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 Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 6:51 pm
Oh, my God... Snakes on a Plane. crying
I don't have much as to theories why video game movies suck. My biggest theory would be that the directors want an instant "hit", so they pick something that's popular that they know nothing about. Then they get some random screen-writer to come up with a story line so they don't have to hire "big" names and it saves them money. In the end, you end up with something like this:
Director- Here's what we're doing! We're doing a Dead or Alive movie!
Writer- Have you played the game?
Director- I was thinking we'd just base it off of the box-art.
Writer- WORKS FOR ME!!! biggrin
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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:16 pm
It's very simple. VG movies suck for the same reason all movies suck. Money. Simple Americans can't comprehend original content, they only like generic, action packed films. At least that is what the producers believe, and they are the ones funding the movie. So they demand everything to be epic, and slow motion, and retarded, to appeal to as many people as possible. Having a source like Video games is just a bonus since you cash out on the existing fanbase, and don't need much originality. After all, why put any extra effort when you make just as much money not trying at all?
Dragonball is strait up, PURE, Shonen. And shonen is a HUGE market. It also has a very memorable and distinct art style which helps it pop. It's simple design actually helps since you know exactly what to expect. As someone who actually likes certain things in Dragonball, I have say the reason so little happens in an episode is because they're basing a 30 minute story off of a tiny 20 or so page chapter. Dragonball caught up to the source manga in the 80's making what they had to work with VERY limited, and resulting in lots of both filler and watering down. The manga is MUCH shorter and stuff actually happens at a decent pace. Much like anything that catches up to it's source (Naruto, Bleach, Inu Yasha etc.) it can't do the original justice because it's been so watered down.
It's very depressing to see them doing a live action because Dragonball is the farthest thing from belonging in live action. The whole godamn point of the franchise is for completey unrealistic/exaggerated action and silly fantastical humor. There are animal people, DINOSAURS, dragons, space ships, and people that can blow up planets. All at the same friggin time. The masses would be too closed minded to accept that, and it shows in this sad shell of a movie. It's like if Mario Brothers were literally just about 2 plumbers going about their daily lives and murdering their evil Landlord, "Mista Koopa."
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 12:56 am
I personally just disliked Dragon Ball all together- everything from the music, the characters, and the artwork to the story, the pacing, and THE BLOODY ARTWORK. (It's thanks to the artwork that I can't stand some games- or rather it adds on to the reasons why I won't play a game).
In the end, I think it's safe to say we won't see a decent Video Game movie until someone comes along and puts a stop to the trend of lazy film-making. Not to mention the lack of true understanding when it comes to the game-made-film in general.
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:14 am
Shi to be honest I've always hated the fact that the Dragon Ball/ DBZ/ DB GT universe had freaking anthro/animal people and dinosaurs. It made things more unrealistic than it already is. I mean Kamehameha's and other type of projectile fireballs are awesome and badass but you can't be a badass Super Saiyan fighting when you're talking to a dog man and riding a raptor. Looks like Akira Toriyama was hitting the bong when he thought that up gonk Thanks Neph I actually agree with you about the art, and for the same reasons can't stand some games where it was featured gonk I always thought his art was overrated anyway mad Seriously you wanna hear messed up? I used to read some gaming magazine (I thnk it was EGM not sure now since I gave most away at some point) but every month some douche used to send art based on Chrono Trigger, DBZ or other Toriyama based stuff, and won the art of the month, and one month somebody sent a badass Shang Tsung artwork and LOST to freaking Chrono Trigger when it wasnt even that awesomely drawn, I saw this trend going on for months and was gonna send an angry letter calling out their bullshit but never got around to it, only once did I see Chrono Trigger lose in the artwork but only once rolleyes
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:54 pm
Toriyama is vastly overrated- but Americans eat up his artwork as if it was actually considered awesome outside of the good ol' US of A. His designs lack substance. Heck, just look at what he came up with for Dragon Ball Z: Half of the characters wear orange gis that have the exact same symbol on the back. The rest either have those gaudy saiyan uniforms (Including the Ginyu Squad, which makes me go WTF? 'Cause they're not even Saiyans) or some other tacky vestment of some sort that is designed for the sole purpose of making my eyes vomit.
