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LuvMonke

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:52 pm


[ Cognitive Genome ]
Contrary to popular belief, there have been people who have actually WON their fights (KO) and still have lost via points - see Gold vs. Vince. If your teammate had been dealing with a BS opponent, I would have seen it and would have slapped him down hard.


Wait a sec...

Are you saying Gold was a bit of a BS opponent?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:53 pm


{-exists.-

-lazily at that; with a yawn to cherry top it-

Woaw? O-o

Meh -patented dissmissive hand wave-

So whom wants to fight? I finished my quest, so no wagers from my side...

But the funs still to be had. ^_^
-will be back after a bowl to check for any takers-

power level 3 preferably; though bring what you want, h2h power match preferably; but i honestly will just adapt to any situation; so bring whatever weapons you want as well.

-Don't care where; just that it starts soon within some one accepting, and setting up terms/rules if they have any to lay down-

Now...

Bowl time..
-trots off-}

countgraves


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:56 pm


Durf hits like a girl.

talk2hand
PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:04 pm


You don't have to be necessarily as strong as somebody to choke them out in such a way. Landing the choke hold effectively triggers a natural reaction and in normal circumstances ends the fight quickly. Having landed the choke, it's only feasible that resistance would progressively drop. And I've already stated why I was so stubborn about not just moving on. Kuwabara was demanding I take something a lot more than a partial hit, with both fighters starting neutral and standing in the center, and since any damage I had dealt earlier was simply brushed off, I was expecting the same to happen again and didn't want to unfairly deal with "I'm so strong just because".

But I don't quite understand how you're trying to apply physics entirely to a fantasy land that by the nature of its existence defies physics. I could show you the times in fiction where a kid stopped a car or s**t with their finger, or hell even just Superman stopping trains and s**t. And besides all that, I did mention sprawling, which itself does a lot to negate some of the effects of a take down.

But I can tell you now that if you want someone to learn something, saying s**t like

Quote:
It makes you want to reach through and just slap the silly s**t out of the player, and further condemns Rock Fist as an organization that DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO ******** FIGHT. Swear to God, unless they can prove that they can actually improve, they shouldn't be allowed in a respectable fighting tournament.


does not cut it.

If you were really interested in promoting improvement you could supply alternate means to the same end that they tried and failed, like you just tried to do with me. But if you're going to sit there and tell me how much I suck, I'm nor I don't think anyone else is going to give a ******** about what you say.

Dear Princess Molestia


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:13 pm


Actually, Superman usually does have to dig in to stop things much larger then himself. Also, he can fly.

That quote right there implies that alternate means have already been applied, and they (Rock Fist) still failed. So the point of attempting to help the player improve with constructive criticsm is moot, and is completely skipped, like you so noted.

Also, Gaia, by your logic, does not have gravity.

Or air friction.

EDIT: I'd still give a ******** about what Cog says.

And I believe most reasonable people will too.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:16 pm


@ Monke: Actually got mixed up in that, and neither are bad rp'ers. Still instances of someone who was more dominant/kicking a** losing, though, such as Soyoka (sp?) vs. Somhalrie (sp?)

@ Kamiha:

=| Physics still matter in roleplay fight. People who think otherwise are fools. What comics/shows do are stupid - even if your character is super strong, if they get hit by something hard, heavy and moving fast, they are gonna go flying if they are not braced against something. Might not get hurt, depending on if they are super durable, but a human is going to go flying when they are hit by a car, period. Not the exact same caliber as your case, but it is still the same idea. Your character should have gotten trampled/hurled away, or in this instance (due to you grabbing him and going down), crushed because all of that momentum suddenly being driven into the ground and into your character's chest. You obviously don't listen to what judges say, so you could have ignored Kuwanbara's demands and have gotten away with a minor hit and rolled away or something. You'd have then been in position to still kick Vince's a** and would have won.

And the Rock Fist comment? Time and time again they have given bad fights, constantly copying off of other series entirely and are just a pain to deal with. It's harsh and my words were excessive, but they are entirely true - unless they can prove that they can fight and write profiles effectively, they should not be allowed in. The same can be said with ANYONE - it just so happens that Rock Fist has a huge concentration of people like this.

[ Cognitive Genome ]


LuvMonke

Dapper Dabbler

PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:23 pm


Fierach
EDIT: I'd still give a ******** about what Cog says.

