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 Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:16 pm
Mei tsuki7 While I'm typing up this bible commentary, which will take a while, I want to see someone explaining why Jesus spoke of every other sin and yet he didn't speak of homosexuality. Also if Jesus didn't speak of every other sin show the other ones he didn't speak of that apply to Christianity. If people refuse to do this then I will stop with my typing up of my bible commentary. If I have to put effort in then so do all of you. Sorry, I'm done here. Of course, Jesus didn't speak of every sin. He spoke of the principles behind them. The rest of the New Testament does a good job of applying those principles and it addresses homosexuality in Romans 1, which I have examined exhaustively already. Unless you have something new to add to that discussion, I don't have much left to say. I thought it might be interesting to examine the Torah's treatment of homosexuality, but I'm tired of fending off irrational attacks on that front. Anyway, I need to go pack so I can drive back to college tomorrow, and I'm going to be really busy after that, so you won't see me much on this thread or the guild at all during the school year. Again, just for reference: my main arguments (applicable to Christians) are on pages 3 and 9 of this topic. My argument from the Torah for Jews is spread out over the last few pages.
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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:17 pm
Nebulance Mei tsuki7 While I'm typing up this bible commentary, which will take a while, I want to see someone explaining why Jesus spoke of every other sin and yet he didn't speak of homosexuality. Also if Jesus didn't speak of every other sin show the other ones he didn't speak of that apply to Christianity. If people refuse to do this then I will stop with my typing up of my bible commentary. If I have to put effort in then so do all of you. Sorry, I'm done here. Of course, Jesus didn't speak of every sin. He spoke of the principles behind them. The rest of the New Testament does a good job of applying those principles and it addresses homosexuality in Romans 1, which I have examined exhaustively already. Unless you have something new to add to that discussion, I don't have much left to say. I thought it might be interesting to examine the Torah's treatment of homosexuality, but I'm tired of fending off irrational attacks on that front. Anyway, I need to go pack so I can drive back to college tomorrow, and I'm going to be really busy after that, so you won't see me much on this thread or the guild at all during the school year. Again, just for reference: my main arguments (applicable to Christians) are on pages 3 and 9 of this topic. My argument from the Torah for Jews is spread out over the last few pages. That doesn't prove anything. Jesus spoke of sins a great deal. Why didn't he speak of homosexuality?
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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:41 pm
Nebulance In Medias Res IV Nebulance Mar = Mark In Medias Res IV, I was making points from the Torah against you (since when is Leviticus part of 'my Christian scripture' which is 'complete and utter bullshit'?), points which you continue to ignore. That's what I was talking about. If you want to argue Leviticus with me, argue it from a JEWISH perspective. Leviticus wasn't written for goyim. By 'JEWISH' perspective, do you mean YOUR perspective? Neither of us are Jews, and Orthodox Judaism would agree with ME. So how about you quit ignoring the points I make just because you don't like them or can't answer them? Actually if I remember correctly, Noadchides are technically Jewish. And Jews would DISAGREE with you. As I've stated in my original post, Leviticus is to be followed by JEWISH PRIESTS.
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Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 1:38 pm
-Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden Actually if I remember correctly, Noadchides are technically Jewish. And Jews would DISAGREE with you. As I've stated in my original post, Leviticus is to be followed by JEWISH PRIESTS. Noachide Law was for both Hebrew and Goyim. And The text of Vayikra was for the Priesthood. But it was also a text for the community laws of cleanliness, purification and also some of the text near the end of the book was for those who are among the community who were not Israelites.
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:03 am
Mei tsuki7 Question to all Christians: If homosexuality is a sin why didn't Jesus say anything against it? He spoke of all the other sins did he not? So why not homosexuality? To play devil's advocate, Christians believe that we live in a fallen world, yes? If Jesus wanted to talk about every sin ever that related to human history and will relate to human history... that thing would be humongous. And, to play devil's advocate, could homosexuality fall under the lines of sexual immortality, which is a sin. I mean, just think about how many sins are sexual. It could be an umbrella statement, could it not (does the NT even cover what falls under sexual immortality?)?
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:09 am
comfortably_dumb Mei tsuki7 Question to all Christians: If homosexuality is a sin why didn't Jesus say anything against it? He spoke of all the other sins did he not? So why not homosexuality? To play devil's advocate, Christians believe that we live in a fallen world, yes? If Jesus wanted to talk about every sin ever that related to human history and will relate to human history... that thing would be humongous. And, to play devil's advocate, could homosexuality fall under the lines of sexual immortality, which is a sin. I mean, just think about how many sins are sexual. It could be an umbrella statement, could it not (does the NT even cover what falls under sexual immortality?)? I know you're ADing but how would you explain homosexuality in nature, here, lemme get you a list of animals who exhibit homosexual behaviour... Actually, it would be too long, read this instead http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/10/23/20718.aspxFurthermore, a Christian would argue "BUT IT'S NOT NATURAL!!" Ack, Thomas Aquinas is the one who started that...
