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 Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 4:57 pm
Truth be told, I WAS online Sunday ready to update this thread. And Monday. But I thought to myself, if there's any game in the series nearly everyone has played and whose units everyone can comment on, it's Awakening. So I figured I'd leave it open a few more days.
Extra special thanks to Tiki for always supporting this thread. It's been a tremendous pleasure having conversations with you about this series for years. I take great joy out of us frequently having different but equally well thought out and logical viewpoints on things and comparing and contrasting them in discussions.
It's now Cecil week! So we have one strong female cav after another!
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Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 2:08 pm
Well, I missed out on Sully week but AX got in the way... But we shall move on with the show as they say!
Cecil is definitely among of my favorite female knights of the FE series. She's technically not the first female knight of the series, since there is Midia from the first Fire Emblem game or rather book 1 of the Akaneia chronicles.(Also a re-occurring character in FE3 book 2) and of course Matilda from FE: Gaiden for anyone that bothered to play that game.
However, Cecil is actually a recruit knight along with Rody, and Luke. Instead of the ordinary Red/Green knight, we get three of them and one is a girl. I like that we get stronger female characters added to the line. It's kind of rare to see female cavaliers in FE for some reason… Sure, we do have female fliers which I am totally cool with.
And we'll get Titania later down the road who is awesome as ever. Sully from FE13 is also great too. And don't get me wrong, I do love the Red/Green knights, but It'd actually be kind of nice to see something new from time to time.
I also am rather fond of her Cecil's character design. Her headband wrap does look pretty cool. And pink is a fine color for her as well.
And again, FE3 doesn't really give any of them personalities. But you can kind of get that she's supposed to be the strong, responsible, and certainly a reliable girl. ESPECIALLY reliable statwise, but I'll get into that later on.
She does have a personality in FE12 though. And she does have her moments, like the conversation with Rody. I really like the B conversation personally. She's definitely strong, reliable, and responsible but at times they tend to push it a little bit with her character. But it's not to the extreme where she becomes unlikable. I haven't gotten that many conversations with her, but I generally like her overall.
As far as stats go for Cecil, she'll be one of your speediest and most accurate hitting cavaliers. In my first play through of FE3 book 2, I went with both her and Rody from beginning to end. And what makes her even better is that she gets bonus supports from Rody, and Luke to make her even more useful. I'm not even kidding about this, she'll score criticals pretty often due to her excellent skill. The only thing she may have a problem with is her low HP, but it's not a huge issue since you could feed her an Angelic robe to deal with that. Otherwise than that, Cecil is a solid cavalier unit all around.
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Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 6:07 pm
Titania week already happened.
Cecil is cool. Having Cecil right after Sully made me realize their similarities and really want to see art of the two together.
'Dat hair bow. Love her design.
As a unit, she's usable. And fast. And if I'm being completely honest, average. We have a tendency to praise how viable most units are, but then, most units are usable. So... being legit viable means you're average. What sets Cecil apart is her very strong start via Lady Sword, but once you get the peg sisters running and have a Falco Knight circa FE12, they own those things. Actually the peg sisters being capable of reclassing to a sword wielding class also makes her Lady Sword exclusivity much less special. But she's still among very few units who have access to this incredible resource and the first one really does come soon in the game. Later on, everyone is able to use stronger weapons so the value of it goes down, but she can really pull more weight that she probably ought to thanks to that Lady Sword (as can anybody with access to something super strong super soon - looking at Linde with Aura, Othin and the Pugi Axe, etc...). She also benefits from the prologue chapters of FE12. I've used her and enjoyed using her. She turned it out.
As a character, she has spunk circa FE12, but I honestly haven't read enough to see her fleshed out. Good dynamics with Luke and Rody. Mostly to give Luke a hard time for being Luke.
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Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 6:57 pm
Actually, I was mostly referring to other female Cavaliers/Paladins we'll be introduced to as FE series progresses. At least after FE3.. Though, I should probably stay on topic at hand. Heh heh
Err yeah.. Not so much character of the week. Since I remember we've talked about Titania...
Hope I didn't mean to confuse anyone with the mix up.. sweatdrop
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Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:19 pm
Ah, I see. I didn't realize you meant in the history of the series itself. No problem.
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:03 am
N'aww, FD! Thank you very much for the compliments! I hope you know the feelings are mutual, and I always enjoy talking about FE things with you as well. This thread provides a very convenient weekly excuse to do so, so why wouldn't I try to keep it alive? I enjoy it!
I've had decent luck with Cecil (Cecille in the FE12 fan translation) whenever I use her, but I usually end up benching her when other, stronger ladies come into play. When I first played FE3 I actually used her a lot more. I had her pretty much own the lady sword since Palla and Catria were pretty powerful in their own right by that point, and giving Cecil the lady sword helped distribute the power and usefulness a bit more. Even though you get Catria in the second chapter (as well as your first lady sword, how convenient), there's enough to go around and I remember you not needing a very high weapon level to use it. It's especially useful in FE3 since weapon levels are so funky in that game and rely on the RNG.
