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Lecu

PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 8:47 am


I think I have the flu. crying
PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 8:48 am


Malaryush
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For the record, my kitty is cuter than all other kitties.
NEVAH!!
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surprised CUTE KITTY NUMBA FOUR!!

Ichijou Karen


Ichijou Karen

PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 8:59 am


Akimbo
I think I have the flu. crying

Feel better! I COMMAND IT! scream

Funny story:

Last night, at DDR
*Kin is 'dancing all alone' (HAHAHAHAHAHA!), and some little black child comes up and starts dancing on the other stange*
Little Black Child: Lookit me! Lookit me! Ah'm dancin!!
Kin: .... *Focused*
LBC: ... *Dances and stomps more* DANCIN!!
Kin: ....
Other people: GET OFF THE DAMN STAGE!
LBC: *gets off the stage, and walks up to a chair. Drags it over behind empty stage. Hops onto the chair* OMFG! Look at dis cool move! *Hops over the bar*
Kin: ....
LBC: ... *Moves the chair behind Kin's stage, and hops onto Kin's back forcing her face first into the screen at the end of the song*
Other people: eek
LBC: eek sweatdrop *Scampers off*
Kin: *Raises hands into the air* HENCEFORTH! I CONDEMN ALL THE LITTLE CHILDREN TO LEAVE THIS PLACE AND GO ONTO THE TRACKS OUT BACK! Thank you. *Goes off to see if anything's broken*


People were ragging on my choice of words for the rest of the night sweatdrop
PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 10:03 am


Kinetic Double
Funny story:

Last night, at DDR
*Kin is 'dancing all alone' (HAHAHAHAHAHA!), and some little black child comes up and starts dancing on the other stange*
Little Black Child: Lookit me! Lookit me! Ah'm dancin!!
Kin: .... *Focused*
LBC: ... *Dances and stomps more* DANCIN!!
Kin: ....
Other people: GET OFF THE DAMN STAGE!
LBC: *gets off the stage, and walks up to a chair. Drags it over behind empty stage. Hops onto the chair* OMFG! Look at dis cool move! *Hops over the bar*
Kin: ....
LBC: ... *Moves the chair behind Kin's stage, and hops onto Kin's back forcing her face first into the screen at the end of the song*
Other people: eek
LBC: eek sweatdrop *Scampers off*
Kin: *Raises hands into the air* HENCEFORTH! I CONDEMN ALL THE LITTLE CHILDREN TO LEAVE THIS PLACE AND GO ONTO THE TRACKS OUT BACK! Thank you. *Goes off to see if anything's broken*


People were ragging on my choice of words for the rest of the night sweatdrop
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Lecu


Lecu

PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 10:26 am


I start orientation tomorrow at 7:00AM. sweatdrop
PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 11:23 am


Streamjumper
Slayers cities are close together, you can walk from one to another in less than one day, which can easily place Raywing speed at less than a hundred miles an hour, and its full speed doesn't maintain full maneuverability. Also, its primary benefit in evasion seems to be mainly that you're given an extra dimension to dodge in, not any incredible boost to over dodging abilty from a standstill (the default movement level for Lina when she's casting spells airborne unless she's on one of her strafing runs).

A hundred is still pretty damn fast, and against a grappler, all you need to do is get out of their way, which means full speed in any direction except at them is still good enough. Remember, Lina's not a fighter, her main tactic is to get some space and then start casting like mad. She only ever pulls her sword out when dealing with obviously pathetic bandits, and that's only ever really because Gourry's right next to her taking all of the hits, and dealing out the ownage.

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He's also not one to let his opponent get too far away during a fight, losing his ability to defeat them and give him the chance to gloat. And you have to admit, the initial bid for distance of the Levitate or Raywing would look just like that.

The question is whether or not Ranma can figure out this at the very beginning. Now, there's no set situation, but in all likeliness, Lina starts this fight because, while Ranma's perfectly content to be a total jackass to women, he doesn't hit them, so Lina gets pissed, does something. Ranma dodges, does something stupid (probably a showy thing, like running up to her and making an insult), which would showcase his speed talent. Remember, Ranma doesn't hit girls, he underestimates them like mad, and he's slow on the uptake (a fighting genius, yes, but a very slow boy he is). Lina can get in a Raywing if she fights smart, and moves out of Ranma's range to nuke him.

