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 Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:15 am
Nomad Rath ..Lyn's having weapon weight issues with swords- with her mani katti...? Dorcas and Bartre coming in early in the game is hardly a reason against them. If anything, it makes them easier to level up. I'm not a big fan of axes generally, but I'll take FE7's axe user hit rates anyday. They could be worse. To top it off, if Bartre's getting benched, then Karla's not even going to get recruited to have a chance at being useful. That right there gives Bartre a use, adding to his worth as a unit- he has exclusive ability in recruiting a unit. The unit that comes is mediocre, competes poorly with several others of the same class, and is really late to the party. Plus, she makes it annoying to recruit her. I was actually thinking about the Sol Katti. I don't think she can have problems with the Mani Katti. I also don't really like axe-users. Maybe I'm just unlucky, but the only game I had trouble with axe-users being able to hit was in FE7. I'm not counting Bartre's exclusivity in recruiting Karla as a point in his favor because Karla isn't a unit worth going out of your way to recruit. Unlike Cath, though, you can just skip meeting Karla at all and not miss anything.
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Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 10:46 am
You should try FE6 and see their axe hit rates.
True, unless you're a completionist, or you just HAVE to get all the units, like most fire emblem players are.
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Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:04 pm
Nomad Rath Dorcas and Bartre coming in early in the game is hardly a reason against them. If anything, it makes them easier to level up. I'm not a big fan of axes generally, but I'll take FE7's axe user hit rates anyday. They could be worse. To top it off, if Bartre's getting benched, then Karla's not even going to get recruited to have a chance at being useful. That right there gives Bartre a use, adding to his worth as a unit- he has exclusive ability in recruiting a unit. The unit that comes is mediocre, competes poorly with several others of the same class, and is really late to the party. Plus, she makes it annoying to recruit her. This. Dorcas and Bartre are both quite underrated units, just because they have axes. Best: Raven Hector's cool and all, but he has those really irksome forced promotion times (especially when he'll be last to promote on Hector Mode and HHM), his speed growth can be shaky, and he receives no movement bonus upon leveling up. Meanwhile, Raven has amazing HM bonuses, good availability even if not perfect, pretty awesome base stats for his level, fantastic combat, etc... People know Raven is good. I see no need to explain it away. Being able to promote when you want him to is a really big advantage, too. Worst: Karla
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Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:38 pm
Manic Martini Nomad Rath Dorcas and Bartre coming in early in the game is hardly a reason against them. If anything, it makes them easier to level up. I'm not a big fan of axes generally, but I'll take FE7's axe user hit rates anyday. They could be worse. To top it off, if Bartre's getting benched, then Karla's not even going to get recruited to have a chance at being useful. That right there gives Bartre a use, adding to his worth as a unit- he has exclusive ability in recruiting a unit. The unit that comes is mediocre, competes poorly with several others of the same class, and is really late to the party. Plus, she makes it annoying to recruit her. This. Dorcas and Bartre are both quite underrated units, just because they have axes. Okay... after much internal debate and triple-checking stats and calculations for FE7, I'm changing my worst vote to Karla. However, I still think Bartre is a poor unit. I don't dislike him or Dorcas because they're axe-users; I dislike using them because they start with low Skill, and I always found it hard to actually give them any kills. Karla only gets worst because recruiting her requires Bartre.
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Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:41 pm
Best: Rath
No, I didn't place my vote just to kiss the vice captain's arse. >>; Although I'm aware that Hector is one of the best units, to me, I always feel comfortable to rely on Rath to help me get through certain situation. He may not be as tank as Hector, but he has good speed and resistance to help him evade his enemies. And even if I didn't use much of him in the Lyn's Chapter while leveling up other units, he managed to help me out finishing the enemies quickly after re-recruiting him and became a powerhouse once leveling up.
Worst: Have to agree with everyone about Karla. She comes late to the game and is underleveled for a promoted unit. And like Roy said, you need to level up Bartre in order to recruit her. Although Bartre may be underrated, I don't see him as terrible when leveling him up. Heck, he can easily survive Karla's crit attack without the Iron Shield while wieldiing a bow. >>;
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Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 4:16 pm
??????????? ? ??? ???? ?
Okay, I know that I've given my say about that Rath is one of the top candidates to give the Afa's drops too, along with Nino or Heath, if you're using them, but I'd never go so far as to say best. eek
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Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 4:51 pm
To be frank, I never gave Rath the Afa's Drop, but he still did well to me. =P
But hey, everyone has his/her choice about what's best/worst.
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Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 5:05 pm
Indeed. And while my estimation of Rath as a unit in FE7 is higher than what it used to be, anyone that starts with 2-range only until promotion is automatically out of the race for best by a very substantial margin.
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Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2013 5:33 pm
Despite my love for bows, I'd have to agree. I don't think they suck, one just needs to know how to use them properly, but when we're talking about best, swords generally give a person an advantage and not being able to melee attack can hurt. And he doesn't get those swords until promotion- which, admittedly, he is close to already for bare minimum, when you get him
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Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 2:22 pm
Best: Raven
The thing about Raven is that while he is a force to be reckoned with, his defenses can be a bit iffy, especially his res. He's one of my favorite units in the game, but for that reason I wanted to sit on it a bit more. But on the other hand, his defense and resistance growths aren't that much lower than other combat units. Plus, his hard mode bonuses make him even better. I'm still going to toss a vote his way.
