the need to get herself checked out, so it all added up. If you have no money and no health insurance,though, I dunno if this would seem like an option. Emergency room treatment is free. Call an ambulance and you go to the hospital and get care (after a 6 hour wait) for free. ER Treatment is NOT free. I have a 4000 dollar bill from my emergency D&C. I can certainly understand why people do not go see a doctor or go to the hospital-- they don't make you pay up front but they do bill you and if you don't pay they ******** up your credit big time.
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 1:44 pm
Aiko_Kaida Talon-chan Joselle`Stark Aiko_Kaida Now I'm wondering, what do you do if you miscarry late enough during pregnancy that you actually have a dead fetus to deal with? Keeping it wrapped up under your bed or in the freezer obviously isn't a great choice. It seems like going to the hospital would arouse suspicion that you induced an abortion, but I bet an autopsy would probably clear that up. A friend of mine delivered a stillborn at home, called the hospital crying, and literally carried the thing into the hospital wrapped in a sheet. She felt the need to get herself checked out, so it all added up. If you have no money and no health insurance,though, I dunno if this would seem like an option. Emergency room treatment is free. Call an ambulance and you go to the hospital and get care (after a 6 hour wait) for free. ER treatment is not free where I am. A trip in an ambulance is usually around $400 and then the ER treatment can be hundreds of dollars on top of that. They can't deny you treatment if you can't afford it, and sometimes you can get your cost reduced if you can prove you are struggling financially, but they do always bill you. Exactly. I had to have a friend pay my huge a** ER bill when he made me go (I didn't want to... and I was probably right, the doc found nothing wrong, but since I was whimpering in pain, he wanted to take me.) It was around $600 for a visit and a pregnancy test. That was about all they did.
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 2:23 pm
This past june my mother collapsed at the hospital. (great timeing huh?)
She and her boyfriend Rob where visiting Rob's brother's wife who had given birth that morning.
To get her breathing and stable again, the 6 hour wait afterwards in the crowded ER to get a room, and the mandatory overnight stay + a cardiogram and stress test the next morning.
$5000
Thank god we had insurance and it covered it all.
She's collapsed a few times before due to an unkown (at this time)
heart condition.
The first ambulence trip cost $750 - the insurance covered $500
The second trip (longer trip) $975 - the insurence covered $500
Health care costs in this country can kill you.
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 4:33 pm
My mistake, my mistake! I've never actually gone to the emergency room for myself at an age I could recollect it (I did when I was like 3), and I know that they are required to treat you... I assumed this meant it was free sweatdrop Always glad to be corrected ^^
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 6:47 pm
So . . . lemme get this straight, they've determined that she had a stillbirth, and they're still charging her with murder? Since when is it a woman's fault when she delivers a dead baby? You might as well send women to death row for having miscarriages.
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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:01 pm
Update: I read in a local newspaper today (from Howard County for anyone who cares)... Maryland apparently has a law that considers it murder if a fetus is intentionally killed when it is possible it could have lived outside the womb (26 weeks+). The intent of the law is clearly to punish those who abuse the pregnant woman, not the pregnant woman herself (the law specifically precludes pregnant women from being charged for harming their own fetuses)... however, this is how such laws can be abused. http://wjz.com/topstories/local_story_213172514.htmlThere's a more thorough explanation. It seems to me like the prosecutors are pro-life and have an axe to grind, or a precident to set. Since this is MD with fairly liberal abortion laws and about a 50/50 D/R ratio... odds are the intent of the law will prevail and she will not be sent to jail.
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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 4:27 am
Crikey. You may have to wait months for treatment here (and that's being reduced, slowly, because more people are switching to private if they can afford it) but at least it's free.
Don't doctors there get a more money for treating more people, and if they give them cheaper meds that are less likely to work they get more money? I heard something like that. Doctors get more money for themselves by spending less on patients.
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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 10:44 am
Seeing the Kraken Crikey. You may have to wait months for treatment here (and that's being reduced, slowly, because more people are switching to private if they can afford it) but at least it's free. Don't doctors there get a more money for treating more people, and if they give them cheaper meds that are less likely to work they get more money? I heard something like that. Doctors get more money for themselves by spending less on patients. Doctors get more money if they give you expensive meds that don't work, and they send you through the most tests they possibly can. Once my boyfriend was called into the doctor who INSISTED he come in just so he could be billed while the doctor told him, 'Your test was inconclusive." My boyfriend was pissed because he could have told us over the phone much easier and saved us 50 bucks. But.. no. They WILL offer treatment/help to you here but you WILL be billed the full amount if you do not have private insurance.
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Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 3:25 pm
Talon-chan PhaedraMcSpiffy If you don't like it, write to these publications and give them the facts! I got two of my pro-choice letters published in a local progressive newspaper. It sounds to me like this woman has some serious physical and mental health problems. She needs help, not punishment. Sounds like a good idea. Aiko_Kaida Now I'm wondering, what do you do if you miscarry late enough during pregnancy that you actually have a dead fetus to deal with? Keeping it wrapped up under your bed or in the freezer obviously isn't a great choice. It seems like going to the hospital would arouse suspicion that you induced an abortion, but I bet an autopsy would probably clear that up. If you miscarry that late in a pregnancy you call an ambulance to take you to the hospital in case you have serious complications. There's no reason medical personnel will think you induced an abortion unless you look the part. Even if they did, I'm not so sure that self-inflicted abuse to cause a miscarriage is illegal. Surely in many states procuring an abortion beyond a certain point in time is illegal... but beating yourself up... I don't know. Actually I think inducing a miscarriage is illegal in Massachusetts. I hate that. I mean yeah it's dangerous but it shouldn't be a crime.
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