Of course, do recall that if she does move but not fully out of Ranma's range, she's not going to immediately start casting the DS, she'd continue with her normal tactics, regular level spellage. Which means Ranma jumps and knocks her down. Now, recall, it takes a lot to make Ranma eager to end a fight without showing off to the point where his opponent submits. Ranma fights to beat his opponent's minds, not their body (every fight he has with his rivals are almost always orchestrated to prove Ranma's superiority to their minds, the beatings are just there to show it). That is where I think this fight will bend in Lina's favour. Lina is, while not completely above the mental domination, far more eager to just knock her opponents into submission off the get go. So, it would seem, to my knowledge, that after Ranma knocks Lina out of the air the first time, he'll pause to gloat, which gives her time to move FAR out of his range, and then start the orbital nukage.

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Additionally, Lina's a girl, he can't just run up and hit her, he doesn't do that, he'd try to find some way to disable her without hitting her, and that'll be a huge problem because the moment Lina realizes the danger that Ranma possess (which would be fairly quickly since she can usually tell a good fighter on sight... Gourry being an exception because he's got jellyfish brains).


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True, he wouldn't begin the fight with a quick beatdown, but neither would Lina begin with an immediate retreat to nuking distance. As a matter of fact, her initial strike is usually a fireball, something easily dodged.

Would obvious use of ranged magic make our boy reassess the danger this girl presents? Furthermore, would it stop him from using his other tricks to attempt to disable her until she made it clear to him that a beatdown was required? He has beaten down girls for things as trivial as food before... hence the Shampoo mess.

Indeed, Lina is almost as showy a fighter as Ranma, but she's slightly more practical.

I believe Shampoo's really the only girl he actually hits without substantial provocation, and that's only because he was under the impression that he'd get free food. Also recall that he really didn't hit her to hurt her, just to knock her off the log. Every other girl he's perfectly content to just dodge around her attacks, mock, maybe a weak little poke somewhere, and then he gets smacked into orbit (probably because he lets his guard down). Ranma's got a very weak record against women, he tends to lose more often then not, mostly because he just can't take them as a serious threat without substantial beating.

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Ra Tilt, like all the astral attack spells, cannot harm humans according to Slayers Canon. Astral attack spells only harm the Monster race and those infused with their power. No monster or no contract = no damage. It functions on the fact that monsters don't truely exist on the same plane as humans, they are always in the astral plane, dealing with the physical plane through the use of bodies created by their powers and containing a bit of their essence.

Ahh, I never really paid much attention to the spells usage, they tend not to explain them too much. And I also vaguely recall somebody using the Ra Tilt on the slayers cast, though I could just be mixing people up again.

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She can alter her spells, but not on the fly. She generally takes time between combat to make the changes unless she has a powerful item like the Sword of Light she can infuse the spell into.

Again, it's never showcased, the spells, when used, tend to have a variable effect. Of course, the varying effects tend to be shown in different episodes or chapters, so you could be right, but do recall, she does have the amulets of Mazoku blood which do count as fairly powerful amplifiers.

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True, but without money on the line or monsters to defeat, the DS isn't usually a first resort. The few times she hauls it out as a first strike are almost all upon finding out that she's been tricked or scammed. Hell, even Naga doesn't get the DS dropped on her without good reason, and Lina's done far worse to her than anyone outside the monster race.

Well, that's the problem. Lina's pretty liberal on what is and isn't a good reason. She has nuked towns before just to get rid of minor threats, not that anybody every really dies from those, though I suspect that's just because the writer wanted to keep Slayers a very light hearted series. And also recall, the times that she does use the DS as a first strike are rarely against major threats but against bandits, or thieves, or scammers who she's got a grudge against.

