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Tiger of the Fire

PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 9:11 pm


Lorysa
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Lorysa
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Lorysa
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Oh yes, it was funny. I drove my dad crasy with it. So much so that he threw the DVD away and told me we lost it in the move xd


xd I don't know why he didn't like it, especially the fish part.


Mongral Koy....

THATS A HUGE b***h!


And then he drank it... gonk

Oh, and don't forget the beggining, when Deuce was swimming in the huge fishtank. Nothing actually happened there, but the situation was funny to me!


HOLY s**t ITS BIG FOOT!

I relaly think that wa shis only good movie. I didn't liek all the others he was in, well, except Judge Dredd, but I'ma big fan of comic movies and of Sylvestor Stalone.


Hmm!

Just now, I recognised your quotes... wow, that was so good... that woman was huge. xd


Mmhmmm.
PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 9:15 pm


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Beware the Jabberwock
What does that have to do with the media?

Also there's no proof of him being drunk when he was driving. He was charged and convicted (and plead guilty) of leaving the scene of an accident.

Not that it matters because it has nothing to do with the media being liberal or whatever.


No proof? What of his own testoimoney? He later cam eout and stated that he had had quite a few drink before driving, that he had been speeding, and that he was also driving with out a liscence.

And yes, it does have to do with the media being liberal, because when he did come out and say it, they only gave a very small coverage on it. But when d**k and his friend addmeted to have a few beers while hunting (which is not agianst the law in the United States) the media stated that they were both drunk. Neithe man was drunk, perhaps buzzed, but not drunk.


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My fellow citizens:

I have requested this opportunity to talk to the people of Massachusetts about the tragedy which happened last Friday evening. This morning I entered a plea of guilty to the charge of leaving the scene of an accident. Prior to my appearance in court it would have been improper for me to comment on these matters. But tonight I am free to tell you what happened and to say what it means to me.

On the weekend of July 18, I was on Martha's Vineyard Island participating with my nephew, Joe Kennedy -- as for thirty years my family has participated -- in the annual Edgartown Sailing Regatta. Only reasons of health prevented my wife from accompanying me.

On Chappaquiddick Island, off Martha's Vineyard, I attended, on Friday evening, July 18, a cook-out, I had encouraged and helped sponsor for devoted group of Kennedy campaign secretaries. When I left the party, around 11:15 P.M., I was accompanied by one of these girls, Miss Mary Jo Kopechne. Mary J was one of the most devoted members of the staff of Senator Robert Kennedy. She worked for him for four years and was broken up over his death. For this reason, and because she was such a gentle, kind, and idealistic person, all of us tried to help her feel that she still had a home with the Kennedy family.

There is not truth, not truth whatever, to the widely circulated suspicions of immoral conduct that have been leveled at my behavior and hers regarding that evening. There has never been a private relationship between us of any kind. I know of nothing in Mary Jo's conduct on that or nay other occasion -- the same is true of the other girls at that party -- that would lend any substance to such ugly speculation about their character.

Nor was I driving under the influence of liquor.

Little over one mile away, the car that I was driving on the unlit road went of a narrow bridge which had no guard rails and was built on a left angle to the road. The car overturned in a deep pond and immediately filled with water. I remember thinking as the cold water rushed in around my head that I was for certain drowning. Then water entered my lungs and I actual felt the sensation of drowning. But somehow I struggled to the surface alive.

I made immediate and repeated efforts to save Mary Jo be diving into strong and murky current, but succeeded only in increasing my state of utter exhaustion and alarm. My conduct and conversations during the next several hours, to the extent that I can remember them, make no sense to me at all.

Although my doctors informed me that I suffered a cerebral concussion, as well as shock, I do not seek to escape responsibility for my actions by placing the blame either in the physical, emotional trauma brought on by the accident, or on anyone else. I regard as indefensible the fact that I did not report the accident to the policy immediately.

Instead of looking directly for a telephone after lying exhausted in the grass for an undetermined time, I walked back to the cottage where the party was being held and requested the help of two friends, my cousin, Joseph Gargan and Phil Markham, and directed them to return immediately to the scene with me -- this was sometime after midnight -- in order to undertake a new effort to dive down and locate Miss Kopechne. Their strenuous efforts, undertaken at some risk to their own lives also proved futile.

