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 Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 6:59 pm
NerotheSable7714 HAHA! hey just stopping by to tell you if you did not get FF12 ya should or maybe rent it its a good game i got the collectors addition and im sorry but i cant post my CloTi fanfic because my mom does not want me to post it so soz about that NTS OUT! I want FF12 so bad!!! I hope you will post your Cloti fic someday...I wonder why your mom won't let you....
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 7:05 pm
Jhay-R Aw, I love those pics! The one with Tifa and her panties say "Property of Mr. Strife," that just made me smile, man. That's an awesome idea, man! The other one I like would have to be the last one you posted, RxH. They look so sleepy and so loving in that pic. Ah, that moonlit scene of CloTi, that's just really beautiful. p.s. If you're going to quote someone, and especially if that person has a very large or multiple pictures, than take out the img code so that it doesn't take up so much page space Sorry 'bout that....I forgot.
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 7:12 pm
Amylin RanmaxHikaru Anyway I'll divert the conversation in another direction. I recently found this on a Vintif fanlisting and thought it was very interesting. The sequel factor(s). Then we have the barrage of FFVII sequels. The applicable ones in this case are Advent Children and Dirge of Cerberus.
As Tetsuya Nomura, director of AC, said in an interview available on AdventChildren.Net, Advent Children is just a representation of one of the many possibilities of the aftermath of FFVII. In other words, Advent Children, and follow-ups to it such as Dirge of Cerberus, are not canon. Most likely, Nomura made this distinction to avoid offending any FFVII fans who are opposed to the idea of sequels.
Therefore, anything that happens in those movies/games should not be treated or touted as canon. I noticed many Vincent fans are disgusted by Yuffie playing a major role in Dirge of Cerberus; given what Nomura said, this disgust is needless. Square Enix is just giving a nod to young fangirls that way (they did this before in FFX-2, with the various references to Auron that can be found in some of Rikku's dresspheres). So does this statement truly mean that AC and DoC isn't cannon? And if they're not cannon does that mean that BC, CC, and LO aren't cannon either? It depends on what you consider canon to be... some people look at canon and think "made by the original creators"... then yes, all the FFVII sequals and prequals are canon. If you consider canon to be "a creator's original context without outside influence"... then no, these additions are not canon. It relates close to what I talked about in the "What do you think of Tifa Lockheart" thread when I discussed the differences of Tifa in the original game and of the Tifa we see in AC (an so on). Again this applies to all features of FFVII; characters, plot, concept, settings, etc. (If you want to know more on the concept of Tifa read my other rant) One big thing we all forgot about when the additionals came out was the multitude of theories that came out of the ending. To many Advent Children was pretty accurate, others thought Cloud and Tifa would be married by now, some thought Aeris came back to life, some (me included) thought that Cloud had died, or that the entire human race was wiped out... the list goes on. Also, if you really are open minded to the concepts and pay attention there really is evidence supporting all of these and NO real evidence disproving any of them. For AC think about this, if Cloud and Tifa were married that would piss off Cleris fans, if Aeris came back to life Clifa fans would resent the strengthening of rivalary as well as it would make people who felt Aeris' death was a key point to why the story is so deep and beautiful feel cheated, if Cloud were dead there would not be nearly as much fandom for the sequal, and if the entire human race died there would really be no sequal at all. The path taken by AC was a smart way to continue the story to make the potential sales without discouraging or pissing off fans. An original creation governed by fickle fandom. We can still enjoy it and rather or not you consider it canon rests on what you think it means to be canon. Interesting....I think I came across this before......Well, either way, everything still ended without officially stating an official couple. confused I would agree that if Aeris came back to life, then it would ruin the FFVII story......Not to bash her or anything....it just doesn't seem right. It'd be like Goku, who always seems to come back to life after being killed by Frieza or Cell or whatnot.