Worst: Karla
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Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 6:06 pm
Guess I missed the best/worst story awhile ago huh... sweatdrop Wish I could've posted earlier but some things been happening lately. But If I was gonna pick I most likely would've went for FE4 as best and FE10 as the worst. And it seems to be the result of it.. But I might as well talk about it a little bit even if it doesn't count anymore. Hope that's not a problem? But yeah, I really loved the pacing in the first generation of FE4. The story definitely took some risks in terms of story telling and I guess that's what I liked about FE4. It was climatic, it could be suspenseful and dramatic, heck there's even tragic and dark elements in the game. And with that FE4 does have some flaws since I do think no game perfect.
I do agree that there's some very dumb moments in FE4. The 2nd generation is kinda where the story falls flat. It's like I felt like this part had potential to be very interesting but in the end it just has issues. Just gonna throw this out there, but yeah... I'm not a big fan of Celice. I actually like some parts and characters of Gen 2 so I'm not exactly a hater or anything of the sort. I shouldn't be talking about characters since story is where it matters, but I just wanted to say that. But despite some of the issues I enjoyed Generation 1 quite a bit for what it's worth.
I don't have much to say about FE10... Everyone pretty much talked about how I felt as a whole. All I can say is that I truly tried to like FE10. But the story is just all over the place. The pacing isn't very good. I mean, I can sort of see what they were trying to do but it didn't do much for me. The gameplay was rather good and I'd be lying if I said I didn't like some of soundtracks in the game.
Now onto this week's topic~
Best: Hmm.. Best unit in FE7 I'd have to say is Raven. He's kinda the only mercenary in FE7. Well, there is Harken but he's a hero and another fine unit he is as well. I really think Pent and Hector are both excellent units too. But man Raven can seriously become amazing! Especially on HHM. (Gotta seriously love those HHM bonuses.)The only trouble he tends to have stat wise is that his luck and resistance can be rather shaky. And his defense isn't really all that high up there but it's still fine.His other stats are generally pretty nice and he'll cap speed and skill pretty well.
Worst: Giving Karla the worst unit of FE7 stamp right now. Barte and Dorcas aren't bad units at all. They come right at the first chapter of Eliwood or Hector's story, so training them shouldn't be that much of an issue. I dunno what's so bad about them? Sure their skill isn't so great at first but within time they do get better. Axe users in FE7 are a heck of a lot better than the ones in FE6 and the FE games before it. I'm not kidding, they are THAT bad.I generally prefer Bartre over Dorcas. FE6 Bartre I can totally understand if anyone doesn't like him. Dorcas may have slightly better skill, but he's less speedy and he'll get doubled by enemies pretty often. Bartre usually gets the job done for me. But that's just me.. So it's cool if anyone feels differently or doesn't like axe users. Recruiting Karla is just tedious. I've already talked about her before, so I don't think there's anything else I need to mention again.
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Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 11:05 am
Well I'm actually not surprised with the results here.
This weeks topic is: Mercenary/Hero (For the case of older games like FE4 & FE5, they just have start with swords and promote to a Hero. Ike doesn't count for this.)
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Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 7:51 pm
Mercenary/Hero is my favorite class, and they deserve more love in bestworstland.
Best: FE11 Ogma
Worst: FE3 Samson. Though I don't know if I'd call any of them I've had experience with really "bad."
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Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 8:17 pm
Best: FE12 Ogma
I was going to pick FE11 Ogma, but due to lack of votes and my desire to create consolidation, I too, will go with FE12 Ogma instead; better to get the best in at all than a squandered tie of some sort. My reasoning for FE11 was primarily because there are fewer characters on his level of excellence whereas FE12's cast of characters to be made good is wider. His good bases are more impressive in FE11 just for how soon he joins as well, I think. But he's beast either way, and he is useful/required for getting Nyna at the end.
Worst: FE11 Samson
Would it be fair to say Priam for terrible availability and technically being a part of the game since you don't pay for him?
Going for FE11 Samson to be safe I suppose
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Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 10:03 pm
Best: I'm also a bit of a sucker for the merc class. xd I really do like raven and all. Holyn's also great in FE4 with that Luna skill of his, but I gotta go with FE12 Ogma. FE11 Ogma was also great too, but I kinda prefer FE12 Ogma a bit slightly. He comes at a pretty good point in the game and you get four other decent units to your arsenal. So he'll actually become very handy to have around even if you don't plan on using him for some reason? But yeah, starts off with nice bases and his growths are fairly good. FE12 Ogma is also involved a bit more compared shadow dragon. Both as a character and the ways he can be used in the game. And besides without him we wouldn't have the ogma archetype. lol
Worst: Definitely picking FE11 Samson. Yup even in FE3 this guy wasn't very good to begin with either. >.>
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