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 Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 10:51 am
Well, Rockman, yes, the penalty of fornication is/(was?) death; in the case of marriage, they can choose to be divorced. It's not necessarily a must for the latter, but I personally would do it.
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Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 11:04 am
As I understand it ... let's not say "fornication". Let's call it what it is, in modern terms, and break it down a bit.
Just plain extra-marital sex, penalty is death.
Cheating on a spouse, the spouse could request divorce.
All I know for certain is, Christ Himself said that God disapproved of divorce, except in cases of marital infidelity.
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Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 11:17 am
Yeah, ok, in my post, change fornication to adultery.
You explain things a lot better than me, 'Bait. sweatdrop
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Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 11:22 am
Not really. I just try to break it down further.
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Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 1:29 pm
How about abuse or chronic alcoholism, or both?
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Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 1:32 pm
Lol I'm not trying to be difficult, sorry, I"m just.....curious. I am actually the product of a third marriage....first guy drank and stole from her and cheated, next one left when she became handicapped. He was all, no, I can't be married to you, and proceeded to drink, swear a whole lot, and kick her and my sister out. I've always wondered about divorce though.
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Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2005 7:53 pm
You and I are a lot alike in some ways lymelady. I also would like to know what God thinks about abuse? and alcoholism. I am the product of one marriage but my father was very abusive towards my mother, my sister and I. My mother claims that he cheated on her at one point and time but my father denies it. I'm not sure who to believe. Anyways, my mother divorced my father when I was in the 6th grade and she is now remarried. I read in the book of Matthew where Jesus is teaching his disciples on a hill. One of the things he talks about is adultery and how divorcing and remarring is a way of committing adultery. Does that mean that my mother has committed adultery?
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 12:57 pm
Angel Serene You and I are a lot alike in some ways lymelady. I also would like to know what God thinks about abuse? and alcoholism. I am the product of one marriage but my father was very abusive towards my mother, my sister and I. My mother claims that he cheated on her at one point and time but my father denies it. I'm not sure who to believe. Anyways, my mother divorced my father when I was in the 6th grade and she is now remarried. I read in the book of Matthew where Jesus is teaching his disciples on a hill. One of the things he talks about is adultery and how divorcing and remarring is a way of committing adultery. Does that mean that my mother has committed adultery? I have no clue, maybe only God knows that....
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 1:16 pm
From how I've been explained of it on Biblical terms..it is only right enough that a person may divorce and remarry only if it was under circumstances that the 'other' was the adulterer..I'd have to relook at that and see what I can remember, sweatdrop
Otherwise, that's all up to God realleh..
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 2:43 pm
sweatdrop I see. Do you think it was wrong of her to leave my father in the first place? I mean I wanted them to divorce but is that bad?
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 6:09 pm
I think if he was abusive, she did what she had to do to protect herself and her children. I'm no expert, I just feel more inclined to, it's defensive and when it comes down to your children being in danger, you need to do all you can to get them safe. Life musta been much more simpler when people didn't live so long. Lol. Nana's 99, but she still worries about her mother. Every so often I'll come in and find her crying and she'll say, "What if my mother can't be with Daddy?" because her mother was his second wife...his first died. She's so worried that her mother will never be with her father in heaven. I dunno how eveyone in the world sees heaven, but she sees it as being with her loved ones again, and she worries so much that her father will love his first wife better.
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 9:37 pm
hey all...... just dropping in to say hi and all that... have had a lot going on with my son recently... parent teachers conferences didn't go so well this time. my son won't repeat anything or do anytning for the speech therapist there... I personally think for whatever reason.. he just doesn't really like her. but then, there are people here in real life who are of a stern opinion that he might not talk for anyone but me for a good while to come. but, i've been reading to him more.. and picked up a pack of baby einstein language flash cards.. holding them up and saying what they are. and the other night, we had a big time breakthrough.. adn he's repeating a few things.. so, hopefully some of what we've been working on can carry over to school. potty training still hasn't happened. i was trying to work on that.. but i just test him on it here and there. i"m currently working with him to desensitize him to his recent problem with water. a few months back.. he started freaking out about bathtime. don't know where that one came from...
Um... I felt teh spirit of the Lord leading me back to a writing/card ministry i had many years ago.. and i started dipping into that already.. but, i found this paper. and it was an article about some homeless charity thing going on around me locally. well, not in my town... but not too far. and this is a ministry that was put in my heart when i was 17.. and, it's interesting how the tip for it just came to me. I feel the Lord is leading me to get involved.. just been too lazy to set up some interviews with people in charge over there. and, with work hours so cut back right now... it's a great time to do it.
want to say hi to lyme smile 3nodding you are ever an encouragement.
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Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 3:30 am
See this is why I act as I do..and people wonder why..just pointing out the little things.
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Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 8:27 am
Nice you've got a breakthrough, that must be wonderful. biggrin Maybe the therapist frustrates him....that's how my brother always ended up not cooperating. If someone intimidated him or patronized or critisized him, he just refused to cooperate. Maybe since you're his mother, he's safe with you, and not angry, scared, confused, and all that, he feels comfortable enough to talk. Maybe he's afraid of the drain, for the water, I spent many nights huddled at the far end of the tub so it wouldn't suck me in. And babysat many kids who went to the extreme and ran out of the bathroom, naked, wet, and screaming. My neighbors came home once right after I'd started the bath and so he and his wife walk in, nice suits from wherever they'd gone to dinner, "We're home!" and their younger son comes bolting out of the bathtub, soapsuds and all, and lept into his father's arms. I told them to keep the money from babysitting to pay for the drycleaning, but he took one look at me and said, "No, I'll let you take it so that you won't be scared to come back here next time." Guess he knows his children.....lol. Love them to death, but they've got way too much energy. They should be a commercial for the energizer bunny. Glad things are going sorta well, sorry the meetings didn't exactly make your day. Hope things start getting better. Pointing out little things is great, though. Makes the world a more interesting place and gives people things to think about. And talk about. But then, if we stop talking, we might do something dangerous, like thinking. So what happens when you do both?  Hope everyone's doing okay today.
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Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 8:47 am
I love your personal emoticons lyme....
man. well, lately, I am starting to feel a desire to go back to church. Hopefully when i start going again, the efforts aren't sullied like they were last time. but, I'm still deciding if I want to go back to my old church.. or find one of the other ones in teh same organization. I heard a lot of people who left the troy church went over to the centerline one with pastor Leeman. Dang, the Leeman's in our church organization are huge family. But, i heard Bruce Leeman of teh Centerline church really is a good pastor. Man, i thought when what's his name [escapes me at the moment] took over pastorship of troy when pastor reed passed away; he had such zeal and was aiming to get troy back on track.. bleh. those people haven't really gotten any better. they only get worse.. and they get all politically correct in there. they've found new ways to label the same old hurtful thigns they used to do with new terminology. but they are really just do the saem stuff. I do visit from time to time. I want a church teh way Troy was when i first started there.
but yeah.. I really been in the mood to hear other people's testimonies lately.
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