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But only if you were within range, and hadn't been shot apart by the basilisks first. smile

Lets see...

meltagun: 12"
lascannon: 48"
earthshaker cannon: 240"

do the math children biggrin
even with barrage fire*, you are going to take heavy fire before you can get close enough to shoot with whatever you've got left
(and even then, they could be behind cover. I'd certainly keep anti-infantry tanks close as well, just in case)

*even without you've still got 120" range to deal with

I've never played on a board that was even that large. but even so I can just spread out and minimize the dammage, plus any thing over 120" will be scattering 2d6, If i spread out enough, chances are you won't hit anything except for the odd direct hit here an there.

of course in a 1500 point game you would have 12 basiliks though.... so i guess i'd have to give you the benifit of the doubt there...


but oh wait, the guard codex was designed by idiots, all my guardsmen have deepstrike for free now thanks to doctrine upgrades. Nice.

Goodbye armor.

For one, with 1000 Guardsmen you're going to need a pretty big board, unless you want them so squashed in they're like fish in a barrel.

And if I was to actually field a seige regiment, I could get a total of eight basilisks as troop choices. Or a normal armoured company, with (indeed) three basilisks, but a further 5 vanquishers with 96" range.

I suppose both have advantages: tanks were never meant to go up against light infantry anyway, so real comparison is meaningless.

To be honest, I'm not sure who I'd put my money on with tanks vs. light infantry - I've never seen it played out.
Although I did once defeat a necron army (lord, warriors, plus destroyers and plenty of scarabs) with a single Vanquisher, although to be fair the opponent was an idiot and kept all his troops together - so a single shell took out a fair chunk each turn, so he just phased out after turn three.

The reason I say this is due to watching so many armored company armies be taken down by basic infantry. Though agreed, wed only knowed until its played out.

Though I am a huge fan of Heavy Armour and have a full Armoured Company. The infantry would win. Normal if this a dscussion in the store I would say the tank would win out of spite Now their is cases where the Armor could win but it must be a well played thing with correct variations of tanks. But 12 Basalisks probley wouldnt cause enough damage even if you hit a squad dead on with each shot the death toll would still not be as great as you expect it will. Where Armor has a pretty static deployment Infantry has the ability to drop and pop. All they have to do in deepstrike in and pop your tank wit meltas. Hell even plasmas wold work if they jumped in from your rear.

I'm going to have to disagree heavily with you. Now, normally an army is either very shooty (Tau) or very choppy? (Orks) and sometimes they have a good mix of things (Marines). However, the Imperial Guard (and Eldar, for that matter) is an incredibly flexible army.

Have you ever seen a close combat Guard army? Give them Warrior Weapons, Hardened Fighters, and Deepstrike, getting your normal troops to tie up enemy troops in time for things like Ogryns, Rough Riders, and/or Command Squads time to get in there, which will tear up enemies. Hell, they might not even have time to get there if you take Close Order drill and keep them in it, with their +1 Initiative they'll be at par with most enemies.

Alternatively, you could take Sharpshooters and Heavy Weapons Platoons, and give them carapace armour to sruvive and Storm Troopers to add more firepower. You'd just have to sit back and fire down the lane to destroy opponents, which would be well coupled with some artillery with Guess range, to flush out enemies who you can't hit normally.

In addition, you can make an armoured company, which plays entirely differently from either option above, using almost entirely vehicles to do their dirty work. That's just a matter of finding the right balance of units into a working fashion.

I really don't know what you mean by saying that there is no real variety to the Guard codex. Sure, they made it so that you can't have every unit available to the guard, but that does not mean that there is no variety from army to army.


((Oh, and if anyone can tell me what the stats are for the Heavy Mortar, or tell me where I can find it, I'd really appriciate it.))

just imagine if I could deepstrike tanks. There is a mission that lets you do that I cant remember but a good friend of mine told my of it and he is a GW Outrider.

Just Imagine the possiblitys.
Mechanized
Warrior Weapons
Ogryns
Independent Commisars

I can see some Major hurt coming out of that it would just have problems with Armor The possiblitys for guard are nearly endless. Want the play them as Tech Guard you got it
Bionics (its not called this but it give them a 5+ invul save)
Carapace Armor
Enigseers
mechanized

the potential for variety is out there. It just has to be recognized.