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 Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:45 am
The Inuzuka and the Aburame are worlds apart. Had you said Hyouton,, Mokuton, and Aburame, then maybe I would understand a bit more, but you mentioned bloodlines that aren't even in the same lane as Aburame. Yamanaka are telepathic and medical. They don't have anything to make their own element. Hyouton makes sense because Ice has it's own element. Mokuton makes sense because Wood has it's own element. Then we have elements like sound and sand. Bugs having their own element is not a stretch at all, in fact it actually makes more sense then sound being an element.
I haven't done ANYTHING directly to the bugs but provide a fair drainage scale, limit their numbers, and give them an evolution. I actually removed the Katon weakness because it made little to no sense when any element is capable of crushing bugs. So the bugs would only be weak against their master's element. And even then, they still have their other aspects that help them combat. It seems you didn't pick up on the fact that each strategy involves doing something and them swarming with bugs to add more damage. And like I said, they could make up customs with their bugs, that didn't involve swarms. Also, if they didn't want to use bugs, then why would they join Aburame in the first place?
Also since when do we allow people to scrap their characters? I remember that Kumo was punished for doing so? Hinote and I were just talking about it, and we thought of plenty of ways to pwn with Aburame under the new system. Honestly I don't see how Aburame could use any ninjutsu in the first place. If they were to gather their chakra, I think the bugs would just naturally eat it anyway. And with the constant eating that the bugs do, doing ninjutsu would just be too draining anyway.
The point is, there are tons of possibilities for the Aburame and this is a lot better then the two options you presented before. We weren't going to just leave it as it is in its OP state, and we weren't going to scrap it either.
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:47 am
I could easily win a fight without using crystal as a crystal user. I could also win a fight just as easily without using bugs as an Aburame. In neither case would I be likely to worry about whether or not I had access to more elements, because my methods would most likely not include them. I have countless strategies that could be applied to any character at all, regardless of restrictions. And if I ran into something I couldn't do because of a limitation on my character? I wouldn't do it. I can name three bloodlines without looking at the list that are only allowed one element, one that you get a choice out of two elements but can't have any other, one that forces you to use a specific starting element, and I'm not sure but it might not let you have more, and one that I'm pretty sure makes you start with a specific element, though it does open up more later. Even combination bloodlines, which give you three elements to start, you're stuck with your starting elements and unable to learn any others.
Suigetsu - Water only. No other elements allowed.
Dragonil - Fire only. No other elements allowed.
Wind Sage - Wind only. No other elements allowed.
Blackwing - Wind or lightning only. No other elements allowed.
Ushio - Must start with water.
Sharingan - Must start with fire?
Point is, if it's just the elements that you in particular have issue with, they have it a lot better than some. Let's add them to the list just to show.
Aburame - Start with bugs. Also start with one element of your choice.
And I thought the Nara did get kageton as one of their elements? The others are all just forms of manipulating chakra. Inuzuka aren't controlling their dog like it was an element, and I've never seen a dog that could spread out and cover a massive area, then suck your chakra dry. The Yamanaka, while I've never really looked at them, only have a very few jutsu, mostly limited to plain chakra manipulation, where they shoot their own consciousness into someone. It can't really be classified as an element. If goats and folding chairs were an element, I'm willing to bet you I could win some battles with only goat jutsu or chair jutsu.
If they have an issue with any particular part of the new system, they need to say WHAT that issue is, not just complain that the system was made in general. We can't go back to what we had before, because it is far worse than what we have now. At least now the Aburame can actually USE their bugs, without a mod having to sit and watch them to make sure it wasn't godmodded.
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Hinote Tosatsu Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:42 pm
the water bunshin (basic version) can perform one water ninjutsu before getting destroyed, right? does that include genjutsu?
also, if it does, what happens when you are using the water prison technique (genjutsu and ninjutsu version)? when the bunshin performs a water jutsu, he gets destroyed. so, would that mean that he would get destroyed "after" the water prison jutsu has ended, or just instantly after he performs the jutsu? the water prison, by the way, requires the user to stand near the prison with their hand.
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:52 pm
The Nerdbot the water bunshin (basic version) can perform one water ninjutsu before getting destroyed, right? does that include genjutsu?
also, if it does, what happens when you are using the water prison technique (genjutsu and ninjutsu version)? when the bunshin performs a water jutsu, he gets destroyed. so, would that mean that he would get destroyed "after" the water prison jutsu has ended, or just instantly after he performs the jutsu? the water prison, by the way, requires the user to stand near the prison with their hand. Yes. The water prison jutsu would be too high of a level for the basic water clone to perform anyway.