And I believe most reasonable people will too.


Yeah, Cog is like the RP-fighting Budda...in more ways than one.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:24 pm


Dude, we killed a guy in a football game.

Twice. They had to airlift this kid off the field after fibrillating him TWICE to get him stable. Then he was in a coma for like five ******** months and when he finally woke up he had to re-learn how to talk.

And the people tackling this kid? 180-240 lb range, our team wasn't even that big. Mind you, he had brain hemorrhaging from these hits. And that level of lethality is pretty rare. So it's a little stretch of a comparison, but that's the sort of head injures you get from lowering your head.

But a full body tackle against someone half your size is really going to hurt. The person getting tackled is going to be really hurting, even if they get the person in a choke once they hit the ground. Sprawling would only lower your own elevation, and then you're getting hit in the chest, not the waist. Notwithstanding the particulars of Kamiha's and Vince's fight, just going on generalities here. It's also worth noting that a straight tackle is in no way, shape, or form like a take-down, which is much more controlled. So I'm just working on what a tackle can or would do, not something entirely different. A take-down is easy to negate with a sprawl.

But all in all, a full on football tackle, with no pads, will really ruin someone's day if they take it head on without being at least as big as the tackler. Strength is really irrelevant to size, speed, weight, and momentum. The reason running backs and ball carriers in general can sustain hits is because they're running usually. Most injuries come when the guy getting tackled is standing still, because he has zero momentum to counter the tackle or reduce its hitting power.

But 112 pounder getting tackled by 300 pound guy? It's like a college lineman tackling a friggin' twelve year old kid.

Also, on the same subject (sort of, but not really) :

The problem in Kamiha's fight stemming from that slam is that Sayuri is using an OOC mistake to gain an advantage with the slam/no slam. That, in and of itself, is a break-down of communication, and was probably the first place where stuff started to slow down. If you KNOW they read your post wrong - and someone making a move before/after the fact of your own timing would be pretty obvious - you should correct them so they can edit it properly, or do something different. This sort of thing is probably the number one cause of arguments, when there isn't proper OOC communications to make sure each other's posts mesh.

An example of this is my fight with Sayuri in HoH. She mis-read something in my post and blocked an attack to her left, when it was actually coming from the right. Instead of trying to capitalize on what was clearly an OOC mistake, I PMed her and let her know where the problem was and she fixed it and blocked properly. Now, I could have just used her post and had the attack go in completely flush. But that would have immediately caused problems, and probably ground the fight to a halt. So, instead of just continuing on, I initiated OOC communication to keep things running smoothly.

An example of where this backfires: Roen's fight against Yujiro. He tried to enforce an attack after I misinterpreted it. This backfired horribly for him, and put his character into a position where he was pretty much being crushed to death. Had he instead PMed me after I made the mistake, we would have probably found the root of the problem, then solved it.

TL;DR: Good sportsmanship and common sense dictates that you need to contact someonet if they make an OOC mistake reading the post (or a 'clerical error', if you will), instead of trying to use the mistake to your advantage. That's pretty much outright ignoring the OOC lines of communication you have available, and pretty much completely ******** up the fight when it inevitably devolves into an argument. It's these sort of things that end up causing big ******** arguments and BAAAAWWWFESTS. If people would just PM their opponent and say "I think you misread part of my post, this is what's happening..." you would probably have considerably less arguments. People's IC posts need to mesh together to keep the fight going, not diverge along two completely different ideas of what's happening.

*End rant.*

The Thunder Tyrant


countgraves

PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:25 pm


{-ignored-

Very good then...

If any body wants to suck up their ego, and decide to see how good the turnip really is;

Come see me.

I'm taking open challenges at this point. Since I've freely challenged basically all of you with no real response..-except ebris; Cog; I'll pm ya in what? two weeks?Done deal.-

^_^

-fades into to the lurk dimension-}
PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:28 pm


Right, and I had done what you're suggesting he would have simply flat out disqualified me or some bullshit because online authority wasn't being respected.

