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 Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:31 pm
SoraMee Nephilimalch Actually, Ayami Kojima IS a manga artist, so she actually deals with similar deadlines as Takeuchi and Toriyama. The only difference is that Konami may give her more time to complete some of her works. Even with that being said, Toriyama has been given similar deadlines for his works on games and failed to bring anything new to the table- thus, he sucks. Plain and simple. He does nothing more than recycle designs. I guess we can't totally blame him since Americans are stupid enough to keep buying his work. So, what from a second-rate artist like him deserves my respect? I have to say, you managed to fall into my stereotype of a Toriyama fan quite nicely, calling Kojima's work "gay" right after I had said "though Toriyama's fans seem to like using the argument "LAWL, her artwork is gay," " thus your credibility flies out the window for me. And, last time I checked, I hadn't said anything about Manga until this post, so the fact that you're bringing it up now is rather irrelevant. Is there a point to your final comments, or are you just going off on a tangent? Either way, it serves no purpose to further your own opinion or does anything to alter mine.
What I meant by calling her artwork "gay" was just a generalization I think is objective. I still like her work.
As far as I know, Kojima-san doesn't live off of manga (or weekly/monthly manga series).
Yes, Toriyama-san's work is rather uncreative in his works.
To be more on topic (I guess), would you think they would portray Simon in his "Conan the Barbarian" garbs, or as Kojima-san did for Chronicles?You should avoid generalizations- they give people the wrong idea about you. Kojima DID make a living as a romance Manga artist for a time- Konami just pays her for certain other projects she does. After all, she's not on Konami's payroll ALL the time. At least we can all agree that Toriyama is uncreative. And, to answer your question, even with Kojima's reprisal of Simon's costume, there wasn't much difference to be seen from his sprite- other than the red hair he donned in Castlevania Chronicles. Though I prefer her take on the character to the original artist's, I'll always be a fan of the original- no matter how disappointing it is in this day and age.
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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:36 pm
Nephilimalch You should avoid generalizations- they give people the wrong idea about you. Kojima DID make a living as a romance Manga artist for a time- Konami just pays her for certain other projects she does. After all, she's not on Konami's payroll ALL the time. At least we can all agree that Toriyama is uncreative. And, to answer your question, even with Kojima's reprisal of Simon's costume, there wasn't much difference to be seen from his sprite- other than the red hair he donned in Castlevania Chronicles. Though I prefer her take on the character to the original artist's, I'll always be a fan of the original- no matter how disappointing it is in this day and age.
I think I'm paranoid, but I took your previous reply a bit too personally. As you can see, I took "a day off" to cool my head (well, I actually forgot to check, but it's a good excuse as any...).
Lol, the original design is kinda funny. Even the one for the X86000(?) version is funny. It would be a very different style from the movies of recent. A "barbarian" amiss the elegant European past and American present. Though, is that style consistent with the historical 1600s (I think that's Simon's time period)?
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Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 1:15 am
SoraMee Nephilimalch You should avoid generalizations- they give people the wrong idea about you. Kojima DID make a living as a romance Manga artist for a time- Konami just pays her for certain other projects she does. After all, she's not on Konami's payroll ALL the time. At least we can all agree that Toriyama is uncreative. And, to answer your question, even with Kojima's reprisal of Simon's costume, there wasn't much difference to be seen from his sprite- other than the red hair he donned in Castlevania Chronicles. Though I prefer her take on the character to the original artist's, I'll always be a fan of the original- no matter how disappointing it is in this day and age.
I think I'm paranoid, but I took your previous reply a bit too personally. As you can see, I took "a day off" to cool my head (well, I actually forgot to check, but it's a good excuse as any...).
Lol, the original design is kinda funny. Even the one for the X86000(?) version is funny. It would be a very different style from the movies of recent. A "barbarian" amiss the elegant European past and American present. Though, is that style consistent with the historical 1600s (I think that's Simon's time period)?Don't worry about it- I've taken things way too seriously before to, so I totally understand why you would be a bit... "zealous" in some cases. Happens to the best of us. If you look at the older Castlevania designs, they don't really go with any clothing designs that are well known within Europe around those times. Heck, in the original Rondo of Blood, Richter looked more like a ninja than a traditional 18th century vampire slayer. xD In a sense, even though Kojima's art is a bit more... let's say romantic- it seems a bit closer to European clothing at that time- or at least that can be said of her designs for games that take place after the 1700s. I can't really say much for Simon since I doubt someone who's going to go slay a super-vampire, so to speak, wanders in with one of his shoulders and his neck exposed. xD I still really like it, though.
