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both tatics work, but they both fail somewhere. The trap can be curcimvented by fast troops (Wraiths, Destoryers) or the Veil of Darkness (or luck), and the smash the front lines trick is a little foolhardy when you go against 60 Warriors, a Lord, 3 Hev. Destroyers, 10 Immortals and a Monolith.

Personally I love it when the enemy comes to me.
Pariahs lower your leadership to 7 if you're within 12 inches (I think it's 12, might be 6)
Park them behind your flayed ones (enemy makes a leadership test every turn or needs 6's to hit)
Put a Lord in the flayed ones unit with the Gaze of Flame (enemy does not recieve the +1 attack bonus for charging and is at -1 leadership.)
Have fun rolling that leadership 6 test to not need 6's to hit me.
And if that doesn't do the trick the Nightbringer's always around to break stuff...if you've ever "easily killed" one it's because your opponent had no idea what his rules where....
If there's still anything left then the wraiths get to have some fun..three units of three on the charge is 36 I-6 S-6 attacks...

Actually, an Archon will never be able to reliably kill a Nightbringer in a confrontation in which everyone knows the rules. For what it's worth I'll remind you that you don't get shadow field saves against the Nightbringers attacks (they count as warscythes) and Nightbringer is in every way a wonderful use of the 360 points...it just depends on knowing his rules. t-8 5 wounds 5 str 10 attacks and a 4+ invuln are what make the thing so bad, and the odd little rules no one seems to know about or use.
For instance today in a tournament I played in (My Necrons won! wahoo!) the Night bringer assaulted the center of an orc army on the third turn, after shrugging off two rounds of rokkit and dread fire. He ran in and killed four of the green skins, then when they gathered around (which they HAVE to do) he dropped his ordnance attack (str-4, no armor saves, centered on the nightbringer) and killed 13 of them in one turn, then sweeping into a unit of kans, then a using another special ability in the next turn (etheric tempest--any enemy unit not comprised totaly of str-4 models must make an immediate 2d6" fall back move directly away from the nightbringer) I made two units of orcs flee away from an objective worth 600 VP, and then proceeded to hack my way through the kans, and the nob squad/warboss before the game ended.
In another game against a Dark Eldar player today he succesfully used etheric tempest to drive two units of warriors off the board, and I assure you my opponent was none too pleased when he found out that he couldn't charge the nightbringer with anything in his army (Etheric Tempest is used before ANY attacks are made at ANY initiative) and his 8 darklances only managed to do two wounds in two rounds of firing at him.(6 hit, 3 wounded, 2 saves/5 hit, 2 wounded, one saved.)...also the fact that after I picked apart his incubi I charged his archonwith the nightbringer, took no wounds, and all I had to do was hit and wound once to send him packing.
In short, relkin, the archon is an amazing and very cheap close combat character, but he should NEVER kill the nightbringer if the rules are being played unless it's the odd situation where the nightbringer assaults with only one wound remaining.
And the supposition that the Nightbringer is somehow too expensive or innefectual is both foolhardy and incorrect. In every of the 43 games I've fielded him in so far he's gotten his points back for me, in EVERY game, against EVERY army.

Do not worry about it. When we fight between Frosty and the Nightbringer, we normally start off in close combat, and with all our wounds(Think that we did not actually have the battle), other than etheric tempest, we played with all of the Nightbringers rules, and I won 3 out of 7 times. Twice it was A draw, and the others it won. When we played with etheric tempest, neither of us did anything, as I got A two plus save, and he could do nothing to me with his only long range attack. As it stands, outfitted the right way, MY Archon can stand against the Nightbringer with relative ease, if you decide to take the stupid etheric tempest out of the way. And I have NEVER used my saves in close combat with the Nightbringer. Not once, I do know the rules for both, and it is not right that I should do so. But the reason I say that the nightbringer is A waste of points is that you can do so much more damage with 20 more warriors, or A monolith and another necron lord. It just is not A good use of the points, in my opinion.

Now, if you want to see something really funny, try playing as the Necrons in a densly packed city fight map with the Nightbringer and as many Wraiths as possible. Both get that little "walk through walls" ablility thats sure to cause widespread terror in the enemys ranks.
You could also throw in some scarabs and flayed ones for extra kick xd

Now thats just evil...

Ouch. That sounds like it would only end in tears.



I've run into this kind of thing before too. Luckily my friend thinks to little of rattlings to include them in his IG army. I think the truth of the matter is that GW overlooked this "glitch" if you will. Think about it: how is it remotely possible for a puny, mortal with a rifle to take down the living embodiment of a star god?
But, as far as gameplay goes, snipers really are devistating. Just get a squad of 10 snipers to focus on the Nightbringer for one turn, and POW! Thats the sound of your Nightbringer poping like a balloon at a 6-year olds birthday party.