I actually liked what they added on to Cecil's personality in FE12. The additions to characters in FE12 are hit and miss for me, with some of the hits being kinda fun and the worst misses sending me into DENIAL, but I remember liking Cecil. I like that she comes in later as a transfer from another unit in the prologue, and I like that she gets to be the kinda tough gal. As was stated, you kinda get that vibe from the way she looks, and it's fun to see her act it out and not be obnoxious with it. FE12 had a habit of adding on personality quirks to characters who didn't have much to them in the older games, which can be really fake and infuriating at times. In Cecil's conversations with MU, it's revealed that she's afraid of ghosts. She ends up making a fool out of herself in their B support, and in her A support she's embarrassed that she has such a stupid weakness, and the pair talk about how it's okay to have weaknesses and everyone has them. It's kinda funny, kinda sweet, and it isn't obnoxious as some of the other supports that add quirks can be.
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Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:59 pm
Thanks again for participating!
It's now Cain Week!
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 5:01 pm
Ahh... So we've got Cain, the original red knight of the FE series this time around. There's not really a whole lot to say about him, but he is important being part of the original of the Red/Green duo. Cain is a cool guy though.
When I was first introduced to Cain, I thought he looked cool. And sure his red hair does look rather nice.
But I think that FE11/12 did a better job with fleshing out his character a bit more. His reasoning in his rendezvous with prince Marth in FE11 is actually very clear in the prologue. Cain was right there on the battlefield fighting alongside King Cornelius.(Marth's father) And he manages to survive and return to his lord prince after well... We all know what happened to Marth's father right? Anyways, Cain's badly wounded and even so he'll still do anything to protect Marth even in this condition. I think that alone shows how loyal he is to his King and to Marth. I might get a lot stares for this, but in my first playthrough of Shadow Dragon I actually sacrificed Cain. Yeah.. I felt horrible for doing that, but It's pretty tragic and kind of adds to the drama if you think about it in that light.
As for his involvement in book 2. We actually get very little involvement of Cain in the original FE3. He kind of just meets up with Marth at the bridge chapter while he's being pursued by Hardin. And that's really about it... So I actually prefer FE12's take on the character. We get to have more moments with him in the prologue. And I really like that he's an instructor. He doesn't pull any punches, and there's certainly a sense of honor you could sorta get from him. I've never had the courtesy of getting any supports from him in FE12. (Since we've already had Rody, Luke, Cecil, and even Sirius) But I'm sure he's usable and not that bad of a unit. In all fairness, he's at least available earlier than Abel.
FE11's Abel might be the one that ends up being much better statwise, but Cain is also just as excellent. He'll definitely end up have high hp and decent luck. His other stats aren't really too far off in comparison to Abel's stats really... They're all very good for a knight of his caliber.
And I might as well mention the Fire Emblem 90's OAV anime while I'm at it. Because why not right? I thought it was pretty awesome that Nobuyuki Hiyama, the previous voice actor for Link voiced Cain. You can kinda hear a bit of Link in one of the scenes...
Which I want to say is the 2nd episode of the OAV... But yeah, not a whole lot of scenes, but he does deliver the personality of the character pretty well as short as the anime is.
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:12 pm
I've always preferred Abel to Cain (and generally have preferred the green to the red knights) in FE although I prefer Cain to Abel in their biblical story.
Their statistical differences are frankly less sustantial earlier in the series when growths were so much lower overall. Story-wise, I like his contrast... with Abel. Abel went off and had all that drama on wings. Cain stayed in the army. Then, come FE3/12, Cain be getting promotions and s**t while Abel gets left. he's also arguably more usable in FE12 than his counterpart since he comes substantially sooner IIRC. Except you'll probably be using the NEW Cavs in the game. It is always interesting though when you get your red and green at different moments.
I'd love to talk more but I'm short on time and off to Palm Springs for the weekend (where all gay men over 40 go to die; sorta like all dogs go to heaven - should probably look for a good grave plot while I'm there).
It should be fabulous.
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:04 pm
Welp, Enjoy the trip FD. Oh yeah, a little quick thing I wanted to say... I thought the Abel and Cain sprites in the original NES Fire Emblem game didn't really look all that different from each other, well except the Red and Green colors which they are known and famous for. And the expressions are slightly altered just a tiny bit. It could be just me, but I find that both of them look pretty silly in all honesty. But enjoyably goofy in that sort of way~ Cain:  Abel:  But then again, most of the character portraits were kind of reused and it is the first game of the series too.(As it does have a crap ton of flaws) I think it was really FE3 book 1 when you really could get a clear distinction from their appearance and personality really... The original set up is still kinda there in the original, but it's not exactly defined quite yet. Although, I'm probably just nitpicking at it a little bit. XD
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 9:35 pm
shoot I forgot to bring that up during Abel week. That's not a mouth, that's a pair of buck teeth. I would have an Akaneia Chronicle picture ready for you but I don't.