And his work for games isn't much better. He seems to like using common archtypes when designing his characters for games like Dragon Quest since most of the time you end up with the same "Leader with a sword, magic chick, big warrior dude, and other THING". Not to mention he recycles most of his designs. The most notable one at the moment is the fact that he used the exact same hair from one of the characters in DBZ on the main character of DQM: Joker. Tetsuya Nomura may have an accessory fetish, but at least his designs have a substance that I have yet to see in Toriyama's work.
I don't buy into EGM's little art contests since it's a matter of their (very biased) opinions. If someone sends a somewhat decent Master Chief artwork to them, it'll trounce any other decent artwork (even though that's technically MY opinion, but still- the fact that Master Chief artwork won for a loooong time even though half of them had crummy line-art and shading).
It's just such a shame that decent artwork like Ayami Kojima's isn't held in such high regards as Akira Toriyama's or Naoko Takeuchi's. Her artwork is so simple (if you know how to do it), but it has such a detail to it that makes me want to run Toriyama down with a semi, making sure he's hit with EVERY WHEEL (yes, that does include hitting reverse and going over him again). No one I've met has made a decent argument as to why Toriyama's or Takeuchi's artwork is better, though Toriyama's fans seem to like using the argument "LAWL, her artwork is gay."
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:12 am
THANK YOU! crying I am so glad somebody actually agrees with me! crying Some a*****e in middle school was so into Akira Toriyama's art that he considered HIS art to be anime and everthing else not o_O; Seriously when I started getting into Anime art he even drew some to give me an example and it was (a badly) reproduced Akira Toriyama style drawing. He was my friend and all but damn the guy was an idiot in that aspect sweatdrop I like Ayami Kojima's art, she draws very elegantly, to be fair I appreciate most forms of artwork (I studied art in high school) but yeah I try not to be biast with anime styles, or other forms of artwork (but yeah Akira Toriyama's pisses me off mostly cause of stupid fanpeople gonk )
Also thanks for agreeing with me about EGM, I seriously stopped reading those guys, too much bullshit, in fact I just stopped reading gaming magazines all together slowly since the late 90s last good gaming magazine I read was Tips & Tricks and this British gaming magazine I used to get in Canada that had articles based on retro computer and console games (like Amiga, Commodore, NES, Genesis, SNES) and came with a disk that had an emulator and a "newly made" game by an independent developer for that system (or sometimes PC but its made to look all retro)
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 8:06 pm
I work at a gamestore so I still read gaming magazines from time to time to pass... well, the time. xD Unfortunately, it's all so biased.
EGM- Lawl, RPGS SUXXOR!
Nintendo Power- Nintendo's the best system!!!
PSM- 360 SUXXORZ
I try to avoid it, but if it's not the magazines spewing BS at you, it's the readers of said magazines. stare
I also find it hilarious when someone comes in and spews a review at me, acting like it's an absolute fact and not the reviewer's opinion, then acts like I'm some sort of retard for not agreeing with them. xD
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:42 pm
I'd rather they make another Castlevania game instead of a movie. Don't want yet another below avarage plot that doesnt make sense that trys to be like the game type movie....
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 11:08 pm
Roy Campbell I'd rather they make another Castlevania game instead of a movie. Don't want yet another below avarage plot that doesnt make sense that trys to be like the game type movie.... Well, Konami makes money by selling rights to people to use- such as Movie Studios. So, unfortunately, the company has no real say in how the movie is made. I suppose the only silver lining to Video Game movies is that the company that sells the rights gets more money to make more games.