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Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 2:44 pm
Unless I'm mistaken the movie is actually going to be about Trevor Belmont, not Simon. Although they basically have the same design so the question isn't invalid. I don't think they'll use either, they'll probably design a custom costume for him.
On the Toriyama note, it's actually not just the American's that eat up his art. Dragon Quest is almost more popular than Final Fantasy in Japan, and his works are usually loved in more than just a couple countries. I agree has run out of ideas for a while, but his art isn't terrible. Overrated maybe, but a few things that can be said for his artwork are:
-It's very clear (you can always tell what you're looking at)
-It's memorable (anyone can recognize his work)
-It has the potential to be very expressive
and being biased is the least of Nintendo Power's problems. Besides having no substance (there's just nothing in that magazine worth reading or seeing), it's basically just a giant advertisement for nintendo (related) products. And they don't even ship consistently! My friend subscribed to get the Zelda Collector's disc, and only 3 of the 6 volumes ever came!
PS: On the craziness of the dinosaurs and anthros in DB, the manga was initially much more comedy than action, so the weird mix was sort of a running gag (In the very first scene it says long long ago, deep in the wilderness etc, and the next thing you see is Bulma in a hovercar), and by the time it became more action oriented it was too late to just remove. Not that he'd want to, he loves the craziness.
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Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 10:24 pm
IMDB It is the year 1691... The land of Transylvania has been at peace for 100 years now, and the peasants and villagers have begun to purge their minds of the memories of the times when the lands were dominated by chaos and shadows, and when the undead walked the earth. However, there are those that remember that the evil Count Dracula returns every 100 years to plague the land, bringing with him the forces of Hell. Thus, one evening, the Prince of Darkness rises and returns to Castlevania, his ancestral home, calling forth his minions to purge the world of human flesh. The people cry out for a hero - someone to defend them from the evil desires of the count. Thankfully, they don't have to look very far, for within the land of Transylvania the Belmont line still lives, as Simon Belmont, great-grandson of Christopher Belmont, takes up the legendary whip called the Vampire Killer, and sets forth on his journey through the darkened countryside to the dark lord's castle. Upon arrival, the young man fights his way through legions of zombies, gigantic bats, and even faces Death himself, but in the end, he makes it to the Count and in a battle to end all battles, he comes out the victor. The price? The evil master places a curse of death upon Simon, which will lead him into a long and dangerous journey in the very near future. If we can't trust the IMDB for information about movies, then the world is truly a sad place. On my own note for Toriyama, I can easily say the things that I and many others notice: -It's very repetitive, and leaves much to be desired. -It's often forgettable, unless you mention characters. And even then, there's nothing that memorable. -Every artform has the potential to be expressive- it's just that his doesn't seem to do that unless the expression he's trying to get across is "Give me more money, please." I, too, can't stand Nintendo Power. It is Nintendo's own propaganda, used to trash anything and everything that doesn't have the same stale Nintendo franchises or insanely popular systems.
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Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 10:41 pm
Well I gotta admit I have a love/hate relationship with DBZ/Akira Toriyama, on one had I loved DBZ and DB but on the other hand alot of stuff got on my nerves. Mostly like I mentioned before, I enjoyed some of the comedy of the original Dragonball but I saw DBZ before so I kinda went backwards so I didnt enjoy it as much as I would as I would see DB first, I excepted it to be all badass saiyan fireballs and stuff and I was like WTF sillyness, dinosaurs, anthros (which btw I wouldnt mind at all if the show WAS all about Anthros, I actually loved Samurai Pizza Cats and Sonic), and stuff, hell is like taking THIS seriously http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQwERT7XQJA It eventually kinda grew on me though just sucks the american version wasnt shown too (I mean dragonball, not z) much and was highly altered, heck my friend and I had discussions about why the Spanish version pwned the American version rofl But yeah overall I like DBZ but I like to rip on it sometimes, I just wish they would've been more fair with the art judgement in magazines and Akira's work in general, I mean it's not really bad, its enjoyable and the games he made art for and the anime he made are great but by all means isnt the BEST in the world like some fanboys/girls make it out to be mad as for Nintendo Power, never read it so I wouldnt know rofl as for Castlevania stuff I got no idea why Simon and Trevor looked so much alike in design, its nice that Ayami Kojima made them look different with her recent artwork biggrin
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 3:29 am
I can only say one thing (back onto movieness). If they do make this movie then I just hope to hell that its good, better than good, I mena with all the cheesy Belmont lines and the crappy Dracula and everything that makes it Castlevania.