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:56 pm
Hello, I just joined, what village do you suggest I join. I don't want to auto-rank or anything. I want to start out as an academy student.
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:57 pm
j3susfr3ak1991 Hello, I just joined, what village do you suggest I join. I don't want to auto-rank or anything. I want to start out as an academy student. Our current Open villages are Konoha, Kumo, Oto, and Suna.
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:05 pm
Sorry about all the questions, and unfortunately this probably won't be the last one either.
Would it be possible for my character to be part of the Hatake clan, but doesn't know of his lineage?
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:11 pm
That is entirely possible, but remember that you have to apply for the bloodline first.
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:20 pm
What is it with everyone suddenly wanting to be a Hatake? I mean, I know they're BAMF's (says the Hatake Clan Head) but I'm just curious. There have been 3 applications in the past 3 weeks. (NOTE: Please do not let these comments affect your choice, apply for Hatake)
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 3:41 pm
Hinote Tosatsu I could easily win a fight without using crystal as a crystal user. I could also win a fight just as easily without using bugs as an Aburame. In neither case would I be likely to worry about whether or not I had access to more elements, because my methods would most likely not include them. I have countless strategies that could be applied to any character at all, regardless of restrictions. And if I ran into something I couldn't do because of a limitation on my character? I wouldn't do it. I can name three bloodlines without looking at the list that are only allowed one element, one that you get a choice out of two elements but can't have any other, one that forces you to use a specific starting element, and I'm not sure but it might not let you have more, and one that I'm pretty sure makes you start with a specific element, though it does open up more later. Even combination bloodlines, which give you three elements to start, you're stuck with your starting elements and unable to learn any others. Suigetsu - Water only. No other elements allowed. Dragonil - Fire only. No other elements allowed. Wind Sage - Wind only. No other elements allowed. Blackwing - Wind or lightning only. No other elements allowed. Ushio - Must start with water. Sharingan - Must start with fire? Point is, if it's just the elements that you in particular have issue with, they have it a lot better than some. Let's add them to the list just to show. Aburame - Start with bugs. Also start with one element of your choice. And I thought the Nara did get kageton as one of their elements? The others are all just forms of manipulating chakra. Inuzuka aren't controlling their dog like it was an element, and I've never seen a dog that could spread out and cover a massive area, then suck your chakra dry. The Yamanaka, while I've never really looked at them, only have a very few jutsu, mostly limited to plain chakra manipulation, where they shoot their own consciousness into someone. It can't really be classified as an element. If goats and folding chairs were an element, I'm willing to bet you I could win some battles with only goat jutsu or chair jutsu. If they have an issue with any particular part of the new system, they need to say WHAT that issue is, not just complain that the system was made in general. We can't go back to what we had before, because it is far worse than what we have now. At least now the Aburame can actually USE their bugs, without a mod having to sit and watch them to make sure it wasn't godmodded. I think the most obvious solution/compromise is the one that borrows from both parties perspective and includes a 'lore' aspect, Obviously the bug jutsu have to use chakra so that was a moot point. As for elements, give the Aburame two elements aside from Bug, one at Chuunin and one at Jounin, why? (here comes the 'lore') When the Aburame clan member first has the bugs put in their body, the chakra hungry buggers go omnomnom crazy for a bit and in the process consume such a large amount of chakra (relative to the person of course) that the ability to use one element is removed from their potential, however the bugs effectively replace that in functionality. The only people I actually see having a use for 3 elements in the guild are mix-release types, seriously, folks don't need THAT many jutsu to fight well. Skill > Gimmicks. That said I am not advocating in any way a change to the 3 element rule, just making a personal point about people relying too much on tools/elements to cover their asses rather than actual brain power, effort and skill. On a side note: Bug is totally an element. Don't you play Pokemon?
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 4:18 pm
Do your class learning bonus' stack with the area bonus? I read the learning page but I am still a little confused.
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 4:42 pm
Azeiel the fallen Do your class learning bonus' stack with the area bonus? I read the learning page but I am still a little confused. unless you are a teaching master, then no.
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:11 pm
so i just take which ever one is greater correct.
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:12 pm
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:16 pm
Thank you very much.No i just have to wait for Mista to approve my clan since i made the changes he asked.
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