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 Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:53 pm
Naota, I see your rant and raise you one X-men posterboy.
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:53 pm
Darth: I understand logic very well, thank you. Your entire argument seems to hinge upon the fact that real life competitions, ( ie Olympics, Wrestling ect...) aren't judged with points as well as comments, therefore, the comments do not matter here. Well, I should simply, refer you to Heal's argument. But, I shall reiterate his point. The situations are NOT the same. Yes, both are competitions, but one is visual and in the real (Easily viewable, both in the moment as well as instant replay), while the other is literary and often, largely fantasy (The literary medium is open to the interpretation of the individual reader.) Biiiig difference. And that difference matters greatly. How can if not. For you to say that it doesn't matter is utter tripe! The vast difference between the mediums of expression, make the way that they are accurately judged, vastly different as well. Awarded points, and an explanation there of is not only essential to the competitors understanding of said awarded points (Or lack there of), but respectful to the competitors themselves as well as the entire process. Yes, I know it's dragging on and you just want to get on with it.We get that too. I can understand that. But still, see above argument.
Oh, and... Just the fact that you pulled that lame ol' 'because you're a woman' card, hints strongly that I must have hit a nerve for you to have sunk to such mentally limited depths.
Austin:
As a matter of fact, no, I did not. Not that it would be a bad thing at all if I had. That being said, I am rather proud of my extended vocabulary. Although I do check the dictionary for spelling and exact definition from time to time.
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:55 pm
The Darth Vizzle You still have to crack eggs, goddammit. Even hardboiled eggs. Gotta crack 'em open to eat 'em. HOW COULD YOU?!?!?!
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:07 pm
Shut up woman.
You know not what you speak of.
Go swallow a hard-boiled egg or something.[/end euphemism]
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:12 pm
xd
Ahhahahahahah!
stare
No!
scream
And wipe Viz's a** hair off your nose!
-tosses moist wipes-
rofl
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:17 pm
Some people like A. Some people like B. Its a matter of opinion in this case, reiterating somebody else's point gets you nowhere, and you're really too easily baited Bella.
Pfft, women.
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:22 pm
The one thing I don't get is...
Why the hate against women?
o3o
Apparently its some social dilemma/paradox that a lot of people just bring out of the blue whenever some conflict - either miniscule in depth or catastrophic in size - arises.
So.
Why so serious?
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:24 pm
Fierach I guess I'd be Cartman to Snow's Kenny.
But I'm not fat, nor do I hate jews.
If you bring up the quote of "Screw you guys, I'm going home..."
...I'll rub it in that your mom was a stripper.
If memory serves me correct in the series. Speaking of which - what IS the story behind Cartman's mom?
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:30 pm
I think she was born a hermaphrodite.
Also a porn queen.
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:32 pm
Fei: Point1: True Point 2: Also true. And point 3: My response to you was more of a joke dear. Hence my use of smilies. Hint: I don't use smilies when I am taking something/something seriously. Yes, I will admit, I have a rather odd sense of humor, but meh, that's just me. So. That being said... PFFFT  yourself! Snow: Here here! and... Because I can be, gawddamn it! 3nodding
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:35 pm
Fierach I think she was born a hermaphrodite.
Also a porn queen. Not exactly... >.> She was born a Hermi who became a German Sheizer (sp?) Queen as well as fathering her own child. 
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:39 pm
Bellanox Fatalis Darth: I understand logic very well, thank you. Your entire argument seems to hinge upon the fact that real life competitions, ( ie Olympics, Wrestling ect...) aren't judged with points as well as comments, therefore, the comments do not matter here. Well, I should simply, refer you to Heal's argument. But, I shall reiterate his point. The situations are NOT the same. Yes, both are competitions, but one is visual and in the real (Easily viewable, both in the moment as well as instant replay), while the other is literary and often, largely fantasy (The literary medium is open to the interpretation of the individual reader.) Biiiig difference. And that difference matters greatly. How can if not. For you to say that it doesn't matter is utter tripe! The vast difference between the mediums of expression, make the way that they are accurately judged, vastly different as well. Awarded points, and an explanation there of is not only essential to the competitors understanding of said awarded points (Or lack there of), but respectful to the competitors themselves as well as the entire process. Yes, I know it's dragging on and you just want to get on with it.We get that too. I can understand that. But still, see above argument.
Oh, and... Just the fact that you pulled that lame ol' 'because you're a woman' card, hints strongly that I must have hit a nerve for you to have sunk to such mentally limited depths.
