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Saiyan Master Vegeta
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:57 pm


Enigma Master Andrew
This has nothing to do with this debate but.. How old is Master Roshi.

354 since the end of Dragonball Z.

He does technically get older in years, however his physical and internal aspects don't age since Dragonball due to Korin's water.
PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 2:07 pm


Enigma Master Andrew
So he had the time to spurt out nonsense but not counter? What are lasers then Vegeta because I'm not getting what you're saying... You seem to be getting stressed.. Are my responses troubleing you that much...? If they are my apologize.

For all we know, him mumbling that word could have been done in 1/50 of a second. It's unfounded, and is overruled by one simple point below . . .

You need to realize this - Cell is faster than Goku in ALL aspects, meaning Superman would have to be INCREDIBLY faster than Goku in order to do something about an attack like that. If Cell could have done something, he would have.

And unless you're telling me that a normal human can track something moving at light speed, my point stands.

And no, your responses are not troubling me. I'm just tired of repeating myself. Also, this is not meant to be an offensive remark, but you seem to consistently not respond to various points that I say. In other words, you pick and choose what to respond to. Which is why I end up repeating myself.

For example . . . Numero 3, as in times I've had to post this without getting a response . . .

Saiyan Master Vegeta
Strength: Goku.
Speed: I believe this goes to Goku, however this aspect hasn't been discussed as in-depth, therefore it's open for discussion.
Durability: Near even, however I believe this leans more towards Goku due to his brutal beating by Piccolo, and being able to take a something close to a planet-busting hit. Superman, however, hasn't really been shown to take a full planet-busting hit from what you've said. And I don't believe he has endured the kind of beating in which Goku took from Piccolo. For the record, a planet busting hit and torturing the body are two different kinds of durability.
Endurance: About even. Can't really be proven to be superior for either character.
Intelligence: Superman.
Experience: Goku.

As I said before, this is where I believe it stands.

Saiyan Master Vegeta
Vice Captain


Count Omega
Crew

PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 4:34 pm


Except Cell's bomb was shown to blow up a planet. And why are you extrapolating something about pain from my post? It's a fact that Cell's bomb was one of the only actual planet busters that has hit a non-regenerating DBZ character directly.
PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 6:40 pm


For one thing, I never understand why people, even people who often say that fact is only concret if it is actualy shown, never seem to realize that King Kai's planet was small. Really freakn' small. It's actualy smaller than the mountains that DBZ characters are famous for destroying, smaller than the islands that 2nd form Cell blew up severall of in quick sucsesion with ki blasts that took a half second to charge up, and way way smaller than the moon that Master Roshi blew up early on in Dragon Ball! It was never shown destroying anything even near the size of the earth.

Now you may say that the previous paragraph is actualy evidence against my side of the argument. I would agree with you. But I have to mention it because to me it makes no freakn' sense.

Ok, now on to evidence actualy helping my side. Note that we have no idea how far the explosion went. We know it destroyed King Kai's planet annd killed Goku, King Kai, Bubbles, and Gregory. It is entirely possible, however(and nessisary, if you belive that the blast had the ability to destroy the earth) that the blast went further, and destroyed more, snake way for instance. I can't think of any evidence supporting how large the blast radious was at all. We don't know.

But that hole last paragraph was useless anyway becase blast radious doesn't nessisarily=power. Vageta's suicide attack on Buu was, by all reason and common sense, the most powerful attack in DBZ to date, almost definitly more powerful than Cells explosion, which was a similar attack used by a much weaker character. That and all of the other planet busting attacks were probalby less powerful than that, yet Vageta didn't even destroy the island he was on. In fact, the blast was probably move powerful because all the energy was compressed into a small space.

Kamikazek-Z


Saiyan Master Vegeta
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:44 pm


@ Kami:

Actually, Goku's final Spirit Bomb is the most powerful attack in the DBU. Seeing as Buu was able to regenerate from Vegeta's Final Explosion, and he wasn't able to regenerate from the Spirit Bomb, we come to the conclusion that the Spirit Bomb was more concentrated than the Final Explosion, thus more powerful.

And though North Kai's planet was quite small, I'd take Cell's word that he could have nuked Earth. It's not like he was counting on Goku to teleport him away or something.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:55 pm


I concur, giving some contentions away IS part of the debate process.

rikeen90


Kamikazek-Z

PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 4:23 pm


Saiyan Master Vegeta
@ Kami:

Actually, Goku's final Spirit Bomb is the most powerful attack in the DBU. Seeing as Buu was able to regenerate from Vegeta's Final Explosion, and he wasn't able to regenerate from the Spirit Bomb, we come to the conclusion that the Spirit Bomb was more concentrated than the Final Explosion, thus more powerful.