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 7:24 pm
Twindream Interesting....I think I came across this before......Well, either way, everything still ended without officially stating an official couple. confused I would agree that if Aeris came back to life, then it would ruin the FFVII story......Not to bash her or anything....it just doesn't seem right. It'd be like Goku, who always seems to come back to life after being killed by Frieza or Cell or whatnot. As much as I like Aeris I going to have to agree with you there.
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 7:25 pm
Off topic a bit, but directed at Twindream, Goku has a reason for coming back though as well as explanation as to why he keeps reappearing. Cant keep the main character of the series gone from the main story arch for an extended amount of time.
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 7:27 pm
soadshuyin Off topic a bit, but directed at Twindream, Goku has a reason for coming back though as well as explanation as to why he keeps reappearing. Cant keep the main character of the series gone from the main story arch for an extended amount of time. Well, that's true too.
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 8:03 pm
Amylin RanmaxHikaru Anyway I'll divert the conversation in another direction. I recently found this on a Vintif fanlisting and thought it was very interesting. The sequel factor(s). Then we have the barrage of FFVII sequels. The applicable ones in this case are Advent Children and Dirge of Cerberus.
As Tetsuya Nomura, director of AC, said in an interview available on AdventChildren.Net, Advent Children is just a representation of one of the many possibilities of the aftermath of FFVII. In other words, Advent Children, and follow-ups to it such as Dirge of Cerberus, are not canon. Most likely, Nomura made this distinction to avoid offending any FFVII fans who are opposed to the idea of sequels.
Therefore, anything that happens in those movies/games should not be treated or touted as canon. I noticed many Vincent fans are disgusted by Yuffie playing a major role in Dirge of Cerberus; given what Nomura said, this disgust is needless. Square Enix is just giving a nod to young fangirls that way (they did this before in FFX-2, with the various references to Auron that can be found in some of Rikku's dresspheres). So does this statement truly mean that AC and DoC isn't cannon? And if they're not cannon does that mean that BC, CC, and LO aren't cannon either? It depends on what you consider canon to be... some people look at canon and think "made by the original creators"... then yes, all the FFVII sequals and prequals are canon. If you consider canon to be "a creator's original context without outside influence"... then no, these additions are not canon. It relates close to what I talked about in the "What do you think of Tifa Lockheart" thread when I discussed the differences of Tifa in the original game and of the Tifa we see in AC (an so on). Again this applies to all features of FFVII; characters, plot, concept, settings, etc. (If you want to know more on the concept of Tifa read my other rant) One big thing we all forgot about when the additionals came out was the multitude of theories that came out of the ending. To many Advent Children was pretty accurate, others thought Cloud and Tifa would be married by now, some thought Aeris came back to life, some (me included) thought that Cloud had died, or that the entire human race was wiped out... the list goes on. Also, if you really are open minded to the concepts and pay attention there really is evidence supporting all of these and NO real evidence disproving any of them. For AC think about this, if Cloud and Tifa were married that would piss off Cleris fans, if Aeris came back to life Clifa fans would resent the strengthening of rivalary as well as it would make people who felt Aeris' death was a key point to why the story is so deep and beautiful feel cheated, if Cloud were dead there would not be nearly as much fandom for the sequal, and if the entire human race died there would really be no sequal at all. The path taken by AC was a smart way to continue the story to make the potential sales without discouraging or pissing off fans. An original creation governed by fickle fandom. We can still enjoy it and rather or not you consider it canon rests on what you think it means to be canon. Interesting... incite. It's just my opinion but here is what I think would have happened if they had made a sequel without fan influence; First of all, I think Cloud and Tifa would have been married already and may have even had children of their own. I say this not because I'm a Clotif fan; I say this because it seems like the most logical course of action considering how they were with each other near the end of the game and considering that Aeris, the other potential love interest is dead. Second they wouldn't have brought Aeris back (As a living person, a vision, or otherwise) because Cloud seemed to have come to terms with her death at the end of the game. Third, I definitely think that the characters personalities would have changed just because of the maturity factor. I think Tifa might have turned out more or less the same but Cloud would be completely different because he would now have nothing to be emo about. He would be living happy with his wife and children. I also think that neither Vincent or Yuffie would have been there, considering that they were only secret characters and their being in AC was purely because of the fans. And lastly, Berret, Red 13, and Cid may or may not have made an appearance since none of them were all that important to the game.
