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Well I think your text is too small and your grammar makes me die a little inside, but other than that, the allies are looking like a good consept.

Honestly you'd have to look at the allies and decide what you want to do with them. For instance, being that I like the green/black golgari-esque style of play, I'd make a green black ally deck that plays with the graveyard and neglecting the red.

Without having checked into those cards in particular(yet), I can tell you right now planes walkers are a waste of time and deck space. You are also a tad land heavy. Take the most expensive cards of each color, mana waise, and add 3 to for more lands than that... When done if under 20 lands add heavier on the more expensive side. 20 is a solid number for mana.

There are three main things that bother me about your type style.

1. Font. regular font is clearly visible and appropriate for all manner of conversing. The only reason i can think of for any fornt smaller is for whispering in RPs. I will henceforth remove your small font code from all my quotations of you.
2. Not spelling out your words. it's y-o-u not "U"
3. Inappropriate capitalization. You don't have to capitalize every word just proper nouns, the begenning of each sentance and the word I.

I don't mean to be harsh but it bothers me to try to read your posts.

@Fubar Honestly, No Plainswalkers are NOT a waste. THey are very very good. Heres the top 8 decklists in Standard 2009

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/eventcoverage/worlds09/sndrdtop8decks

Here are the top 4 National Teams Deck list for Legacy, extended and Standard

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/eventcoverage/worlds09/teamtop4decks

Many of them HAVE Plainswalkers. You can not judge a decks without Looking into ALL the cards. You always post up a judgement of cards without Looking at the whole picture, and your advice is a tad uneducated. (Sorry this is not ment to BASH you, I have noticed that many of your posts completely dismiss a certain card and many of your claims are not "valid" so to say)

You need to keep up to date with cards and decks before completely Crapping on a type. If you post say a couple of links from a VALID site it is like qouting something, You are backing up your stance with another source that is educated.

If Plainswalkers are really a "waste of time" they would not sell for so high, and would not be in original deckslists of very Competetive tornys.

If you say that those competetive torny decklists are "not good" or "not valid" for my stance, Please Prove me otherwise.

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First and formost, Spelling is not that big of a deal, so don't let that get too you, As long as you post in the guild and keep it active, it is fine. The way you type is easy for someone to read. remember this is a Magic guild, not a English class. And EricCha you are more senior in this guild than He is, and you've also proved to be quite knowlegable in This Card game. Size 9 Font is the standard Gaian, Most people use that here on gaia, I have no trouble reading it.

As for your deck, It seems like you have a good start, knowing that you are normally a Standard Format Player, I see where you are going. I would not suggest Harabaz druid just because you are using only 2 colors. You should tap into the white source, because they have many cheap costing allies.

A thing you need to keep in mind is that allies normally work better with More of them. So I suggest keeping your high costing allies to 2 each. and place more cheap costing allies. That way you will still have a early game

Harrow is very very very good, it is by far better than Explore. But because your land is so heavy, and you have harabaz you dont really need explore I suggest. I suggest making your lands go down to 22.

Out of the allies you've chosen they are very very good, But they work better with more allies, so go into white with the cheaper costing allies like "Hada Freeblade" "Kanzu Blade master" and "Talus paladin". Kabira Evangle is also a good white ally.

You dont need putrid leech or visionary elf, they dont really HELP your allies work better, What is good about the allie mechanic is that each spell you play Makes your other cards work better. so more allies would make your deck better.

Maelstorm pulse is good. durress is a well planed out card. Vines of vaste wood isn't too good, you would only use it to save a specific Card. I would suggest using a path to exil (if you do splash white) or a Oblivian ring(white) it will take care of their cards that are big dumb jerks.

Do not use Furbars Mana Example, if you wanna divide up your mana, divide your spells by color, then count up the number of COLORED mana symbols. The more colored mana of course you would go into more. you can divide it to your liking. 20 is NOT a good number to stop for lands DEPENDING on your deck. If you look at the links above, you see that The they use around 24 lands Average. You made a good move by using 24. I suggest going down to 22 if you plan on using harrow though because harrows are like fetch lands in a sence

You don't need 4 Verdant catacombs most reasons people use those types of lands is if you had like only 4 swamps and you needed something to fish them out, and if you already had a swamp to start out with you can use it to fish out a green mana. Basicly use fetch lands for what you spashe into a deck (splashing terms is like have 2 colors and putting in like 1 card that is not of your colors).

You would only need 2 Catacombs if you wanted to be garrenteed to use both green and black.

If fubar actually looked at every card. He could actually GIVE you good advice "Without having checked into those cards in particular(yet)" quoted from fubar. The only advice he gave was to Not use plainswalkers and to make your land base go down to 20. Without suggesting you a reason why you should do it.

I would like to say Mr. ERicChan That your decklist is very good start for start of a Standard Deck.

Here is My argument against that. Plainwalkers getting no use? if they use one spell on the walker, you get card advantage as well as at least one Abil. If say the opponant is abble to deal dammage on your walker, then Better the walker then you. If you are able to protect the walker, then you are in a good enough position to abbuse their abbility more.

Your reasoning for having them be beneficial at Turn 4 is easily countered.

Let us take Garruk. he costs 4. okay, given that he is green, It is safe to say he would come out at turn 3 at earliest, use him to untap mana, then you can play lets say a Rampet growth. Wow you get a extra land source! Along with another Punching bag for them NOT to hit you! Hmm or you can use him to get a 3/3 beast to protect him even further.