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And given that Ranma will have no problem heaping the verbal abuse on her, its less an issue of him outwaiting her and more an issue of what she'll do when she's finally raving mad. Will it lead to a DSing or a strafing run. If its a strafing run, its over.

Let's face it, the very first comment out of Ranma's mouth is going to be about Lina's breasts, and that's pure DS level nukage if there ever was one for Lina.

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And I'd like to thank you for the only good debate I'll likely have on this topic... already people are pulling out Astral Break and Ra Tilt in the main thread... in addition to counting a forced transformation to boy Ranma a retreat/forfeit.

Always a pleasure.

And Lina has no water spells. The best she has is an ice spell, and Ranma's not stupid enough to fall for vaporization trick.

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I don't think that Ranma would dominate this fight, but I do think that defeating the people in the main thread will be simple.

Personally, I think best way Lina would win would be if she knew he was a guy and used her innocent act to maneuver for a crippling blow when he was off guard, but when they said girl type....

It's in my belief that Ranma's going to start the fight with insults and be stupid enough to underestimate Lina and get his a** nuked.

WhiteJoker
Crew


WhiteJoker
Crew

PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 11:29 am


I'll take your word on the spell mechanics of the Slayers universe, only because it's been a long time since I bothered reading up on them, and my memory is absolutely dreadful with details.

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As for her uber-spells, she only casts them while on solid ground. At least I have never seen Lina cast a DS while using Raywing. And yes, Lina does know a way to shortcut her spells, even the Dragon Slave...

"Darkness beyond twilight. Crimson beyond blood that flows...etc etc. DRAGON SLAVE!" (exact quote from the anime, in Slayers NEXT)

There also are a few examples in Next where she just shouts out "Dragon Slave" and does the spell. Not many, but a few.

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But, most of Lina's spells require a moment to concentrate. Girl type Ranma is fast enough to dodge the smaller offensive spells that Lina could toss off, so she would HAVE to use her bigger spells. The more powerful a spell, the longer it takes to cast. And if Ranma is constantly attacking Lina, she can't get her bigger spells off.

Really, the only way that Ranma would ever resort to taking Lina seriously is if they're fighting in the middle of a populated area and Lina doesn't bother aiming her spells at uninhabited objects. It could happen, and that's probably the only thing that'll make Ranma ignore the fact that Lina's a girl, because people are in danger, and Ranma is nothing if not honourable when innocent lives are at stake (recall when Akane got her hair chopped off by Ryouga, Ranma went ballistic).

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Lina would have to use Raywing, and then DS the entire area. That's about the only way Lina could win. The only thing that would save Lina is distance. And that's if Lina actually gets a chance to cast Raywing...

She probably will, mostly because Ranma's way too mouthy to bother thinking about the consequences of mouthing off. Though I believe that she does have a few alternatives to winning, she does have a very formidable list of spells, and she isn't a slouch in the tactics division (nowhere near Ranma's level, but she's not bad).
PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 12:31 pm


*Lurk*

Kyyrao


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 12:32 pm


Is anybody else having a problem with the cluster server? confused
PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 12:32 pm


Gaia time keeps getting further and further ahead... sweatdrop


Shoujo Phoenix

Captain

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Shoujo Phoenix

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 12:33 pm


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Is anybody else having a problem with the cluster server? confused
Seems to be working alright for me.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 12:33 pm


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Is anybody else having a problem with the cluster server? confused
Nope.. confused

Lecu


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 1:59 pm


Akimbo
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Is anybody else having a problem with the cluster server? confused
Nope.. confused
It doesn't like me. =(
PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 2:06 pm


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Akimbo
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Is anybody else having a problem with the cluster server? confused
Nope.. confused
It doesn't like me. =(


It reset my clock to GMT - 8 hours earlier, don't know if that's what you mean.

Maiawick


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 2:09 pm


Maiadorn the White
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Akimbo
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Is anybody else having a problem with the cluster server? confused
Nope.. confused
It doesn't like me. =(


It reset my clock to GMT - 8 hours earlier, don't know if that's what you mean.
The pages just won't load. It's making me REAL mad.
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