Austin:
As a matter of fact, no, I did not. Not that it would be a bad thing at all if I had. That being said, I am rather proud of my extended vocabulary. Although I do check the dictionary for spelling and exact definition from time to time. Welcome to "I missed the joke"-ville. Or, possibly; "I'm butt-hurt"-ville. Population: You. Though, for the sake of making a point, I'm going to explain this. Again. And in as simple a manner as I can possibly manage so that you understand it. Essential vs. Non-essential elements: Win/loss decision = essential. Why? Because it advances the tournament forward. The tournament reaches its completion via win/loss decision. Eventually, someone wins, and everyone else loses. That's how a tournament works. Ergo, the win/loss decision is essential, it's important to the process. In fact, it IS the process, or half of it. The other half is the actual participation. Commentary = non-essential. True. Why? Because it doesn't advance the tournament forward. It doesn't do anything to complete the tournament. If you remove the commentary, does the tournament still advance? Yes; by way of the win/loss decision. Therefore, we can deem that commentary is non-essential and therefore unimportant in the most basic terms of whether or not the tournament can be completed without it. The only question that matters is "Is it essential to the advancement or completion of the tournament?" The answer is no. No, commentary is not essential to the completion of the tournament in the most basic terms, because it doesn't offer a decision. It EXPLAINS the decision. However, an explanation isn't necessary or required for the decision to go forward. It's almost the simplest logic you can apply to a series of variables; whether they're true/false, essential/nonessential. No, it doesn't matter if the tournament participants understand the reasoning behind the judges' scores. Why? Because that doesn't advance the tournament to the next round. Therefore, it's non-essential. Any other quandaries on the matter don't affect the point I'm making. I'm talking about the essentials of running the tournament, whether or not the tournament can continue without comments. It can. Ergo, it isn't essential. EDIT:: ******** God, I hate explaining concepts like that. I should just start using MS Paint to draw diagrams. Mostly because when you get to a certain point, you're just talking to someone like they're a child, and it's demeaning for both persons. It also gives me a headache.
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 9:13 pm
Can you draw something to show this:
Welcome to "I missed the joke"-ville. Or, possibly; "I'm butt-hurt"-ville.
Population: You.
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 9:15 pm
The Darth Vizzle Welcome to "I missed the joke"-ville. Population: Me. Though, for the sake of making a point, I'm going to explain this. Again and again and again. And in as simple a manner as I can possibly manage so that you understand it. Essential vs. Non-essential elements: Win/loss decision = essential. Why? Because it advances the tournament forward. The tournament reaches its completion via win/loss decision. Eventually, someone wins, and everyone else loses. That's how a tournament works. Ergo, the win/loss decision is essential, it's important to the process. In fact, it IS the process, or half of it. The other half is the actual participation. Commentary = non-essential. True. Why? Because it doesn't advance the tournament forward. It doesn't do anything to complete the tournament. If you remove the commentary, does the tournament still advance? Yes; by way of the win/loss decision. Therefore, we can deem that commentary is non-essential and therefore unimportant in the most basic terms of whether or not the tournament can be completed without it. The only question that matters is "Is it essential to the advancement or completion of the tournament?" The answer is no. No, commentary is not essential to the completion of the tournament in the most basic terms, because it doesn't offer a decision. It EXPLAINS the decision. However, an explanation isn't necessary or required for the decision to go forward. It's almost the simplest logic you can apply to a series of variables; whether they're true/false, essential/nonessential. No, it doesn't matter if the tournament participants understand the reasoning behind the judges' scores. Why? Because that doesn't advance the tournament to the next round. Therefore, it's non-essential. Any other quandaries on the matter don't affect the point I'm making. I'm talking about the essentials of running the tournament, whether or not the tournament can continue without comments. It can. Ergo, it isn't essential. *Small edit above*
Then hypothetically, by your assessment, this tournament, any tournament, could very well be a 'because I say so' popularity contest among the sitting judges and it wouldn't matter how well one did in their fight and it would be hunky dory with you. Because the judges final decision is final, no comments or justification. And none would be the wiser. (Yes judges, like all human beings, do sometimes make their choices based on more personal reasons. Especially when they are not called to an accounting for their decisions. *Not saying that is whats happening here, but that seems to be where minds tend to wander when they why is kept out of the decision making process*)
I still say that comments are essential, because they keep things on a seemingly more even keel and as fair as possible in an unfair world. To cut them out undermines the credibility of any tournament. It's as bad and sleazy as saying "You loose because I say you loose". [/insert bad Italian accent here]
Yes, I agree, the final decisions are what ultimately counts for moving the tourney forward. But if it does so while loosing credibility, then how can you expect those decisions to hold any weight? And aren't the rp chops and bragging rights what you guys all do this for? What is there to brag about? What honored title is there to flaunt if it is felt that you may have won by kissing the right judicial a**? Whether you agree with the judges assessment doesn't matter, I agree. Not will arguing change that decision. But at least you have been given the judges justification for it. Maintaining the credibility of the title that you all seem to be striving so hard for. And must be at least marginally important. If it weren't, you wouldn't be so vehement about it.
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Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 9:19 pm
The Darth Vizzle EDIT:: ******** God, I hate explaining concepts like that. I should just start using MS Paint to draw diagrams. Mostly because when you get to a certain point, you're just talking to someone like they're a child, and it's demeaning for both persons. It also gives me a headache.
And it started me down a slipper slope that ended in:
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