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 Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:15 pm
Xenos Mortium Sorta random, but I was wondering what it meant when Space Marines are given the flat helmet, shown here (The one of the bottom right): http://us.games-workshop.com/games/40k/spacemarines/catalog/spacemarines/sm_MarneusC.htmI've seen it a couple times, and I was wondering if that was a characteristic of the Mk8 Armour, or if was just something random. Personally, it's my favourite helmet that I've seen, despite taht it makes them look more 'knightly' and less 'future-y'.
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:19 pm
Big Boss OBrien Lt. Brookman A.R.G.U.S Mykal The_Chaplain this comes from the Bolter and Chainsword forum. The proposed codex release schedule is as follows: Dark Angels (out this friday) Codex: Apocalypse (rules for 3,000+ games) Orks Chaos SM Blood Angels Dark Eldar Space Wolves or space marine redux
Chaos have been done really. I don't see why they're on the list.
-Mykal HUSH YOU! Think of the new models! crying If they look like the new possessed marines you're in trouble though. I can't believe they're all ready considering reduxing the mairne codex.
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 1:47 am
Apparently the Trait system is pretty broken, which is tragic, because I loved it.
I think ALL the special Chapters ought to be reduced to traits. It's ridiculous that they each need their own Codex. evil
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:11 am
King Kento Big Boss OBrien Lt. Brookman A.R.G.U.S Mykal The_Chaplain this comes from the Bolter and Chainsword forum. The proposed codex release schedule is as follows: Dark Angels (out this friday) Codex: Apocalypse (rules for 3,000+ games) Orks Chaos SM Blood Angels Dark Eldar Space Wolves or space marine redux
Chaos have been done really. I don't see why they're on the list.
-Mykal HUSH YOU! Think of the new models! crying If they look like the new possessed marines you're in trouble though. I can't believe they're all ready considering reduxing the mairne codex. 1. It turns out the redo isn't that pointless. On working for the DA codex they decided on a lot of things they wanted to change about Space Marines. However, I'm sure the redo won't be very soon. @ flashbackJon: 2. The trait system isn't really broken. 3. The reason the four chapters have their own traits is because of significant divergance, beyond the point of traits. You can't reduce Ravenwing to White Scars. 4. If they made traits for the specialty chapters than people would go nuts with the traits system. 5. Then there wouldn't be specialty models for armies. =o
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:29 pm
2. I didn't say I thought it was. wink
3. Oh, you most certainly can.
4. I'm okay with that. It worked out JUST fine for Imperial Guard.
5. Perfectly fine by me. The Space Marine model line needs significantly less focus than it currently gets. I'm going to go ahead and guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this point. 3nodding
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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 12:20 am
well, for Blood Angels it could be combo of "no mercy, no respite" giving them furious charge and "uphold the honor of the emperor" to represent death company's invulnerable save. Dark Angels could use "Be swift as the wind" to represent Ravenwing and there could be a new trait allowing to take more Terminators to represent Deathwing...
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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 6:32 am
FlashbackJon 2. I didn't say I thought it was. wink 3. Oh, you most certainly can. 4. I'm okay with that. It worked out JUST fine for Imperial Guard. 5. Perfectly fine by me. The Space Marine model line needs significantly less focus than it currently gets. I'm going to go ahead and guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this point. 3nodding Well we could kill all specialties while we're at it. Armoured company, Speed Freaks, Kroot Mercenaries, Guard specialty armies~
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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:24 am
No, I'd rather they treat the other specialties with the care and concern that was placed into the trait system alone.
There is no reason for five Chapter Codices when even a Chaos Legion doesn't (currently) get more than half a page. Especially when the trait system perfectly replicates any advantage or disadvantage a Chapter might have - especially with the introduction of USRs.
Klan lists are six lines of text! Kroot mercs, feral orks, speed freaks, and lost and the damned aren't even officially armies.
Let's spread some of the love, GW! People don't buy your other lines because you treat them like shite - it's a vicious cycle. crying
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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 1:05 pm
Does anybody know something about the origin of the blood ravens?
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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 1:24 pm
wow flashback: don't get too heated over this; it is just a game after all. And yes, to some extent I agree: a space marine codex redux this early is absurd, but I'm sure GW will get to xenos in time (before the SM redux I'm sure). However, the nerfing of the other "special" sm armies-- reducing them to use the traits system is equally absurd. Those armies give marine players something non-ultra marines to look at .