Like I said, being in a position to sprawl would not have anyone being trampled. What people do in comics and shows are stupid, but our RP, at least the DT, is based off of a world where such things occur. It's entirely possible in fantasy based RP, which this is, for somebody to be able to not be knocked down by something bigger than them. It doesn't ignore basic principles of physics, it enters the "miracle factor" into the equation. Maybe you're just unclear on what I'm trying to convey, an obvious point since well it seems like you barely read my post in the fight at all, but it's foolish to say something like that can't happen in a fantasy world where such things are possible because your mind is set on an anime-esque fight emulating a Rocky movie or something.

And it's not about just Rock Fist, your comments for everyone that I've seen have been like that. Instead of being constructive and taking time to give corrections or alternate solutions, you only b***h and tell everybody they're stupid and they suck. That's not what judging is supposed to be about at all.

Edit for Darth

Vince's post in question said just once he was going to slam her after the point they'd be on the ground already. He then went on to describe how her pulling him down was doing XYZ. So from the numerous times he went on about such things, it was understood by me that nothing really deviated from our posts besides some misconceptions about position(spike wouldn't have been at the abdomen..).

Dear Princess Molestia


[ Cognitive Genome ]

PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:48 pm


Kuwabara wouldn't disqualify someone who had insulted his mother. He's a good guy, but he's far too nice. He'd have scolded you, but if you had taken a hit and had let go (especially since Vince wouldn't be able to rend your brain stem instantly, as hey, his bones aren't listed as anything uber sharp so it'd take a bit of effort) and rolled away, you would have been fine.

@ Physics

Except no.

Read the Goddamned AMP. Physics STILL apply to fights, or I'm gonna say that I can fart and turn your entire carbon-based structure into silicone or something silly like that. By not having physics, ESPECIALLY ones as ******** important as Newton's Laws of Motion, then why the HELL do you have rules at all in the first place? Physics define our existence, and while animu might do silly s**t to be entertaining, rp is NOT about doing what the animu characters do, despite the fact that the tournament is based around an actual series.

I'm not asking for Goddamned joules calculations. Just use common. ********. Sense. If you get hit by something big going fast when you are small and aren't braced against something, you are going to HURT and go flying.

As for Rock Fist - don't lecture me on that. I graded the first round between the two Rock Fist teams fighting. Just as awful, but I gave advice (as I even did in the first grades of the second Rock Fist fight). They didn't take it. People from the place continually ignore common sense and do stupid s**t. If they refuse to adhere to common sense and learn some stuff, then kindness goes out the window. It's even more infuriating that they teach newer fighter rp'ers what they know, which continues to facilitate the huge problem.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:48 pm


I went back and looked into the post. If he was going to slam you while you were already on the ground.. my first guess would have been that he was going to pick you up off the ground and slam you while you two were in that position. Which is entirely possible, since you just pick them up, then fall on them. That's pretty much how you slam someone when they're already on the ground, and it's not uncommon.

I have no idea if that was his intent, or if he was just using "slam" to reference plowing your character into the ground, but you seemed to ignore that portion of his post since it was around that time you guys started to argue. It still holds as an example of a place where OOC elaboration might have helped smooth things over.

The Thunder Tyrant


Dear Princess Molestia

PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:01 pm


Physics still apply, that's fine, not asserting they shouldn't. You shouldn't be such a hard a** for our real world physics when certain characters wouldn't be able to exist with out the miracle exception. A guy being able to turn into a giant a** dragon and then back to human or being able to produce a force field that can determine neutral and hostile would be some of those cases. The law of motion wasn't being ignored, the assertion is that X is capable of stopping Y force because of miracle exception. Just like X can jump over a building because of miracle exception. Physics principles still apply, but again, this isn't you, this isn't your world.

And to be fair, I tried for 3 days to try and get a review at that point with no luck. Then I just managed to get a hold of Vince and we supposedly had an understanding. I think I can safely assume that if that were his intent he would have brought it up then before telling me that we had an understanding and we worked it out.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:12 pm


Can yall just shut the ******** up now?

Lets talk about something more normal.

Like, porn star actresses.

I love me some Sora Aoi.

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Nanto Suicho Ken Rei

PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:18 pm


Fierach
Can yall just shut the ******** up now?

Lets talk about something more normal.

Like, porn star actresses.

I love me some Sora Aoi.


Maria Swan-

But no, this is clearly important. And by important, I mean it may be just what I need to lure Bustah out of hiding so I can in futility attempt to gain my rightfully earned 50,000 gold.
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