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 Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 3:17 pm
The 8th level of hell uses c-span as a form of torture
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Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 4:42 pm
Id also like to add my two cents about WW2. We droped those bombs in an atempt to prevent a land invasion, which as far as we knew, would have been much deadlier. Of course, in light of the revlations about the fallout radiation that warped so many Japanese people, our efforts to use a single show of brute force to change the ideals of the Japanese was nulified in that the "single brute force" was followed by years and years of regretable and horrific consequences, that as far as I am aware historically, we had no idea about.
The Japanese were and are an extemely proud people. They would have fought tooth and nail at an incoming and invading force of Americans, their will to fight being surged onward with each individual loss of life, completely blinding them to the "big picture." What the droping of the bombs attempted (and succesfully so) to do was to illuminate the peril of the Japanese people to said people. They wouldnt be able to see the forest for the trees if we killed each soldier and armed civilian one by one, but they sure as hell couldnt help seeing the forest when the trees were all scorched under a hellish bombing.
Was it moral to judge lives that way, decide these Japanese die to save the rest? No, but then again war is never really "moral." It was however neccesary to achieve the just and overall "best" solution to the war. Did you know Japanese soldiers held out in those tiny outlying islands for decades before finally surrindering? Imagine the mainland the same way. Imagine an even more impossible Iraq with an even prouder people. A harder Vietnam. The two bombs broke the back and the spirit of the Japanese, turning their "honor" and pride into something absurd and grotesque. That blow destroyed the structure and foundation of their belief systems making it possible for them to surrinder. Even then many high ranking officers refused to surrinder, either attempting a munity or honorable sepeku-esque suicide.
Comparing what the bastards did by destroying those innocent lives on 9-11 to what we remorsefully and forever regretfully had to do at Horishima is an offense to reality if nothing else. We dont claim to have done a noble act, and we arent proud of it either. Those bastards however, hoop and holler with delight to think of innocent Americans' skin burning from the bodies as theyre crushed by walls of soffucating smoke and concrete. Is that the same? Really? You think they regret it, or that theyll even regret it years to come?
Im not even in the slightest patriotic, but funnily enough it really irks me to have people defend senseless and purposed slaughter of innocents.
And by the way Mcphee, go watch C-span Book Channel or whatever if you EVER had a thought they were not biased. I think the only real way to observe the news correctly is to accept its biased and make sure you search out articles indepently. Find as many sources on a given subject and find as many contradictions as well. And make sure to watch that ever present spin. Its all biased because human nature is baised. Its baised by not reporting stories even. Pretty impressive.
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Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 4:48 pm
we rarely target civilians specifically, but if they get in our way, we seem to have very few qualms about killing them. and yes, japans military, what was left of it, may have been willing to fight. but that is no excuse to destroy cities with innocent people. again, it was the same thing as 9/11. we were the terrorists.
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Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 4:59 pm
divineseraph we rarely target civilians specifically, but if they get in our way, we seem to have very few qualms about killing them. and yes, japans military, what was left of it, may have been willing to fight. but that is no excuse to destroy cities with innocent people. again, it was the same thing as 9/11. we were the terrorists. You were throughly pwned and you can't see it. ANy ways, those are your beleifes. What ever floats your boat I suppose.
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Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 5:52 pm
either way, nobody, no country is perfect- we are all the same. we all do stupid things. we all kill civilians, we all fight for the same thing. our actions, even the ignoble, are shown as noble and glorious. those who win the wars write the textbooks. had hitler won WWII, we would be seen as the insurgents, the rebels fighting against equality. in reality, everyone has had their fair share of meaningless blood, some more than others. all humans are human, and unless they opt to die for a country that is simply using them, they should not be killed.
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Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 6:28 pm
Pyrotechnic Oracle Beware the Jabberwock You have though. You claimed earlier that he was driving drunk, they had one witness testify to him having been drinking. He was never charged. Therefore the witness testifying could not have been proof enough to press charges. By stating that someone was driving drunk as though it is truth, when there isn't any proof to back it up is nothing short of slander.
Do I agree with what he did or how he handled things? No. Am I going to delve any deeper into it than that? Probably not. Am I trying to condone his actions? No. Stop getting so damn defensive.
