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Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 3:06 pm
I agree Taigaa....though I can see ways around that.....unless Dante can figure it out I say he not be allowed to do it!!!! ninja rofl
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Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 3:11 pm
Taigaa-tono Oooh, do I get to yell at Dante?
-goes to read-
Yeah, I'm lost. It looks to me like Roi used the rat power mimic thing to go through Sakura's shadow, but now he's sitting on Enfer's tongue so that means he's using two at once which you said he couldn't do. At first I thought the rat turned into Enfer, but then it'd only have Enfer's abilities, not Sakura's shadow hopping. And if it turned into Sakura, where's the other Sakura? gonk I can safely say I have no idea what you're doing in this post.
Also, I thought shadow transportation was limited by size in that something huge couldn't come out of a small shadow. At least, I'm pretty sure that's how it goes. Well first he used the Sol to mimic Sakura's power and place him, and the rat inside her shadow. Just as they were beginning to exit-- around the time Roi would say 'Boo'-- he'd switch to Enfer.
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II Palmtop Tiger II Vice Captain
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Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 3:18 pm
Dante_Shadowolf Taigaa-tono Oooh, do I get to yell at Dante?
-goes to read-
Yeah, I'm lost. It looks to me like Roi used the rat power mimic thing to go through Sakura's shadow, but now he's sitting on Enfer's tongue so that means he's using two at once which you said he couldn't do. At first I thought the rat turned into Enfer, but then it'd only have Enfer's abilities, not Sakura's shadow hopping. And if it turned into Sakura, where's the other Sakura? gonk I can safely say I have no idea what you're doing in this post.
Also, I thought shadow transportation was limited by size in that something huge couldn't come out of a small shadow. At least, I'm pretty sure that's how it goes. Well first he used the Sol to mimic Sakura's power and place him, and the rat inside her shadow. Just as they were beginning to exit-- around the time Roi would say 'Boo'-- he'd switch to Enfer.Which would immediately cancel the rat's ability to shadow hop and cut Enfer in half, yes?
Because you said they can only exist one at a time, and when the rat's power goes, Sakura's power goes. So... dead Enfer is dead.
Senna: I wonder what whale tastes like...
That aside, I wish you had explained it more, it doesn't even talk about the rat changing into Sakura and pulling Roi into a shadow.
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Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 3:21 pm
Not really, if Roi is already out then he can simply call back the rat before summoning Enfer.
Roi: It tastes like burning. biggrin
True, but it was more of a surprise kind of thing. So I wasn't sure if I should explain it in detail that much.
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Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 3:26 pm
-buries face in hands-
I'm so confused. Any time I've seen a power switcher switch up abilities, the power that's put away is completely gone and the new one is apparent. Common sense tells me that once the rat is no longer Sakura or is gone, it can no longer pull Roi through the shadow, so it would trap him inside forever.
The way both Sakura and Senna's shadow hopping works is they can only extend the ability to someone else with physical contact. Actually, I can only speak for Senna, not Sakura because I don't know if Flecky had that in mind.
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Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 3:28 pm
True, but if Roi is already out of the shadow then he wouldn't need the rat to pull him out of it.
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Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 3:39 pm
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Soleil has to be put away before Enfer could come out, right? Okay, that's settled. So, if Roi was inside Enfer's mouth and Enfer came out in the shadows so he could get in the beast's mouth, then that means the switch between the two familiars was made inside the shadow. That means Soleil was gone while they were still inside. Thus, there's no exit point for the two, because Soleil is no longer there to guide them out.
Therefore and in conclusion, they lost the shadow-hopping ability while they were inside the shadows, so Roi is stuck inside the shadow realm and forever lost like Dolor.
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Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 4:22 pm
Kojiro Inugami Virgil_Ex It wouldn't do anything. All shadow dancer type powers work of the premise that all shadows are connected in some way and you can enter and exit them at will. Consider this: If you make a new light source that eliminates the shadow that a shadow dancer is in, you're simultaneously creating a shadow below them, their shadow, which one could contend was there all along but was invisible due to it being concealed by the shadow they were in. All they would have to do is move to their own shadow and voila problem solved.
I say that because I've had the same issue come up in a D&D game before. And what if Genji were to wipe out the building below and surround them in an inferno, thereby eliminating the proper objects for shadows to be cast on, would they get cut in half now that they have no where to go? Aha. Crafty one. You have stumbled upon the easiest way ever to kill a shadow dancer (at least in D&D). If you destroy the object that is casting the shadow they are in/just entered/exiting before they are fully out of it, they become trapped in dimensional limbo between reality and the shadow plane until the object is restored in it's entirety and thus it's shadow is restored allowing them to fully cross over into whichever dimension.