Let us take Ajani Goldmane. seeing that the abbility that is mostly abbuse is his Give all your creatures +1+1 counter! hmmm okay and all your creatures get vigil as well, I think I just boosted my army up and still are to attack AND block with them... Hmmm and he only cost 4... I'm sure that that one use is better than most of the ONE time use spells in standard. If they are able to Kill ajani as well, seeing as your creatures are still untapped.

One turn with them

No you told him to Go down to 20 lands saying that is the Solid. Also you told him to Take the Most expensive card of a color and add 3-4 more lands than that for his deck.


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Well seeing on how your treat the People in the guild, And I do recall someone claiming to Have "Super Great Decks" that people love to steal -cough- Fubar -cough-

I am pretty sure that I could care less if YOU personally think my advice is good or not, I have dealt with many Gaia magic players who find my help very Valuable.

I think you saying "Well I think your text is too small and your grammar makes me die a little inside" was UNnessacary to EricCha. and also "I can tell you right now planes walkers are a waste of time and deck space" is you CLAIMING that is an Undisbuted Law.


See how I am backing up everything I say with you?

I do think most people In this guild find my advice more fruitful then yours. Because you have NO evidence to show your support And no Real suggestions, just random opinions for Mana and Plainswalkers that You claim to be True.

If you think I come off to be a "Ultra Impressive Magic player" than I must thank you for viewing me that way. mrgreen you basicly think I am a very good magic player. haha mrgreen heart mrgreen heart

Haha Well I ment that ONE little segment was not to bash you "Many of them HAVE Plainswalkers. You can not judge a decks without Looking into ALL the cards. You always post up a judgement of cards without Looking at the whole picture, and your advice is a tad uneducated" If you read a bit more closely

Gives some "constructive" critisism to him Deck not the way he spells things

Really? So now it is only an Opinion? Please keep that in mind and state is as well then next time you post! mrgreen

The previose post just now was completely ment to Bash you

Really? I have the arrogance of that? Hmm I suppose, But the only person who seems to have a problem with me seems to be just you. I have only put the things YOU say DOWN with evidence that your claims are Untrue. Don't blame me if My links prove you wrong, It's not arrogance, it's argueing a viewpoint in a professional Mannar. By all means, if you say something that I agree uppon I will say it.

"they offer you no more benifit than a creature or spell of the same variety" where are your links? and where are your Valid sources against my arguement with Plainswalkers?

The reasoning I am posting, is that you are just asking for it. Again if you post something I agree with OR back up your viewpoint with say a GOOD AND VALID senario/link, well then, I will. HOw hard is it for you to Back your views up with somethign Valid?

Since you could not see the" mrgreen heart " as Sarcasum, it proves how Dull you really are.

JUST BECAUSE A TOP PLAYER IS "TOP" is because they come up with GOOD decks. NO they are NOT better than A player, they do have knowledge in certain things. But that's it, they could just play diffrensly


Yup All I am doing is Attacking you, Please look at your other posts. By all means you need more support.

In this guild I am not the only critic, I dont like how you treat the people in this guild period. Boros, theemo, Ghoul. and many others I respect.

Logic? I think it is Illogical how you think "Top players" are Better. No they are THE TOP DECK LISTS!!!!! It had NOTHING to do with PLAYERS. READ THE LINK. Put out a scenario! O wait... you couldnt even read that... hmm.

Yup I was Totally that guy, I bet you were the Dumbass who backed up 2+2 = 10 and Completely Believed it. Getting wedgied for being smart isn't as bad as being the guy who sucked those said "jocks" During school just to look cool hanging out with them. -cough- Fubar -cough-

See I can come up with better insults than your first grade Stereotypes. If you can't handle the insults of someone online then By all means Leave. As if I personally care. While your at it, Grow a pair, and get more experience.

But still, even to the end, you can't back up your own Position or viewpoint. You're just the person who argues because you don't like being proved Wrong.



Now for anyone who just comes into this let's Talk about Decklists, and Cards

@ Boros

Hey Boros!!!

been awhile, Yeah I absolutely LOVE your concept here.

The only thing I see that might prove difficult is you having no cards in hand (which happens to me quite a bit if I play a burn type deck in multi player) Have you looked at Chandra Ablaze? The first abblility is good to discard and deal dmg. 2nd abbil is would be to, well if no cards in your hand it gives you more spells to play. and last abbility, is well just great. Maybe consider putting only one of her or switching out one of your higher costing cards

I am not too fond of emberwilde, just because I dont find myself using his abbility ever, I would suggest replacing him with shocks, just because to use his abbility you have to use it during your upkeep instead of instant speed.


Unstable footing is alright, If is just a better version of lava ax. Not too many cards prevent dmg, so I dont see that happening too often. I would consider useing another cheaper burn spell. just because your mana curve seems high

Keldon is just great. you would obviosely jsut keep attacking with him.

Keldon Megaliths I think is not too good. just because you have to pay 3 (including it's own tapping) to use its abbil so paying 3 for 1 dmg is very lacking


I would suggest to lighten your mana curve and use less high costing spells. Have you looking into the 7 spells elemental burn deck, its very popular in the tribal format, but I think some concepts from it might be easier for you. But that dekc would only work in 1 on 1.

If you dont use chandra ablaze, think about using Grim lava master but dont use grim if you are using abalze

I tried and tried to get Ablaze to work in here, but she was always too slow. Thought about mana acceleration, too, but then I lose burn power.

Keldon Megaliths cost Tap 1R to use. I like the fact they can't be countered since they're lands.

I run into a lot of Holy days, Fogs, Safe Passages, and even Darkness, so the Footings here are necessary.

Yeah, the curve is a bit high, but just switches some stuff out can fix that a little. This deck was built to last until mid game if possible.

Thanks for the critique. biggrin