And though North Kai's planet was quite small, I'd take Cell's word that he could have nuked Earth. It's not like he was counting on Goku to teleport him away or something.

The most powerful attack in the DBU "to date". What I meant was there was never a more powerful attack beffore that in the DBU. The spirit bomb came afterwards. Sorry, the wording was kinda confusing. I do agree that the spirit bomb was the most powerful attack in the DBU, and also that Vageta's suicide blast wasn't even the second most powerful attack in the DBU. SS3 Gotenks Super Gost Kamikaze, SSJ3 Goku and mystic gohan's higher power blast, I'd even be willing to debate that everything SSJ Vageto uses is more powerful. Plus DBU tends to include GT, so yeah...

And I take Cells word for being able to destroy earth too. I also belive when he says that he can destroy the solar system, and when Vageta says his Garlic Gun could destroy the world, and all that other stuff. I just find it strange that people who don't belive in such things still think Cell could have blown up the planet.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 4:51 pm


I don't see why people think Cell couldn't nuke the Solar System. It really isn't that unbelievable.

In Vegeta's first appearance, he demonstrates that he has the capability to destroy Earth. And the gap in power between Vegeta during the Saiyan Saga and Perfect Cell is GROSSLY huge.

Saiyan Master Vegeta
Vice Captain


Universal Law

Anxious Bloodsucker

PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 5:51 pm


Sorry about the absence. I'm in an after school program. Since I'm very lazy I'll just ask you guys to just put everything you posted that I haven't yet replied too in one post. sweatdrop Aslo if we're taking peoples words for it. The person Superman may have taken a PBA from was about to destroy the entire Universe. If you want I can show you.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 3:44 pm


Yes, I'd appreciate any visuals in which relate to that supposed event.

But no, I don't feel like repeating myself. Again. Take the time to look back and see what you missed.

Saiyan Master Vegeta
Vice Captain


Universal Law

Anxious Bloodsucker

PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 4:29 pm


PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 4:38 pm


How 'bout the second post on this page.

And I'm currently viewing those clips.

Saiyan Master Vegeta
Vice Captain


Saiyan Master Vegeta
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 4:43 pm


1st: Don't see what the first clip was about. The only significance I saw was that Supes needs a suit to survive in space.

2nd: I have no idea what that one proved.

3rd: Still to come.
PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 4:48 pm


Saiyan Master Vegeta
Enigma Master Andrew
So he had the time to spurt out nonsense but not counter? What are lasers then Vegeta because I'm not getting what you're saying... You seem to be getting stressed.. Are my responses troubleing you that much...? If they are my apologize.

For all we know, him mumbling that word could have been done in 1/50 of a second. It's unfounded, and is overruled by one simple point below . . .

You need to realize this - Cell is faster than Goku in ALL aspects, meaning Superman would have to be INCREDIBLY faster than Goku in order to do something about an attack like that. If Cell could have done something, he would have.

And unless you're telling me that a normal human can track something moving at light speed, my point stands.

And no, your responses are not troubling me. I'm just tired of repeating myself. Also, this is not meant to be an offensive remark, but you seem to consistently not respond to various points that I say. In other words, you pick and choose what to respond to. Which is why I end up repeating myself.

For example . . . Numero 3, as in times I've had to post this without getting a response . . .

Saiyan Master Vegeta
Strength: Goku.
Speed: I believe this goes to Goku, however this aspect hasn't been discussed as in-depth, therefore it's open for discussion.
Durability: Near even, however I believe this leans more towards Goku due to his brutal beating by Piccolo, and being able to take a something close to a planet-busting hit. Superman, however, hasn't really been shown to take a full planet-busting hit from what you've said. And I don't believe he has endured the kind of beating in which Goku took from Piccolo. For the record, a planet busting hit and torturing the body are two different kinds of durability.
Endurance: About even. Can't really be proven to be superior for either character.
Intelligence: Superman.
Experience: Goku.

As I said before, this is where I believe it stands.



For all we know it could have also been at normal speed aswell... I stand by my point in that Superman would have time to stop it. If you have proof on the speed at which Cell was talking I'd like to see it.. I also stand by what I said about Cell being shocked. He does seem like that type of person to me seeing as he did it against Gohan aswell if I'm not mistaken. Vegeta... Niether of these fighter are normal or even human for that matter... So I dont get what you are saying on that remark. I'm still thinking of a proper response to that list so dont worry.. mrgreen

Universal Law

Anxious Bloodsucker


Universal Law

Anxious Bloodsucker

PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 4:51 pm


Saiyan Master Vegeta
1st: Don't see what the first clip was about. The only significance I saw was that Supes needs a suit to survive in space.

2nd: Still to come.

3rd: Still to come.


Didnt I already state that Superman uses the suit when hes going to be in space for a PROLONGED period of time?
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