The point you were making is the media, the media is a business, they're going to do what sells period, end of story. It doesn't matter to them if the person they're writing about is liberal or conservative or somewhere inbetween. There is proof. The witness testified after the case was closed. There was nothign his testimoney coudl do at that point. But the testimoney is still there, but not much it can do since the case was closed. And there were four tstifiers. Kennedy himself (c**k and rum by his own words), and three other people. He [kenedy] gave the report several hours later. Enough time to sober up. He never gave them the facts so he was charged only wiht what was on his report, fleeing a cirme scene and failign to immidiatly report an accedent. And I am stating he was driving druink because there really isn't much dought that he wasnt beyond what peopel believe. I'll say it again. You can't have that much alchehole and not get the least bit drunk. Where in my post did I say you were defending him? Where in my posts can it be insinuated that I beleive you are defending him? You are arguing from what you've heard and know, I'm doing the same thing. I don't beleive oyu are defending him. I do however beleive oyu are accepting somehtign with out looking much into things. I've heard what he said, I didn't believe it, and I went lookign for information for and against him. I found that his words and those supporitng him does not fit the investigation. Eh-hem. "LOL, INTERNET!" I never get defensive over the internet. Ho wmuch American TV do you watch Miranda? How many American newspapers do you read? As I've said, I don't knwo how the Canadian media works, but form what I've seen of the American media, the american media is agenda driven. They are not fair and balanced. It is true they publish only what sells, but here in America, what sell sis slanderising the right. I have rarely seen a report on a lifer who wasnt an old, white, heavly conservative male who sounds like he dosn't care about woman. I've rarely seen a report on christions with out soem implication of them wanting to take away rights and subject people to their form of morality. I've rarely seen a reprot on any one form the right wing that was for the right and wasn't moderate with out some form of insultign or insulting being involved. I've heard nothign but praise over liberals and democrats. (Democrats who don't agree with the any thing, or agree very little with republicans) Once again, I'm not sure how things work in Canada, but they are diffrent here in the United States. Assuming the canadian media isn't attackign the right wing (or what ever you call the canadian party that resembles the american republicnas sweatdrop ) at ever cornor that is.
Secondly drunk in the eyes of the law doesn't mean someone is drooling and barfing in the bushes, it means that your blood alcohol level is at a certain point. If Cheney had enough beers to raise his blood alcohol level to a certain point, even if he wasn't incapacitated, he is still legally considered to be drunk.
Thirdly how much American TV do I watch? Try every single channel excluding Much Music, CTV, Global and CBC. Give me a break, American TV is taking over our TV I'm suprised that we have as many channels as we do. I'm not saying that they're not biased over issues, as I'm sure that they are however is a case of someone getting into a car accident and someone shooting someone else, for whatever the reason the news will always pick the shooting first. It's kind of like how if someone is having an extreme asthma attack and someone else got shot in the arm the person who got shot in the arm is going to get treated before the person the person having the asthma attack.
And lastly everyone on every side of the political spectrum claims that the news is biased against their side, especially when it reports something that they don't like. Conservative's claim the news is too liberal, liberal's claim that the news is too conservative; the news is neither one nor the other the news is a business. If being liberal in one article is going to sell they're going to be liberal, if being conservative in another article is going to sell it's going to be conservative.
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Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 3:21 pm
I love the hypocrisy.
Someone who's told a few guys on Abort73 that they can't tell her that her rights wouldn't be violated if abortion was made illegal because they aren't women...is now telling people that abortion the way it is now doesn't violate any rights of men.
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Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 6:46 pm
I hate it when I don't know what to say, which is like, everyday. gonk
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Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 6:58 pm
Akshamala I hate it when I don't know what to say, which is like, everyday. gonk
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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:27 am
Lorysa Akshamala I hate it when I don't know what to say, which is like, everyday. gonk Story of my life...
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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:28 am
Pyrotechnic Oracle The 8th level of hell uses c-span as a form of torture @Mira- I luff j00 and you arguments. biggrin
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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:39 pm
Hey everybody I'm back. I know I just suddenly dropped of gaia for a while, but I really needed to get away. Seems like much hasn't changed, except for a few new people. Anyways I hope everyones doing okay, and have stopped some aborters out there! I know I've been trying to turn some people pro-life lately, but so many are already pro-life in my town that its hard to find choicers(except for my mom, who I don't dare bring up the topic to), and nearly impossible to find anyone who's had an abortion. I hope everyone's doing okay, I kind of missed this guild, the best one on gaia.
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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:47 pm
karllikespies Hey everybody I'm back. I know I just suddenly dropped of gaia for a while, but I really needed to get away. Seems like much hasn't changed, except for a few new people. Anyways I hope everyones doing okay, and have stopped some aborters out there! I know I've been trying to turn some people pro-life lately, but so many are already pro-life in my town that its hard to find choicers(except for my mom, who I don't dare bring up the topic to), and nearly impossible to find anyone who's had an abortion. I hope everyone's doing okay, I kind of missed this guild, the best one on gaia.
I think I'm spending too much time on Gaia, as well. A few days after I joined this guild, I had a dream I was browsing it. In fact, when I looked to the right where the topic-starters names were, I saw yours. xd
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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:43 pm
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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:50 pm
karllikespies Hey everybody I'm back. I know I just suddenly dropped of gaia for a while, but I really needed to get away. Seems like much hasn't changed, except for a few new people. Anyways I hope everyones doing okay, and have stopped some aborters out there! I know I've been trying to turn some people pro-life lately, but so many are already pro-life in my town that its hard to find choicers(except for my mom, who I don't dare bring up the topic to), and nearly impossible to find anyone who's had an abortion. I hope everyone's doing okay, I kind of missed this guild, the best one on gaia. that's awesome, keep it up!
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