I've been super busy all week, entertaining friends and preparing for my own two and a half week trip to Peru! I actually had a Cain post mostly written up at one point, but my computer farted out and I couldn't be assed to rewrite it with all the stuff I had to do.
Pick up the slack while I'm gone! Someone has to bring up those Dawn Brigade character notes while I'm out, at least...
You Cain do it!
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 4:14 pm
The trip has been fabulous.
Thanks again to everyone for their contributions this last week.
It's now Nolan Week. Should be a good one. He's come up quite a bit in weeks previous.
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Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 11:19 pm
Nolan is widely considered one of the best axe users ever. Like not very many can compare to him. His Earth affinity is always helpful. His growths are very good. 70 60 60 on Skill Speed and Luck, what is this mess!?
He starts out at level 9 with some good enough base stats. His join time is amazing because it's the second chapter in the game, with a STEEL AXE. His 13 con means that he is taking a speed penalty because of the Steel Axe's weight is 15 so he won't be doubling most things right away. Which is good for the units who can only do chip damage to finish what Nolan started.
On average he can cap a lot of his 3rd tier stats. His personal axe, Tarvos, give him +4 defense. With the weight of only 12 and might of 18 it's a good axe. If Nolan isn't going to be your Urvan user (The only other people I consider good users for Urvan are Haar, Titania, and Boyd.), then try to not have this weapon break on you so it can be blessed by Yune. This is the second best axe in the game. The Silver Poleax, while it has the same might as Tarvos, is heavier and has 10 less uses. It also only has 60 hit while Tarvos has 100.
I consider Nolan to be the best character coming out of Part 1. Unless you are doing a specific type of run or get RNG screwed, (That has happened before. Nolan got like no speed one run.) there isn't a reason not to use him.
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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 4:19 pm
If you're not using Nolan in part one, you're wrong, bye. But seriously, he is too valuable not to use, at least for the dawn brigade parts.
He's also the true leader of said faction, a role which gets stolen by Miciah.
Cool/dorky father figure - awesome design. I'm keeping this short because some of my keys don't work and it's a pain to type things.
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2014 5:58 pm
I've kinda been a little busy with some things, but I'll at least talk about Nolan even though I won't be around for very that long...
So Nolan is definitely one of the best axe users in FE10 period. Or even the best axe user in the whole FE series at that! Though, there is also Othlin so I'd consider both to be the best axe users hands down. Although, I've talked about him in the earlier weeks;
*Ahem* Now, back to some real Nolan business. I found it interesting in the earlier rounds of character of the week when a few members actually didn't like Nolan. The FE10's narrative structure is pretty inconsistent, but we all know about that obviously by now right? Still, you can't deny how great his timing is when he joins the Dawn Brigade.
He's even amazing as a unit too. Nolan starts out as a level 9 fighter and he can actually manage his own not being weighed down by heavy weapons such as steel axes. And he shouldn't have much an issue doubling most enemies for the most part.(Except certain speesters like myrmidons...) The starting skill for him is nihil which is a decent skill against bosses or enemies with deadly skills on them. Though, there are definitely some better skills which he can use eventually...
Later on in the game he'll get to promote into the 2nd tier warrior class, and last the 3rd tier reaver class. He'll seriously devastate flying enemies with crossbows with no trouble at all.
It's really a matter of decision between choosing either Nolan or Boyd, and while Boyd is actually pretty okay as a unit.(Not to get into any details right now) I'd seriously go with Nolan simply because: 1. You SHOULD be using him in part 1 if you're not, what's wrong with you? and 2. He's easiest to use and he turns out better statistically speaking. Nolan is always contributing no matter what.
I'm rather fond of Nolan as a character. Aside from Micaiah being the maiden of the dawn brigade and all that jazz, Nolan is really the leader of the group and a pretty cool guy honestly. I've always saw him more of the fatherly figure of the Dawn Brigade. I really like the scene between Nolan, Edward, and Leonardo. Edward is being optimistic and carefree going on about dreams and finding Prince Pelleas, the prince of Daein. Leonardo is kind of gloomy about it however.. Nolan swoops in and tells them straight. They're still both at a young age and shouldn't give up on their dreams of liberating Daein. I like how he's encouraging to the boys. And of course they joke around about him being an old man. xP
I'd figure, I should talk a bit of the designer notes while I'm at it...(After all it was Tiki's wish) Nolan's involvement I do find interesting. Apparently he was a successful merchant at a young age, but he lost everything after being betrayed by his associates. He decided to move over to the back alleys of Daein and live there. The mad king's war was really none of his concern, but he saw people dying and so he finally had the willpower to go and save them.
It's also very cool that it was he who saved Leonardo and Edward from the dark slums of Daein. Thus the Dawn Brigade was born!
I kind of wish FE10 had more stuff like this. I love the bond they share and the struggles they all went through and it's just in order to survive. Here we had Nolan who lost all hope and after losing everything he had going for him, but he couldn't stand seeing his countrymen falling one by one.
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