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:53 pm
Nephilimalch I work at a gamestore so I still read gaming magazines from time to time to pass... well, the time. xD Unfortunately, it's all so biased. EGM- Lawl, RPGS SUXXOR! Nintendo Power- Nintendo's the best system!!! PSM- 360 SUXXORZ I try to avoid it, but if it's not the magazines spewing BS at you, it's the readers of said magazines. stare I also find it hilarious when someone comes in and spews a review at me, acting like it's an absolute fact and not the reviewer's opinion, then acts like I'm some sort of retard for not agreeing with them. xD I seldom read game reviews anymore, just when I want a game I want a game I skim through some gamespot and gamefaqs reviews and judge for myself, also I try to use good judgement with videos on youtube surprised you say you work for gamespot? Anyone there ask for Battletoads since November? rofl
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:29 pm
Jinzouki Nephilimalch I work at a gamestore so I still read gaming magazines from time to time to pass... well, the time. xD Unfortunately, it's all so biased. EGM- Lawl, RPGS SUXXOR! Nintendo Power- Nintendo's the best system!!! PSM- 360 SUXXORZ I try to avoid it, but if it's not the magazines spewing BS at you, it's the readers of said magazines. stare I also find it hilarious when someone comes in and spews a review at me, acting like it's an absolute fact and not the reviewer's opinion, then acts like I'm some sort of retard for not agreeing with them. xD I seldom read game reviews anymore, just when I want a game I want a game I skim through some gamespot and gamefaqs reviews and judge for myself, also I try to use good judgement with videos on youtube surprised you say you work for gamespot? Anyone there ask for Battletoads since November? rofl I work for GameSTOP- gamespot is some online site that also does reviews. But even though I'm currently employed at Gamestop, I'm not enjoying myself and I'm actively seeking other employment. I'm just not sure if I can deal with crappy hours (either you get loaded with hours or you get almost none at all), blatant hypocrisy (such as the Game Informer filled with questionable content that we push on everyone, but if we demo an M rated game in the store, we can be fired), and the ESRB stings (Where they take a 16 year old that looks like s/he looks like they're older, and if we don't card them for their M-rated games, we could be fired. stare That's called entrapment, but I guess it's okay since the ESRB isn't a real legal body anyway... stare ). I have had people ask me about the PS4, people that have played the PS5 on their HD-TV (I just laughed at them, because if they knew anything, they'd know that it's only pineapple compatible), and the coveted SUPERWII. Not to mention the people that found the original PS2 comercial on Youtube and thought that the symbolic message about the Playstation's future was 100% fact (I'm speaking, of course, of the people that called my store asking if they could reserve a Playstation 9). In the end, I'm just not sure I can deal with blatant idiots without exploding. -.- As for reviews, the only bright side to my job is checking out games. I can borrow a game from the store (after filling out a tad of paper work) and try it without paying a penny for it, so that saved me a good deal of money.
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 7:38 pm
Nephilimalch Toriyama is vastly overrated- but Americans eat up his artwork as if it was actually considered awesome outside of the good ol' US of A. His designs lack substance. Heck, just look at what he came up with for Dragon Ball Z: Half of the characters wear orange gis that have the exact same symbol on the back. The rest either have those gaudy saiyan uniforms (Including the Ginyu Squad, which makes me go WTF? 'Cause they're not even Saiyans) or some other tacky vestment of some sort that is designed for the sole purpose of making my eyes vomit. And his work for games isn't much better. He seems to like using common archtypes when designing his characters for games like Dragon Quest since most of the time you end up with the same "Leader with a sword, magic chick, big warrior dude, and other THING". Not to mention he recycles most of his designs. The most notable one at the moment is the fact that he used the exact same hair from one of the characters in DBZ on the main character of DQM: Joker. Tetsuya Nomura may have an accessory fetish, but at least his designs have a substance that I have yet to see in Toriyama's work. I don't buy into EGM's little art contests since it's a matter of their (very biased) opinions. If someone sends a somewhat decent Master Chief artwork to them, it'll trounce any other decent artwork (even though that's technically MY opinion, but still- the fact that Master Chief artwork won for a loooong time even though half of them had crummy line-art and shading). It's just such a shame that decent artwork like Ayami Kojima's isn't held in such high regards as Akira Toriyama's or Naoko Takeuchi's. Her artwork is so simple (if you know how to do it), but it has such a detail to it that makes me want to run Toriyama down with a semi, making sure he's hit with EVERY WHEEL (yes, that does include hitting reverse and going over him again). No one I've met has made a decent argument as to why Toriyama's or Takeuchi's artwork is better, though Toriyama's fans seem to like using the argument "LAWL, her artwork is gay."