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 8:54 pm
Yeah, before the movie came out, I saw Cloud and Tifa together. (Though not married) Well, even with the movie, Cloud and Tifa are together. sweatdrop Though not as romantic as I would've thought. (Actually, the novel illustrated that more...) Well anyway, I'm just rambling. sweatdrop
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 6:47 am
You haven't seen rambling until you've seen me totally sleepy...
What I say to the higher ups saying crap is un-canon or non-canon or whatever, ******** it.
Whatever was said by them doesn't subtract away from what has been released. I mean, if you had to listen to the higher ups all the time, that would mean there wouldn't be any really good fanfiction out there.
Couplings are a way of bending the rules, allowing you to choose what you thought might happen, what you think could have happened, and what happened or could have happened before the game's time.
When I look at a game or an anime, I look at the events, and the character's emotions and history along with the plotline. From there, I ask myself, "What coud/might happen or have happened should _____?"
Stuff ain't set in stone, never has, never will. If they say it's non-canon, and people are berating you saying, "Oh, they say it's not canon, so you're wrong," ******** them. In the world of couplings, almost no one is ever wrong. So long as something has a good enough back up and reason, you're never wrong in the world of couples. Just gotta remember that, man...
So whether you use AC to support CloTi or Cleris, the game to support Cleris or Cloti or Cliffie or hell maybe even AeriSeph, or even use DoC to support Yuffentine (Done it hella times...), you're not wrong to use it. Just don't abuse it and make more than one path for yourself, so if someone cuts you off and starts bashing you, you can take the other road and show them that it can work in many cross-pathes.
If you didn't understand that... Try reading the official AeriSeph page, where there are at least 4 or 5 pathes made as to how and why the couple could work.
Anyway, I got nothing else left, Late from Willie_Ba_It
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 6:57 am
Nevermind, I still got some s**t to say, um...
Cloud, in AC, still hadn't come to terms with Aeris' death. He was more or less still attached to her, although I cannot say how strong his love for her after death was, he was still clinging to her memory.
It wasn't until the end of AC do you see him see her, and then he comes to the fact that she's gone, but she'll always remember him as a friend. It's all good.
And, I gotta agree with Amylin a bit there. She does make the fact that Shuyin makes in the "Because I'm sick of the fighting," thread. Should they have made the choice of Cloud and Tifa 'officially' getting together, a multitude of fans would have been pissed. If Aeris was brought back to life, then many others would be pissed as well. You're not wrong to think it could have happened, but you're wrong in thinking that it will happen and that everyone should believe it's true or something like that. Can't directly quote crap anymore.
RxH, not hating on you. Swear to god I ain't hating. Cloud could go single all his life should he want to. Though going with Tifa seems like the most logical thing to do in his life right now, it doesn't really mean he will. It's a likelyhood, but not a definitey. Man, just used two words I'm not even sure are real... Anyway, it could happen, it won't be shown in official works as to keep heat away from the Square Enix corporation, but in our thoughts, minds, hearts, and souls, it could very well happen.
Just depends on what you believe...
Okay, hope this is the end of the rant and I don't end up posting again...
Late,
Jhay-R
"Love is blind, and so am I"
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:25 am
Actually my last post was only my opinion of what would have most likely happened, because it seemed like the most logical course for the game to take. Also Cloud did come to terms with Aeris's death which can be seen at the end of the game and in the novel "On the Way to a Smile" I mean he was going to start a new life with Tifa and what not. I just think that Cloud eventually fell back into his depression after a while and thus had to come to terms with Aeris's death all over again. I think SE did this so they would have a reason to bring Aeris back, so as to please the Aeris/Caeris fans.