All kinds of scrambled thoughts -- all of them confused, some of them irrational, many of them which I cannot recall, and some of which I would not have seriously entertained under normal circumstances -- went through my mind during this period. They were reflected in the various inexplicable, inconsistent, and inconclusive things I said and did, including such questions as whether the girl might still be alive somewhere out of that immediate area, whether some awful curse did actually hang over all the Kennedys, whether there was some justifiable reason for me to doubt what has happened and to delay my report, whether somehow the awful weight of this incredible incident might, in some way, pass from my shoulders. I was overcome, I'm frank to say, by a jumble of emotions, grief, fear, doubt, exhaustion, panic, confusion and shock.

Instructing Gargan and Markham not to alarm Mary Jo's friends that night, I had them take me to the ferry crossing. The ferry having shut down for the night, I suddenly jumped into the water and impulsively swam across, nearly drowning once again in the effort, and returned to my hotel about 2 A.M. and collapsed in my room.

I remember going out at one point and saying something to the room clerk.

In the morning, with my mind somewhat more lucid, I made an effort to call a family legal advisor, Burke Marshall, from a public telephone on the Chappaquiddick side of the ferry and belatedly reported the accident to the Martha's Vineyard police.

Today, as I mentioned, I felt morally obligated to plead guilty to the charge of leaving the scene of an accident. No words on my part can possibly express the terrible pain and suffering I feel over this tragic incident. This last week has been an agonizing one for me and for the members of my family, and the grief we feel over the loss of a wonderful friend will remain with us the rest of our lives.

These events, the publicity, innuendo, and whispers which have surrounded them and my admission of guilt this morning raises the question in my mind of whether my standing among the people of my state has been so impaired that I should resign my seat in the United States Senate. If at any time the citizens of Massachusetts should lack confidence in their Senator's character or his ability, with or without justification, he could not in my opinion adequately perform his duty and should not continue in office.

The people of this State, the State which sent John Quincy Adams, and Daniel Webster, and Charles Sumner, and Henry Cabot Lodge, and John Kennedy to the United States Senate are entitled to representation in that body by men who inspire their utmost confidence. For this reason, I would understand full well why some might think it right for me to resign. For me this will be a difficult decision to make.

It has been seven years since my first election to the Senate. You and I share many memories -- some of them have been glorious, some have been very sad. The opportunity to work with you and serve Massachusetts has made my life worthwhile.

And so I ask you tonight, the people of Massachusetts, to think this through with me. In facing this decision, I seek your advice and opinion. In making it, I seek your prayers -- for this is a decision that I will have finally to make on my own.

It has been written a man does what he must in spite of personal consequences, in spite of obstacles, and dangers, and pressures, and that is the basis of human morality. Whatever may be the sacrifices he faces, if he follows his conscience -- the loss of his friends, his fortune, his contentment, even the esteem of his fellow man -- each man must decide for himself the course he will follow. The stories of the past courage cannot supply courage itself. For this, each man must look into his own soul.

I pray that I can have the courage to make the right decision. Whatever is decided and whatever the future holds for me, I hope that I shall have been able to put this most recent tragedy behind me and make some further contribution to our state and mankind, whether it be in public or private life.

Thank you and good night.


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On July 19, 1969, Kennedy attended a party on Chappaquiddick Island in Massachusetts. At about 11:00 PM, he borrowed his chauffeur's keys to his Oldsmobile limousine, and offered to give a ride home to Mary Jo Kopechne, a campaign worker. Leaving the island via an unlit, narrow, rickety wooden bridge, Kennedy steered the car off the bridge and into Poucha Pond.

He swam to shore and walked back to the party -- passing several houses and a fire station -- and two friends returned with him to the scene of the accident. According to their later testimony, they told him what he already knew, that he was required by law to immediately report the accident to the authorities. Instead Kennedy made his way to his hotel, called his lawyer, and went to sleep.

Kennedy called the police the next morning. By then the wreck had already been discovered. Before dying, Kopechne had scratched at the upholstered floor above her head in the upside-down car. The Kennedy family began pulling strings, ensuring that any inquiry would be contained. Her corpse was whisked out-of-state to her family, before an autopsy could be conducted.

Further details are uncertain, but after the accident Kennedy says he repeatedly dove under the water trying to rescue Kopechne, and he didn't call police because he was in a state of shock. In versions not so kind, it is widely assumed Kennedy was drunk, that he was having an affair with Kopechne, and/or that he held off calling police in hopes that his family could fix the problem overnight.