Then again, Kojima-san is NOT a manga-ka. She has longer deadlines than Toriyama-san/Takeuchi-san ever had. They live off of their weekly series. I've read interviews from CLAMP in their North Side/South Side artbooks, and they complain lightly about meeting deadlines and rushing their art. Heck, even people who do amateur commission pieces complain from time-to-time about deadlines.
I hate it when people who won't even consider an artist's work as even slightly good, or even respectable, and go around calling it names. I say her art can go to the "gay" side, but I do like her work a lot. Then again, I like CLAMP's work, and like all their pictures of men are the same, if not worse in the "gayness".
I myself am not a huge fan of a manga JUST FOR THE ART. I read the story first, the characters second, and the art third. If an artist gets lazy, it'll show up in their story first. Anyone can get attention with art. Humans are a very visual being.
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:31 pm
SoraMee Nephilimalch Toriyama is vastly overrated- but Americans eat up his artwork as if it was actually considered awesome outside of the good ol' US of A. His designs lack substance. Heck, just look at what he came up with for Dragon Ball Z: Half of the characters wear orange gis that have the exact same symbol on the back. The rest either have those gaudy saiyan uniforms (Including the Ginyu Squad, which makes me go WTF? 'Cause they're not even Saiyans) or some other tacky vestment of some sort that is designed for the sole purpose of making my eyes vomit. And his work for games isn't much better. He seems to like using common archtypes when designing his characters for games like Dragon Quest since most of the time you end up with the same "Leader with a sword, magic chick, big warrior dude, and other THING". Not to mention he recycles most of his designs. The most notable one at the moment is the fact that he used the exact same hair from one of the characters in DBZ on the main character of DQM: Joker. Tetsuya Nomura may have an accessory fetish, but at least his designs have a substance that I have yet to see in Toriyama's work. I don't buy into EGM's little art contests since it's a matter of their (very biased) opinions. If someone sends a somewhat decent Master Chief artwork to them, it'll trounce any other decent artwork (even though that's technically MY opinion, but still- the fact that Master Chief artwork won for a loooong time even though half of them had crummy line-art and shading). It's just such a shame that decent artwork like Ayami Kojima's isn't held in such high regards as Akira Toriyama's or Naoko Takeuchi's. Her artwork is so simple (if you know how to do it), but it has such a detail to it that makes me want to run Toriyama down with a semi, making sure he's hit with EVERY WHEEL (yes, that does include hitting reverse and going over him again). No one I've met has made a decent argument as to why Toriyama's or Takeuchi's artwork is better, though Toriyama's fans seem to like using the argument "LAWL, her artwork is gay."
Then again, Kojima-san is NOT a manga-ka. She has longer deadlines than Toriyama-san/Takeuchi-san ever had. They live off of their weekly series. I've read interviews from CLAMP in their North Side/South Side artbooks, and they complain lightly about meeting deadlines and rushing their art. Heck, even people who do amateur commission pieces complain from time-to-time about deadlines.
I hate it when people who won't even consider an artist's work as even slightly good, or even respectable, and go around calling it names. I say her art can go to the "gay" side, but I do like her work a lot. Then again, I like CLAMP's work, and like all their pictures of men are the same, if not worse in the "gayness".