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:21 am
Oh I know. For instance... my chihuahua likes to give my beagle surprise BJs. gonk It's bad.
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:27 am
comfortably_dumb Oh I know. For instance... my chihuahua likes to give my beagle surprise BJs. gonk It's bad. oh boy! Jebus! go to bed!
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:29 am
In Medias Res IV comfortably_dumb Oh I know. For instance... my chihuahua likes to give my beagle surprise BJs. gonk It's bad. oh boy! Jebus! go to bed! I TOOK A SHOWER. D: Now I am like: eek I should go read something ;o;
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:48 am
Homosexuality is wrong. I've gotten over my shame and I'm willing to admit that I've experienced it first hand. Levitican law forbids it, and in Matthew 5:17-18, Jesus says (in a nutshell) that not only did He fulfill the OT laws, but that every letter of it is to be kept until the day He returns.
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:49 am
Imitation Stradivarius Homosexuality is wrong. I've gotten over my shame and I'm willing to admit that I've experienced it first hand. Levitican law forbids it, and in Matthew 5:17-18, Jesus says (in a nutshell) that not only did He fulfill the OT laws, but that every letter of it is to be kept until the day He returns. Uh, Jesus fulfilling the Laws means that you're not to follow them. I'm glad that you're repressing your sexual feelings. You know, you may not have even been homosexual to begin with... hormones do funny things. In fact, you weren't. You can't change your sexuality. You're either lying to yourself or were never gay to begin with.
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:02 am
In Medias Res IV Imitation Stradivarius Homosexuality is wrong. I've gotten over my shame and I'm willing to admit that I've experienced it first hand. Levitican law forbids it, and in Matthew 5:17-18, Jesus says (in a nutshell) that not only did He fulfill the OT laws, but that every letter of it is to be kept until the day He returns. Uh, Jesus fulfilling the Laws means that you're not to follow them. I'm glad that you're repressing your sexual feelings. You know, you may not have even been homosexual to begin with... hormones do funny things. In fact, you weren't. You can't change your sexuality. You're either lying to yourself or were never gay to begin with. It's nice that you can assume things from you pedastal.
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:05 am
Imitation Stradivarius In Medias Res IV Imitation Stradivarius Homosexuality is wrong. I've gotten over my shame and I'm willing to admit that I've experienced it first hand. Levitican law forbids it, and in Matthew 5:17-18, Jesus says (in a nutshell) that not only did He fulfill the OT laws, but that every letter of it is to be kept until the day He returns. Uh, Jesus fulfilling the Laws means that you're not to follow them. I'm glad that you're repressing your sexual feelings. You know, you may not have even been homosexual to begin with... hormones do funny things. In fact, you weren't. You can't change your sexuality. You're either lying to yourself or were never gay to begin with. It's nice that you can assume things from you pedastal. Gee, I'm only gay and want to kill myself because of it and have tried to change my sexuality for a very VERY long time.
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:16 am
In Medias Res IV Imitation Stradivarius In Medias Res IV Imitation Stradivarius Homosexuality is wrong. I've gotten over my shame and I'm willing to admit that I've experienced it first hand. Levitican law forbids it, and in Matthew 5:17-18, Jesus says (in a nutshell) that not only did He fulfill the OT laws, but that every letter of it is to be kept until the day He returns. Uh, Jesus fulfilling the Laws means that you're not to follow them. I'm glad that you're repressing your sexual feelings. You know, you may not have even been homosexual to begin with... hormones do funny things. In fact, you weren't. You can't change your sexuality. You're either lying to yourself or were never gay to begin with. It's nice that you can assume things from you pedastal. Gee, I'm only gay and want to kill myself because of it and have tried to change my sexuality for a very VERY long time. Well, how can you assume things about someone's life - a life I might add, that you have no part of until a half hour ago - and say things like that? Maybe we both should go to some brainwashing clinic and get the queer talked out of us.
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:19 am
Imitation Stradivarius In Medias Res IV Imitation Stradivarius In Medias Res IV Imitation Stradivarius Homosexuality is wrong. I've gotten over my shame and I'm willing to admit that I've experienced it first hand. Levitican law forbids it, and in Matthew 5:17-18, Jesus says (in a nutshell) that not only did He fulfill the OT laws, but that every letter of it is to be kept until the day He returns. Uh, Jesus fulfilling the Laws means that you're not to follow them. I'm glad that you're repressing your sexual feelings. You know, you may not have even been homosexual to begin with... hormones do funny things. In fact, you weren't. You can't change your sexuality. You're either lying to yourself or were never gay to begin with. It's nice that you can assume things from you pedastal. Gee, I'm only gay and want to kill myself because of it and have tried to change my sexuality for a very VERY long time. Well, how can you assume things about someone's life - a life I might add, that you have no part of until a half hour ago - and say things like that? Maybe we both should go to some brainwashing clinic and get the queer talked out of us. We cannot change our sexuality. Instead of lying to ourselves and living unhappily we SHOULD be embracing who we are.
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