He never said that he was drunk. I don't know where you got that from.

That aside.

The media is going to put whatever sells on the headlines. If someone shoots another person it's going to sell better than someone getting into a car accident it doesn't matter what the political party is. Even if he admitted to driving drunk, how many people drive drunk as opposed to how many that drink and then end up shooting someone.

The reason it was so heavily covered was because of what happened, not whether it was liberal or conservative.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 9:24 pm


Pyrotechnic Oracle
Mmhmmm.


I'm wondering whether or not I should go to bed. whee
PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 9:25 pm


I don't know hwo the candian media works, but the american media is agenda driven. Its quite clear in the way they report. If its all about what sells then they would have run a decent sorty on ted, but they didn't. They would have run a decent story on bill, but they didn't. ANd yet, whenerver a republican, or a chirstian, or a por-lifer, or any thing affiliated wiht the right does something drastic or a out there, the media jumps all over it and makes assersions.

ANd sorry, your right. I miss read. His alchehol consumption was given by a witness. Not ted himself. ANd those were his own words, Miranda, words that the investigation did not support.

http://www.ytedk.com/chapter1.htm#alcohol

Its at the bottom.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 9:32 pm


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I don't know hwo the candian media works, but the american media is agenda driven. Its quite clear in the way they report. If its all about what sells then they would have run a decent sorty on ted, but they didn't. They would have run a decent story on bill, but they didn't. ANd yet, whenerver a republican, or a chirstian, or a por-lifer, or any thing affiliated wiht the right does something drastic or a out there the media jumps all over it and makes assersions.

ANd sorry, your right. I miss read. His alchehol consumption was given by a witness. Not ted himself.

http://www.ytedk.com/chapter1.htm#alcohol

Its at the bottom.

However he was neither charged nor convicted with driving under the influence, therefore there wasn't enough proof of either and therefore it is you stating false evidence of him driving drunk. You can say that you personally believe that he was driving drunk, but there's that whole 'innocent until proven guilty' thing that still applies.

And any journalist knows that it's the headlines that sell. The story might be amazing but if the headline isn't going to be they're not going to cover it as much. What they had on Ted was hear-say, alligations and a conviction of him leaving the scene of an accident. What they have on d**k is him admitting to have been drinking and him shooting someone.

Morally d**k is better off than Ted, anyone would agree, however the papers don't deal in morals. They deal in what's going to sell more.
PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 9:35 pm


No Miranda, I have not given false evidence. The bottom line isnt' whether or not he was driving under influence ( He obviosly was if he had that much to dirnk in one day) The bototm line is that he falsified a report and left out important details.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 9:49 pm


You have though. You claimed earlier that he was driving drunk, they had one witness testify to him having been drinking. He was never charged. Therefore the witness testifying could not have been proof enough to press charges. By stating that someone was driving drunk as though it is truth, when there isn't any proof to back it up is nothing short of slander.

Do I agree with what he did or how he handled things? No. Am I going to delve any deeper into it than that? Probably not. Am I trying to condone his actions? No. Stop getting so damn defensive.

The point you were making is the media, the media is a business, they're going to do what sells period, end of story. It doesn't matter to them if the person they're writing about is liberal or conservative or somewhere inbetween.
PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 10:04 pm


Lorysa
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Mmhmmm.


I'm wondering whether or not I should go to bed. whee

I should be in bed. gonk

Stupid time. There isn't enough of it. mad

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divineseraph

PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 10:09 pm


ah, indeed...
PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 10:16 pm


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You have though. You claimed earlier that he was driving drunk, they had one witness testify to him having been drinking. He was never charged. Therefore the witness testifying could not have been proof enough to press charges. By stating that someone was driving drunk as though it is truth, when there isn't any proof to back it up is nothing short of slander.

Do I agree with what he did or how he handled things? No. Am I going to delve any deeper into it than that? Probably not. Am I trying to condone his actions? No. Stop getting so damn defensive.

The point you were making is the media, the media is a business, they're going to do what sells period, end of story. It doesn't matter to them if the person they're writing about is liberal or conservative or somewhere inbetween.


There is proof. The witness testified after the case was closed. There was nothign his testimoney coudl do at that point. But the testimoney is still there, but not much it can do since the case was closed. And there were four tstifiers. Kennedy himself (c**k and rum by his own words), and three other people.