If they don't I'm gonna
gonna
............cry... crying
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 10:48 am
I'm pretty sure Hollywood has learned from their mistakes in the past......at least I hope sweatdrop
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:04 pm
Jinzouki I'm pretty sure Hollywood has learned from their mistakes in the past......at least I hope sweatdrop Well, we can always hope. I personally thought Silent Hill wasn't bad (and I'm excited about the second one coming out), so maybe they ARE learning- then again, Silent Hill was directed by Christophe Ganz. Well, let's look at the trend of recent Video Game movies. Silent Hill wasn't bad, and I haven't seen Hitman. Resident Evil: Extinction was a crap chute and, coincidentally, was written by the same man that's going to be doing the writing for the Castlevania movie! D:
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:01 pm
Well it's still a while till the actual movie, either way, can't turn out worse than the DBZ movie rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl
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Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:20 pm
Jinzouki Well it's still a while till the actual movie, either way, can't turn out worse than the DBZ movie rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl I hope you know that now that you said that, the movie's going to be a huge stinky flop- like Freddy vs. Jason. xD
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Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:06 pm
Why would it fail harder now that I said that? Either way I liked the Friday the 13th movies and Nightmare of Elm Street Movies but it pretty much failed when put together. I even heard they were gonna throw in Pinhead from Hellraiser in earlier scripts rofl Filmmakers need to know VS movies are usually a TERRIBLE idea gonk Unless of course they're either 50 feet tall (Godzilla vs. Mothra), Classic Universal Monsters (Frankenstein vs. the Wolfman), or are Aliens & Predators (Alien vs. Predator) ⊙_⊙
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Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:07 pm
I was joking. xD Though, now you did jinx it- Castlevania is going to reek AND IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT! D<
I personally hate VS movies in general. It almost feels like wandering into the VGD Forum in real life. See, Godzilla was better in that their "versus" movies are actually meant to coincide. xD
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 1:53 pm
Just a quick note, what I mean by memorable is the style, you can always tell it's his artwork, you can't really confuse it ninja
On the movies note I don't think there will be a general increase in VG movie quality, because in the business aspect there's nothing to fix. They make money thus they are a success (For the most part... Uwe Boll is another matter).
I hate to disagree btw, but I can't stand AVP... As a huge Alien fan, I'm practically injured watching those films. The other stuff in the franchise (comics, games and whatnot) can be hit or miss, but those live actions are devastatingly terrible imo. The head of WY became a good guy, a half naked chick survives the antarctic, and Predator taught man how to build... Unforgivable. crying
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:33 pm
Shi_Yatsu Just a quick note, what I mean by memorable is the style, you can always tell it's his artwork, you can't really confuse it ninja On the movies note I don't think there will be a general increase in VG movie quality, because in the business aspect there's nothing to fix. They make money thus they are a success (For the most part... Uwe Boll is another matter). I hate to disagree btw, but I can't stand AVP... As a huge Alien fan, I'm practically injured watching those films. The other stuff in the franchise (comics, games and whatnot) can be hit or miss, but those live actions are devastatingly terrible imo. The head of WY became a good guy, a half naked chick survives the antarctic, and Predator taught man how to build... Unforgivable. crying I'll give you that: his obvious art style is easy to pin-point as his. sweatdrop In some ways, that's a good thing. As for Video Game Movies, they don't make quite as much money as most people think. Don't get me wrong: they're not huge stinky flops, but they don't make nearly enough money to be considered a big success. Eventually, the people green-lighting these movies will realize this and work to make something of quality instead of something to feed the fans. I agree with you (for the most part) about AVP. I wouldn't call myself a HUGE Alien fan, but I am an Alien fan nonetheless. If someone follows the extra media (as it seems you do), it seems that AVP can hardly be considered canon.
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