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Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 10:45 am
TeaDidikai too2sweet Part of the "wrongness" of the original quote is that the "Lord" and "Lady" refer to specific deities. Trying to randomly stick other deities into those roles is disrespectful...not only to the Lord and Lady, but to those who are actual members of their Priesthood (Wiccans). To say nothing of being disrespectful to the deities you're trying to shove in there. I mean for ******** sake, who said Kali wanted to be invoked in order to have sex with Loki? This too!! Quote: Quote: Being Eclectic does not entitle one to pick and chose whatever they want, without any regard from the cultures/paths that they are drawing from...there needs to be respect and understanding of those cultures/paths. There are certain cultures/paths that are closed to outsiders. This means that no matter how much one of these cultures/paths seems to resonate with us, if we are not a member (or have not met the "entry" requirements) of these particular cultures/paths, we do not have any authority to take any part of it, or claim that we are a member of it. In an Eclectic practice it is important to make sure that the cultures/paths that one is drawing from actually make sense being mixed together. It has always seemed a bit silly to me to try to force other deities into the roles of the Lord and Lady, especially when most deities already have their own myths/lore. Stop being so reasonable closed minded! You're making too much sense just persecuting her. I'm sorry!! emo
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Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 10:49 am
Is it wrong that I have this weird mental image of Shiva and Loki in a bar brawl over her now?
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Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 10:49 am
Loki's cheesy pickup line: "Damn Girl! You have the body of a goddess!"
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Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 10:51 am
TeaDidikai Loki's cheesy pickup line: "Damn Girl! You have the body of a goddess!" rofl rofl rofl
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Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 10:53 am
Recursive Paradox lioness of midnight Do you not know what Light is either? Or how that balancing spectrum works? I do, and you seem smart enough that I don't have to explain it to you.
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Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 10:55 am
lioness of midnight I do, and you seem smart enough that I don't have to explain it to you. Poe is thinking there is a breakdown in your cosmology. If you explain it to her, she might be able to use terms you are familiar with to explain herself to you.
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Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 10:56 am
too2sweet TeaDidikai Loki's cheesy pickup line: "Damn Girl! You have the body of a goddess!" rofl rofl rofl I really miss that Super Bowl YHVH & Thor Fanfic I wrote.
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Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 11:19 am
I think I've just found the source of my discomfort with the dualism presented in my tradition. It's not ever referring to something that simplistic, but I'm always afraid I'll be mistaken for an eclectic neopagan when it's brought up. xp There's a whole set of assumptions there that wouldn't really make sense.
Also: put my money on Shiva in that bar fight. More drunken fists in the air at once.
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Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 11:26 am
Collowrath I think I've just found the source of my discomfort with the dualism presented in my tradition. It's not ever referring to something that simplistic, but I'm always afraid I'll be mistaken for an eclectic neopagan when it's brought up. xp There's a whole set of assumptions there that wouldn't really make sense. Also: put my money on Shiva in that bar fight. More drunken fists in the air at once. Tough call, especially if Loki isn't drunk.
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Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 11:32 am
TeaDidikai Tough call, especially if Loki isn't drunk. Perhaps I should simply wait in the corner until it's all over and the crying stops. biggrin
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Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 11:43 am
Collowrath Also: put my money on Shiva in that bar fight. More drunken fists in the air at once. This is win. xd
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Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 1:20 pm
Okay so for a minute you all had me thinking that maybe I was misinformed on Loki being a not so nice deity. So I decided to check into it and realized that I was originally right.
LOKI: God of Hokey Pokey and one of the world's major Trickster Gods.
In his early days LOKI was a rascal; crafty, sneaky, silly and malicious — a Loki The Lad. The son of two Giants, he was so outrageously mischievous that he even sneaked his way into becoming a God. He was the first Anti-Hero, quick-witting his way out of the tight corners and confrontations caused by his misdeeds. But as time wore on he became increasingly nasty.
His first escapade was a very rampant romp. When the Gods were struggling to build ASGARD, they found they'd run out of funds. Which is not surprising as money and banks hadn't been invented yet. All the basic construction had been completed but they needed a large protective wall to keep the riff-raff out.
LOKI came up with the plan of contracting a Giant to do the job. As payment, the Giant asked for the Sun and Moon and also the Goddess FREYA if the work was completed to schedule. The Gods were not too sure. "Don't worry," advised LOKI. "He'll never manage it on his own, even if he works night and day — and the deal will be off. We'll let him keep the wheelbarrow or something."
Alas, the Giant was not on his own. He had a huge stallion called Svadilfari, which could haul boulders like there was no tomorrow. With three days to go, FREYA was in distress and the Gods aghast.
Now LOKI, like fire and smoke, was a shape-changer from the word go. A talent he'd developed to make him the shiftiest transmogrifier of all time — from flea to fish to fast flying feathers in 0.3 seconds. So he changed himself into a mare and seduced the Giant's stallion. By whinnying and prancing off into the woods, Svadilfari was led far away from the stone pile.
With his horse missing, the Giant didn't quite make the schedule. Seething with rage, he tried to take FREYA by force — until THOR cracked his skull with his hammer.
Meanwhile LOKI was having a fine old time frolicking in the fields. In fact he became pregnant, and decided to sample the joys of motherhood. He gave birth to a fine baby boy stallion with eight legs. He gave this as a gift to ODIN and it was called SLEIPNIR.
LOKI was now well in with top God ODIN and his son THOR, with whom he shared numerous adventures. THOR, the perfect fall guy, was persuaded to appear in drag as the prospective bride of a giant and other embarrassments. THOR could always be relied on to supply the muscle when corners became too tight for trickery.
LOKI had many run-ins with the dwarves, which he cheated at any opportunity until they stitched him up. Literally. They stitched his mouth shut, which kept him quiet for quite some time.
LOKI never missed an opportunity to take advantage of any Goddess, despite already having had three wives. The first not many folk know about, and it is only by assiduous research we have discovered GLUT, who bore two daughters EINMYRIA and EISA.
This current selection is from www.godchecker.com however there are quite a few other places I can reference to go back to the same point.
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Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 1:22 pm
lioness of midnight Celeblin Galadeneryn lioness of midnight TeaDidikai "Loki and Kali are my Lord and Lady." Now, that is naughty. There is nothing wrong with having a dark lord and lady. .... What the ******** is dark about Loki? Honestly? I don't recall him described as Dark. Are you insinuating he's evil? First off, I was saying that it was wrong that someone posted that a Pagan shouldn't say that they worship either one of these deities. Secondly, dark doesn't mean evil. Third, some people can consider him to be slightly dark. That is a matter of opinion. For you to consider him dark, you have to ignore the cultural information which we have on him. ...Why would you do that?
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Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 1:24 pm
too2sweet TeaDidikai too2sweet Part of the "wrongness" of the original quote is that the "Lord" and "Lady" refer to specific deities. Trying to randomly stick other deities into those roles is disrespectful...not only to the Lord and Lady, but to those who are actual members of their Priesthood (Wiccans). To say nothing of being disrespectful to the deities you're trying to shove in there. I mean for ******** sake, who said Kali wanted to be invoked in order to have sex with Loki? This too!! Hey, who says Loki wants to have sex with her either? I mean, he does claim to have ******** just about every Goddess in the Lokasenna, but I'm not going to be the one to say he'd ******** anyone.
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Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 1:27 pm
lioness of midnight This current selection is from www.godchecker.com Is that seriously the best you can come up with? Wow.
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