I myself am not a huge fan of a manga JUST FOR THE ART. I read the story first, the characters second, and the art third. If an artist gets lazy, it'll show up in their story first. Anyone can get attention with art. Humans are a very visual being.Actually, Ayami Kojima IS a manga artist, so she actually deals with similar deadlines as Takeuchi and Toriyama. The only difference is that Konami may give her more time to complete some of her works. Even with that being said, Toriyama has been given similar deadlines for his works on games and failed to bring anything new to the table- thus, he sucks. Plain and simple. He does nothing more than recycle designs. I guess we can't totally blame him since Americans are stupid enough to keep buying his work. So, what from a second-rate artist like him deserves my respect? I have to say, you managed to fall into my stereotype of a Toriyama fan quite nicely, calling Kojima's work "gay" right after I had said "though Toriyama's fans seem to like using the argument "LAWL, her artwork is gay," " thus your credibility flies out the window for me. And, last time I checked, I hadn't said anything about Manga until this post, so the fact that you're bringing it up now is rather irrelevant. Is there a point to your final comments, or are you just going off on a tangent? Either way, it serves no purpose to further your own opinion or does anything to alter mine.
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 6:40 pm
Nephilimalch I work for GameSTOP- gamespot is some online site that also does reviews. But even though I'm currently employed at Gamestop, I'm not enjoying myself and I'm actively seeking other employment. I'm just not sure if I can deal with crappy hours (either you get loaded with hours or you get almost none at all), blatant hypocrisy (such as the Game Informer filled with questionable content that we push on everyone, but if we demo an M rated game in the store, we can be fired), and the ESRB stings (Where they take a 16 year old that looks like s/he looks like they're older, and if we don't card them for their M-rated games, we could be fired. stare That's called entrapment, but I guess it's okay since the ESRB isn't a real legal body anyway... stare ). I have had people ask me about the PS4, people that have played the PS5 on their HD-TV (I just laughed at them, because if they knew anything, they'd know that it's only pineapple compatible), and the coveted SUPERWII. Not to mention the people that found the original PS2 comercial on Youtube and thought that the symbolic message about the Playstation's future was 100% fact (I'm speaking, of course, of the people that called my store asking if they could reserve a Playstation 9). In the end, I'm just not sure I can deal with blatant idiots without exploding. -.- As for reviews, the only bright side to my job is checking out games. I can borrow a game from the store (after filling out a tad of paper work) and try it without paying a penny for it, so that saved me a good deal of money. LOL I meant to say Gamestop, just I sometimes type out one when I meant to type the other rofl and with battletoads I meant that its a joke there, some people in november and december said they were gonna flood call some gamestops asking for battletoads, some people did, irritated alot of gamestop workers surprised I believe you that you get those type of questions some people still call every system Nintendo .-_.-
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 6:50 pm
Nephilimalch Actually, Ayami Kojima IS a manga artist, so she actually deals with similar deadlines as Takeuchi and Toriyama. The only difference is that Konami may give her more time to complete some of her works. Even with that being said, Toriyama has been given similar deadlines for his works on games and failed to bring anything new to the table- thus, he sucks. Plain and simple. He does nothing more than recycle designs. I guess we can't totally blame him since Americans are stupid enough to keep buying his work. So, what from a second-rate artist like him deserves my respect? I have to say, you managed to fall into my stereotype of a Toriyama fan quite nicely, calling Kojima's work "gay" right after I had said "though Toriyama's fans seem to like using the argument "LAWL, her artwork is gay," " thus your credibility flies out the window for me. And, last time I checked, I hadn't said anything about Manga until this post, so the fact that you're bringing it up now is rather irrelevant. Is there a point to your final comments, or are you just going off on a tangent? Either way, it serves no purpose to further your own opinion or does anything to alter mine.
What I meant by calling her artwork "gay" was just a generalization I think is objective. I still like her work.
As far as I know, Kojima-san doesn't live off of manga (or weekly/monthly manga series).
Yes, Toriyama-san's work is rather uncreative in his works.
To be more on topic (I guess), would you think they would portray Simon in his "Conan the Barbarian" garbs, or as Kojima-san did for Chronicles?
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