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 12:29 pm
Jhay-R You haven't seen rambling until you've seen me totally sleepy... What I say to the higher ups saying crap is un-canon or non-canon or whatever, ******** it. Whatever was said by them doesn't subtract away from what has been released. I mean, if you had to listen to the higher ups all the time, that would mean there wouldn't be any really good fanfiction out there. Couplings are a way of bending the rules, allowing you to choose what you thought might happen, what you think could have happened, and what happened or could have happened before the game's time. When I look at a game or an anime, I look at the events, and the character's emotions and history along with the plotline. From there, I ask myself, "What coud/might happen or have happened should _____?" Stuff ain't set in stone, never has, never will. If they say it's non-canon, and people are berating you saying, "Oh, they say it's not canon, so you're wrong," ******** them. In the world of couplings, almost no one is ever wrong. So long as something has a good enough back up and reason, you're never wrong in the world of couples. Just gotta remember that, man... So whether you use AC to support CloTi or Cleris, the game to support Cleris or Cloti or Cliffie or hell maybe even AeriSeph, or even use DoC to support Yuffentine (Done it hella times...), you're not wrong to use it. Just don't abuse it and make more than one path for yourself, so if someone cuts you off and starts bashing you, you can take the other road and show them that it can work in many cross-pathes. If you didn't understand that... Try reading the official AeriSeph page, where there are at least 4 or 5 pathes made as to how and why the couple could work. Anyway, I got nothing else left, Late from Willie_Ba_ItGood point. It's out.....and the company has to approve the game before it goes out, so yeah, it's relevant.
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 12:34 pm
RanmaxHikaru Actually my last post was only my opinion of what would have most likely happened, because it seemed like the most logical course for the game to take. Also Cloud did come to terms with Aeris's death which can be seen at the end of the game and in the novel "On the Way to a Smile" I mean he was going to start a new life with Tifa and what not. I just think that Cloud eventually fell back into his depression after a while and thus had to come to terms with Aeris's death all over again. I think SE did this so they would have a reason to bring Aeris back, so as to please the Aeris/Caeris fans. Yeah, Cloud already moved on in "On the Way to a Smile", actually, moved on even more than Tifa which I find ironic and yet very cute. blaugh Ahem, well anyway, who wouldn't fall into depression after you got a delivery request from the mother of your close friend, asking for flowers for her dead child? That guilt comes back even though he supposedly went on. Thus, AC in which basically concludes the story. (Well, since SE is working on the director's cut, I wonder if they'll be more for us to find out? wink )
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:02 pm
grrr im f*cking pissed off so pardon my f*ckin language
i was walking home today and i saw these guys actually beating up one of my best friends so i charge em and guess why they beat him up cuz he was a cloti! f*cking pisses me off to no ends and if any hostility builds up online again in posts tell me i want to be like a Keeper of the Peace between the two after wat just happened
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 5:31 pm
NerotheSable7714 grrr im f*cking pissed off so pardon my f*ckin language i was walking home today and i saw these guys actually beating up one of my best friends so i charge em and guess why they beat him up cuz he was a cloti! f*cking pisses me off to no ends and if any hostility builds up online again in posts tell me i want to be like a Keeper of the Peace between the two after wat just happened Woah... That's bullshit. That's straight up bullshit Now, all I gotta say, you can't judge all the Cleris by those fools. Not saying you will, just trying to get you not to. Anyway, those idiots will get what's coming to them. If a person is beat up by some fools because he believes in something, then that's their problem. They are SO hooked on a game, that they will cause physical harm on them. Now, I can agree with disagreeing or disliking a pairing, but to go so far as to beat the crap outta someone for it, that's just wrong. That's like beating someone for being a Jew or a Christian, it's not right, and shouldn't be happening. I usually say go with the non-violence route, which doesn't always work, but it's the most mature way to do it. But sometimes, they won't reason with you, but try as hard as you can to veer away from violence.
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