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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 6:16 pm


Wotan Manasal
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And I change December to another month, because celebrating the birth of Jesus in December is an invention by the church in an attempt to step on Winter solstice festivals. xd
It's called "marketing". I'm not a Christian, but I approve. xd


Oh, yeah, the Catholic church has had one of the most impressive Marketing machines ever invented.

It's almost scary.
PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 7:49 pm


>> On the subject of the fandom's horrible tendency to over-exaggerate characters, I bring to question none other than the most prominent example. The entirely fan-made Mary Sue of all Mary Sues within Touhou- 'Ex' Rumina.

Let's just take this into perspective for a moment. Canonically shown to be weak, simple-minded, and little of a threat. In the fandom? A super-powered Sue who's supposed control over a catch-all element apparently grants her super-badass powers from out of nowhere and makes her unimaginably powerful. Despite being a stage one boss, she's apparently a memetic goddess.

Can anyone say fanDUMB? Because I certainly can. Moreover, she's been around for a while. Which leads me to question who first came up with it and just why. Just...dear god why? She's about the only one the fandom has done this to, and I can't fathom the how or why. She's worse than Yuka, and I've already been over how much I bloody-well hate that b***h in the tacky plaid dress. It boggles the mind how people can take a character, bastardize it, then claim they're being clever and original by throwing it well into God-mode Sue territory. It really does.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 10:14 pm


Cyrus Nicholai Greywolf
Can anyone say fanDUMB?


It's fanDUMB. VERY FANDUMB.
PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:57 pm


This thread is best thread.

<3

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 8:17 am


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 11:34 am


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My case in point, validated, and confirmed. =|

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 12:38 pm


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My case in point, validated, and confirmed. =|
Not really fanon, but more so EXTREMELY elaborated theory, as her power boost only shows up when her hair ribbon is removed, which never happens in-game, but you know, if her hair ribbon was removed, power boost or not, she would at least become a Touhou girl without a head ornament, which is amazing unto itself.
PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:26 pm


So thusly, she'd be worthy of such a power boost, correct?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 4:18 pm


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Just... why? Why the Engrish? Why?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 4:51 pm


For once, not even I know.

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Shingami Hiroshi

PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 9:49 pm


Parth Makeo
I have found a new thing i hate about Touhou...
I hate certain drawings of the yukkuri's. There are a few that makes them hugable but then there are the ones (not original versions) that make them either Retarded and/or Creepy.

The Good
The *shudder* freaky
and my favorite...
with Tako Luka!


Come now, the yukkuris just want to be your friend. I wouldn't say that I hate them, ofcourse I wouldn't say I like them either. They play their part, like puchuus, being "cute" canon fodder for abuse and to make random cameo appearances in the background. However, I think they are supposed to look like creepy retards. I can dig their message however, words to live by ( cool <-already taking it easy cause he is incredible lazy).

PS - Tako Luka picture is quite cute, dispite being disembodied heads, which usually has the opposite effect.

PPS - Any one read Yukkuri Balloons?

Wotan Manasal
Alice, in my opinion, is not a tsundere at all...

-At the beginning of her interview with Aya in Bohemian Archive in Japanese Red, she holds a small (argument?) with the tengu journalist regarding the fact that Aya ruined her straw effigie ritual, yet Alice doesn't treats Aya harshly; she even seems a bit shy or defensive about it.
- Her Immaterial and Missing Power profile says: "She pretends that she has a strong attitude, but truthfully she is kind of a coward in her heart."


I do agree that on general Alice appears to simply be a type of introvert (She will let you stay at her house if you are lost, but she won't talk to you and will spend the whole time working on her dolls). However there are times where Alice seems to present tsun characteristics. Along with dialog in IN, two of your examples can aslo be seen to suggest a tsundere character trait.

In the Bohemian, Archive article, while Alice does act nice, Aya does note "Though she said it was only for research, she returned to her performance with such vigour and such a terrifying expression that I decided not to bother her any further and ended my questioning" (This mind you, while performing a ritual used to curse another by driving nails into a doll representing them). Also in the interview when Aya asks who exactly the dolls were representing, Alice avoids answering while seeming to threaten Aya with a hammer and nail.

"She pretends that she has a strong attitude, but truthfully she is kind of a coward in her heart." Would not this description also fit with a tsundere character, placing a strong front (A possible tsun character trait) while hiding a more vulnerable inner personality (or a possible dere trait).

In either case my objective is not to actually say that Alice is tsundere, but merely say that it falls into realms of reason of how and why a person may see Alice as such.

Anatole_serial

That, she is.

But that's not ALL she is.

She's also THE STRONGEST!

(all joking aside, she IS probably the strongest fairy... so even if she's a total fool, she has some reason to be proud of her own strength...)


That she is, so strong she is delaying the next numbered game with her own spin off.

Haha, I guess there is no real reason for me to argue the counter point to someone who just want to place more focus on traits a character has outside their most popular ones, but the argumetn seem one sided so i thought I would play the villian.

Anatole_serial
Dammit, the topic was dropped and I had like a couple of hundreds of words to say on the subject of religion and Touhou.

OH WELL. xd


Wait, so the conversation shifted from comparing a sacred figure in a person's religion to a fictional character who had simular exploits as causing a discomfort for that person, to comparing the whole religion to a propaganda organization and claiming one of their holidays to held on false grounds? Some how that seems wrong...

Okay, I will go over ex-rumia in my next post since this one already seems a bit long. Got to stay with the conversation.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 11:58 am


Shingami Hiroshi
They play their part, like puchuus, being "cute" canon fodder for abuse
That's the only role they're really good at.

Shingami Hiroshi
Aya does note "[...] she returned to her performance with such vigour and such a terrifying expression [...]" (This mind you, while performing a ritual used to curse another [...] Alice avoids answering while seeming to threaten Aya with a hammer and nail.
Aya's remark, in my opinion, only makes Alice look like an introvert even more. By the way... when does Alice seem to threaten Aya? I haven't noticed that anywhere in the article.

Shingami Hiroshi
"She pretends that she has a strong attitude, but truthfully she is kind of a coward in her heart." Would not this description also fit with a tsundere character, placing a strong front (A possible tsun character trait) while hiding a more vulnerable inner personality (or a possible dere trait).
As far as I know, being a tsuntsun is not the same as having a strong personality. You can have a strong personality and not act aggressive against others. Alice, in fact, only seems to act aggressively against others when she takes part on incidents, and even in those cases she limits herself to doing snarky remarks or comments. That's why I think that Alice pretends to have a strong personality only when really bad things (incidents and such) happen, and that she behaves like an average loner in everyday life.

Woutan Kuunsuru


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:12 pm


Also, remember that Bohemian Archive is written by Aya... Not the most reliable source for cold, hard facts... sweatdrop
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