The situation that brought up this argument with my friends and I occurred when a shadow dancer jumped into the shadow of a tower shield that was promptly destroyed by a crafty mage who had prepared disintegration. Long story short, the character died of dehydration days later in limbo. twisted
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Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 4:32 pm
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Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 5:03 pm
Sorry I was gone for a while 3nodding
I was on a short trip. Posting now.
Edit: Posted :3
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Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:09 pm
Virgil_Ex Kojiro Inugami Virgil_Ex It wouldn't do anything. All shadow dancer type powers work of the premise that all shadows are connected in some way and you can enter and exit them at will. Consider this: If you make a new light source that eliminates the shadow that a shadow dancer is in, you're simultaneously creating a shadow below them, their shadow, which one could contend was there all along but was invisible due to it being concealed by the shadow they were in. All they would have to do is move to their own shadow and voila problem solved.
I say that because I've had the same issue come up in a D&D game before. And what if Genji were to wipe out the building below and surround them in an inferno, thereby eliminating the proper objects for shadows to be cast on, would they get cut in half now that they have no where to go? Aha. Crafty one. You have stumbled upon the easiest way ever to kill a shadow dancer (at least in D&D). If you destroy the object that is casting the shadow they are in/just entered/exiting before they are fully out of it, they become trapped in dimensional limbo between reality and the shadow plane until the object is restored in it's entirety and thus it's shadow is restored allowing them to fully cross over into whichever dimension.
The situation that brought up this argument with my friends and I occurred when a shadow dancer jumped into the shadow of a tower shield that was promptly destroyed by a crafty mage who had prepared disintegration. Long story short, the character died of dehydration days later in limbo. twisted I'm not a nerd for nothing! It's a shame Genji's not at that level yet, or I would be tempted to try it out.
Either way, I suppose I can't post until Sarah and Anna are satisfied with Dante's post. In the meantime, b33r! And b3wbz! -gropes Sarah-
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Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 8:18 pm
-slaps hands away- No touchy, I hurt.
I suppose it's a good thing Hei's retiring or that new RPC would end up as science fodder for not using Hei's title. Then again, he'd still be Hakase-sama given his noble status.
Hei: -sips tea- I say.
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II Palmtop Tiger II Vice Captain
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Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:43 pm
Taigaa-tono ...
Soleil has to be put away before Enfer could come out, right? Okay, that's settled. So, if Roi was inside Enfer's mouth and Enfer came out in the shadows so he could get in the beast's mouth, then that means the switch between the two familiars was made inside the shadow. That means Soleil was gone while they were still inside. Thus, there's no exit point for the two, because Soleil is no longer there to guide them out.
Therefore and in conclusion, they lost the shadow-hopping ability while they were inside the shadows, so Roi is stuck inside the shadow realm and forever lost like Dolor. Isn't it possible for Roi to exit the shadow and then use Enfer? Seems pretty straight forward to me.
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Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:46 pm
But he wasn't out of the shadow, you said yourself he was inside Enfer, who was coming out of the shadow, making him inside the shadow by extension. And if Soliel is gone, they shouldn't even be in the shadow or able to come out of it.
Obviously neither of us is making sense to the other or something... Come on, someone help me out here. >.>
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Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:57 pm
It does seem like you guys are arguing two different points.
Dante's timeline: Enter shadow -> Exit and say "Boo" -> Summon Enfer
Taigaa's timeline: Enter shadow -> summon Enfer -> Exit and say "Boo"
Which, I can see how that would cause a problem because if Roi doesn't have inherent shadow powers, without the other summon to guide him out, he and Enfer would become trapped in the shadow plane as Taigaa said. Upon reading the post, imo, the timeline flows like this:
Virgil's timeline: Enter shadow -> Exit and say "Boo" -> Enfer exits shadow
So Roi comes out (though I think you should more clearly state that he came out first Dante if only for clarity's sake 3nodding ) then Enfer erupted from it howling and I'm guessing picking Roi up in his mouth in the process? The problem is, like Taigaa said, that Enfer can't come out from the shadow because he doesn't have the ability to. I suggest rewriting the part where Enfer appears from the shadow and instead stay, for instance, he appears full breach from nothing behind Roi howling and all with his open mouth aimed directly at Sakura. Like move where he speaks to just after he appears then say something like: The word kinda had barely passed Roi's lips when reality itself began to ripple in a large radius like waves on the ocean as Enfer burst forth through the space time fabric, as a whale would burst forth from the water as it breached the surface, mouth agape and watering with anxiety at the thought devouring of the meal presented before it.
Then he could continue on with the taunts as Enfer flew at Sakura leaving her even less time to dodge than how it's currently written and minimizing her time to plan a counter since she'll mostly be flowing on reflex. This also takes care of the questions of whether or not it would actually fit through the shadow. Though that's just a suggestion. I also apologize if I'm being insulting. It is by no means intentional I assure you.
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