And IIRC the chaos codex WILL be split into 5 books-- allowing *hopefully* for more than a half a page for undedicated legions. as for lost and the damned: who cares?
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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 3:57 pm
The_Chaplain wow flashback: don't get too heated over this; it is just a game after all. And yes, to some extent I agree: a space marine codex redux this early is absurd, but I'm sure GW will get to xenos in time (before the SM redux I'm sure). However, the nerfing of the other "special" sm armies-- reducing them to use the traits system is equally absurd. Those armies give marine players something non-ultra marines to look at .
And IIRC the chaos codex WILL be split into 5 books-- allowing *hopefully* for more than a half a page for undedicated legions. as for lost and the damned: who cares?Lost and the Damned players. blaugh Maybe we should get a little more onto the topic of Marines though. The main reason for the redux is they decided to change marine squads and basic equipment, for the most part.
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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:06 pm
First off, what changes? As I havent read up on the new DA codex, i dont know what these changes are.
As for flashback. I liked having different rules for each army, though i do agree codexes for each is rediculous. Hell the BT couldve been in a Codex: Dorn with BT, Imperial Fists, Crimson Fists, and if they really wanted to get funky with rules, Soul Drinkers.
That would be worth a whole codex. I liked my 3 pages of special rules in the armageddon codex, and I think the same went for BT players, they only had 3 pages in there to. Now they have a codex, not even one of the small ones, but full sized. I dont think the traits do justice to the other marine armies, even the Iron Hands whose rules werent that good in the first place were still better with those than traits, not by much though. I do like the trait system though for those that want to make their own armies, rather than using say Space Wolf rules and making your own chapter on top of it.
The thing you said though that without a doubt I agree with is. People dont buy other armies, because gw doesnt put work into them.
It doesnt suprise me that marines are so popular, they have tons of sub armies and configurations, fluff, customizeable fluff, neraly all plastic and updated models. Some newb wants close combat, are they going to go for the awful looking dark eldar that youd have to special order ot get ahole of, or the amazingly updated, prominent and popular marines with constantly updated rules.
Sometimes gw makes my head hurt.
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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:32 pm
The_Chaplain wow flashback: don't get too heated over this; it is just a game after all. Wow, The_Chaplain, don't get too condescending. Please recognize the use of exaggeration for rhetoric effect. stare Quote: However, the nerfing of the other "special" sm armies-- reducing them to use the traits system is equally absurd. Those armies give marine players something non-ultra marines to look at .See? It isn't, really. There's more than enough variety in the traits system alone to handle any existing Chapter. It's ALL non-Ultras. Quote: And IIRC the chaos codex WILL be split into 5 books-- allowing *hopefully* for more than a half a page for undedicated legions. as for lost and the damned: who cares? Chaos is being split, yep. The Lost and the Damned is one of the most interesting and creative army lists currently available for the conversion opportunities alone. It doesn't make it any more viable when you say "LatD? Who cares?" than if I say "Dark Angels? Who cares?" You gotta understand here that I'm not advocating nerfing anything. Simply that Space Marines don't need a redux when nearly half your army lists haven't been updated for your latest (three year old) edition yet! They have a perfectly functional system for representing any given Chapter contained purely within their fourth edition pages! Frankly, I'd just like to see something half as cool as the trait system for EVERY army? Who can argue with that? The Ork Codex will be a decade old by the time it's "updated" - and granted, there's something to be said for winning battles with the oldest book in the game, but the novelty of that only lasts a little while. razz
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Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 8:09 am
King Kento First off, what changes? As I havent read up on the new DA codex, i dont know what these changes are. If you read the new White Dwarf with the information on creating the new DA codex, they plan (sometime in the future) to have all Space Marines: -Squads: (Aside from Veteran and maybe command, I forgot) Be assembled in groups of five or ten. -All Space Marines: Will have frag grenades, krak grenades, and a bolt pistol. Aside from that, they haven't said much else.
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Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 4:00 pm
Maegnis Ra Does anybody know something about the origin of the blood ravens? Blood Ravens are over rated. 'Oooo! they got their own game! Oooo!' Big deal. I know of a lot of chapters better than the Blood Ravens.
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