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Well, you'd need an extra judge if done that way, anyways..

So I guess right now you guys are improvising.

The fact that you and Sokoya are working together (let alone anyone in this community) is even harder to understand.

Yeah I didn't say that, btw.

just in case.

Let it be known.

I hate everyone.

Everyone.

Man. To be honest with you, I've had one'o them.. what do you call 'em. An existential crisis? Yeah, that's the ticket.

But backreading this thread has completely turned me on my feet again. Made me realize how boss I am.

Though I do have to bring up a question out of idle curiosity: I'm peeking over the grading rubric here while I don't post the HoH finals stages because I enjoy making them suffer and, I can't help but notice how steep the penalties outweigh the positive categories.

Highest positive base category: 3 points.
Highest bonus point category: 1 point.
Average of positive point influences: 2.2 points.

Highest negative point penalty: -5 points.
Average of negative point influences: -4.34 points.

Total potential positive points: 10 (unless the bonus can go over the cap, then 11.)

Total potential negative points: 13. (This is assuming graded categories like damage, tactics, etc. cannot themselves go negative.)



Then, factor in you obviously won't score very high in the base positive categories if you're accruing the penalties, and you won't have access to the (singular) positive bonus point structure...

...plus add in how vague and subjective some of the penalties are, e.g.



...this is an almost humorously stacked grading scale. And this is of course, assuming no one's stupid enough to go negative scores for actual base positive categories e.g. damage, tactics, etc.

I'm all for stomping out dickbags, but this looks like it's way too easy to abuse to create Mein Führer Vintrict moments, especially since there's absolutely no indication of how the severity of bad behavior relates to the point loss (just a vague connotation, a judge can easily start at -3 instead of -1 and work their way up based off how it is written.)

Penalties are supposed to be utilized to discourage poor behavior, not erase contributors from existence.




So good work. I'll adopt this system at once for HoH 2013. I can imagine the tears now. Mmhmhmhmhm.

I can see the point you are making.

I mean obviously I participate in every GTB, HOH and whatever tournament knowing its gonna be competitive. I know how to be competitive and I know how to deal with it. I also have always enjoyed it. As the guy who was doing the MMA thing early as hell, I liked using logic and my knowledge of martial arts to force people to lose.

My problem really was, that I just wasn't on the line but it wasnt even on the line of being stupid and ridiculous to win. I was just on the tip that, my knowledge, my experience, meant that Sieg Ecstuffuan should essentially never lose.

It was fun as hell for a while. Then it was like...ehhh, been there done that. Also for my troubles, people really weren't that interested in roleplaying with me after it was all said and done. Fighting wise especially.

Nobody wanted to fight Sieg ecstuffuan, because it was just gonna be me writing out a manual about jujitsu on them and explaining why they can't breath or why I broke a limb.

So while yes, I do enjoy it Deitric. Like I said I am trying to win in our match in the GTB, and its extremely fun, you are like one of my favorite people to have roleplay fights with. Because it is challenging, because I know I can't just steam roll you into submission. So I have to think, and its fun.

I just think that, a lot of times finding that line for people is hard. Because it was for me.

It takes a lot of maturity and critical thinking to do RP fighting like we do it. When people are still just learning about this hobby, I think its an easy way to get distracted from how this really ought to be done. At least the way we do it now.

Like KB said, me and KB went in this GTB and just kind of did the damn thing. However I think me and him kind of are on the same wavelength's as far as things go.

Ultimately we want this kind of RP to accessible to different people. Not even necessarily to new people, just maybe people who never thought of trying this sort of thing before.

I'm just still not convinced that this is the best way to do things for that purpose of really seeming like a community that focuses on that engaging entertaining action oriented RP.

Though like I said before, I don't have the answer.

My issue with that is that, it is exceedingly rare someone only perform "negative" actions in a category.

Like, again harkening another tournament, there's been one of dozens of individual fights last HoH that might've had one truly 100% unrepentantly negative-impacting action. A guy who could arguably get a negative damage score, because he not only never harmed his opponent, but went out of his way to stop his opponent from harming himself and healed him.



Nothing close has happened in GTB VI so far, much as I've read. People did varying levels of well, but just because their plans didn't pan out, or their attempts at attacks faltered, hardly means they essentially took a negative plane of action. Know what I mean?

I mean if it is plausible to get negative scores in the individual categories, the scale's retardedly dipping favoring negative values. I.E. it's easier to get a score at or below 0 than it is to get a score above it.

And the rest bonus is only favored because it rewards you for passive action (I'm asleep, I'm at work, etc. so I can do this to benefit me then too), not because it lets you get off it.

WoW sucks cocks anyway. Needs to bring back the glory days of world PVP.

Releasing scores when I get home from work.

Justice.