He [kenedy] gave the report several hours later. Enough time to sober up. He never gave them the facts so he was charged only wiht what was on his report, fleeing a cirme scene and failign to immidiatly report an accedent. And I am stating he was driving druink because there really isn't much dought that he wasnt beyond what peopel believe. I'll say it again. You can't have that much alchehole and not get the least bit drunk.

Where in my post did I say you were defending him? Where in my posts can it be insinuated that I beleive you are defending him? You are arguing from what you've heard and know, I'm doing the same thing. I don't beleive oyu are defending him. I do however beleive oyu are accepting somehtign with out looking much into things. I've heard what he said, I didn't believe it, and I went lookign for information for and against him. I found that his words and those supporitng him does not fit the investigation.

Eh-hem. "LOL, INTERNET!" I never get defensive over the internet.

Ho wmuch American TV do you watch Miranda? How many American newspapers do you read? As I've said, I don't knwo how the Canadian media works, but form what I've seen of the American media, the american media is agenda driven. They are not fair and balanced. It is true they publish only what sells, but here in America, what sell sis slanderising the right. I have rarely seen a report on a lifer who wasnt an old, white, heavly conservative male who sounds like he dosn't care about woman. I've rarely seen a report on christions with out soem implication of them wanting to take away rights and subject people to their form of morality. I've rarely seen a reprot on any one form the right wing that was for the right and wasn't moderate with out some form of insultign or insulting being involved. I've heard nothign but praise over liberals and democrats. (Democrats who don't agree with the any thing, or agree very little with republicans)

Once again, I'm not sure how things work in Canada, but they are diffrent here in the United States. Assuming the canadian media isn't attackign the right wing (or what ever you call the canadian party that resembles the american republicnas sweatdrop ) at ever cornor that is.

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divineseraph

PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 6:24 am


if i may add to this, i watch american news sometimes (as i am american), but i can hardly say that i am interested for long- there is nothing positive, after watching an hour or so of news, i find one neutral thing which is like, some guy visits some place... honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if when a cure of aids and cancer is perfected, the american news systems has a longer story about the negative side effects than the medicine itself.
edit- if you listen to "dirty laundry", that pretty much tells you what it is
PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:08 am


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lymelady
I'd rather hunt with d**k Cheney, too. At least the guy lived, didn't he?


It was an accedent Lyme. Even if the man didn't live I'd still want to hunt with d**k cheney then drive with ted kennedy. There is quite a bit of evidence stacked aginast Kennedy, of coarse, its ignored, because he's a liberal. Thats how the media works. When a republican "chokes on a preztel" its a greta big peice of news. When a liberal gets oral pleasure form an intern its the man's personal life and none of our business. Thats how the media works.

Ted keddedy accedentlay kills a girl (I'll give him the BotD on this one), and its an accedent and a tragedy but life must move on. Cheney accedentaly shoot a man (a common accedent for what goe son duirng bird hunting. I my self have been peppered three times on hunting trips) and its a great big, huge, arms-up-in-the-air topic...geez.

I think the main different is the way it happened hun, not that he was conservative. There's a bit of a different view of someone shooting someone else (accident or no) than someone getting into a car accident.
How about getting in a car accident after drinking and then lying about it and pretending that she was the one driving, and going as far as going to a hotel and trying to get an alibi so that no one can blame you?

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:24 am


And Cheney wasn't drunk either, yet he was reported as being drunk.

The media does whatever sells. They've been trying to nail cheney because he's not as idiotic as Bush can be. Not because he's a conservative, but because he's Vice President. They used to try to nail Gore, too, and Clinton, just as much. Back when Kennedy did his thing, the press wasn't as much of a viper's nest.

Had Kennedy done that today, the press woulda been all over him, but, at the time, Kennedy wasn't in the seat of power that he is now, don't forget. There's a difference between some guy who wants to be senator and the vice president. Even though it'd be great headlines now: Drunk Senator Kills Young Girl, it wouldn't have been so with his position back then. Drunk Man Kills Young Girl. Oh well, happens every day.
PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:37 am


Hmmmmm...any body know if Full Metal Panic is the sequal to Full Metal Alchemist

Tiger of the Fire


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:47 am


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Hmmmmm...any body know if Full Metal Panic is the sequal to Full Metal Alchemist


Nope, two different things, I've been told anyway.
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