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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:16 pm
turnipsan {Then how do you explain the church of satan?
I'm not saying they have demons, but they welcome them, and that's a religion...Or rather people pay into as a religion...
The truth is religion is subjective, good beliefs make all the difference in how you choose to live your life...
So if you ask me, any church that pays taxes on it's lot, or services, isn't a church..The true church is where you can find your peace/god without paying anything but thought to it.
^_^
Then again I'm a stoner crack pot theorist, and it shows terribly. } Because it's an organization for LaVeyan Satanism, which is atheistic, or agnostic in nature. They don't welcome demons because they don't believe in them; they aren't even a Left-Hand parallel to Christianity. The use the word "Church" was a means to A) gain publicity and B) mock Christianity. LeVay had a flare for that sort of thing. They don't literally worship or even directly believe in Satan, unlike Christians or Theistic Satanists. The Church of Satan isn't even a literal church, it's an organization. And LeVayan Satanism? Doesn't worship Satan or believe in demons, Satan is just their primary symbolism to represent their Left-Hand path. "Church" is used to regard to holy places of worship by Christians. No other religion uses the term. Muslims have mosques, Druids have.. circles, or something, and Jews have their synagogues. LaVey's use of "Church" has nothing to do with a literal church. Now, a Church can still be called a church once it's been corrupted or something, I mean.. if it was originally a church, it doesn't magically change shape. But it would be more accurate to refer to it as a "former church" or "cathedral", because it was used as a church at one point, but no longer is in terms of religious meanings. But, building wise, it would still be a church or cathedral. Just depends on HOW you're trying to describe, it, probably.
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:17 pm
This year, I'm using a simple point system. Since numbers can feel a lot less biased than words. Sometimes.
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:21 pm
Just as long as I get to know why I suck this time as opposed to last time when I just failed with no explanation I don't really mind. This is my only request for this tournament.
So um....since your here and all do we get explanations as to why we lose?
Right so numbers then. Guess that works. So when do we get our um....verdicts as it were?
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:29 pm
Hopefully by the end of this week.
Hopefully.
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:32 pm
Righto thank you sir. Have fun judging stuff! ^.^
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:37 pm
I tend to like explanations, but it takes a long time to pop out that many for a tournament.
What's also good, is, in addition to the numbers, a simple "X advances" or "Y advances."
That way, you don't have two people who are evenly scored by one judge, where X is slightly favored, then the third judge gives X a completely shitty score and Y a great one, tilting the entire number system towards Y despite the fact that X has 2/3 of the judges in his favor.
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:41 pm
{That's one church of satan, I was refering to the mad oldbies of the religion obviously..
The one's whom drink blood after ritual sacrifice and have nasty orgies amongst the coven?
XD
yea..bad image to bring up, but the left hand path hardly qualifies as a religion, and I know well enough about it thank you. ^_^
Though, I was more refering to the analogous sense; as I always do; in the way that any place of worship, or spiritual focus, is a church as appose to a building, designed to be such...}
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:55 pm
Mr. Turnip why are you using Matt I thought you were going to use Emkay. I think the entire affair is one sided. Besides I haven't had a chance to fight Matt myself yet. Must you be so terribly mean?
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:02 pm
turnipsan {That's one church of satan, I was refering to the mad oldbies of the religion obviously..
The one's whom drink blood after ritual sacrifice and have nasty orgies amongst the coven?
XD
yea..bad image to bring up, but the left hand path hardly qualifies as a religion, and I know well enough about it thank you. ^_^
Though, I was more refering to the analogous sense; as I always do; in the way that any place of worship, or spiritual focus, is a church as appose to a building, designed to be such...} Uh, it's THE Church of Satan. There is no other "Church of Satan", LeVay probably has that s**t ******** copyrighted because he was huge on plublicity. There's "The First Church of Satanism" and The 600 Club, but - specifically - The Church of Satan refers to LeVay's organizations. If you weren't referring to them, you obviously ought to have used the proper term for whom you were referring to, which would be Theistic Satanists on the whole. Because I know Atheistic Satanists do not like to be lumped in with their theistic counterparts. But Theistic Satanism is decentralized and in no way, shape, or form cohesive like other religious viewpoints. So, the only thing you're talking about is.. myths and hearsay? SOME Theistic Satanists might commit to orgies and blood rituals, and in the Middle Ages the use of grimoires to summon and bind demons was certainly about (though not via the means you just described). Some Theistic Satans might have "covens" (more attributable to witchcraft, really), or something similar, but that's a pretty generic, generalizing way to look at them. And The Left Hand Path is an overarching term for several belief systems, both religious and otherwise. It's basically the dichotomous counterpart of Right Hand religions or belief sets, like Buddhism, Islam, Christianity, and your normal Atheism. The "Left Hand Path" refers to both atheistic and theistic principles, and can hardly be considered religious or atheistic in nature, because it covers the whole spectrum. So, it would be wrong to say it doesn't qualify as a religion, because it most certainly does when you think of Theistic Satanism, the Followers of Set, and other groups. It isn't a religion on its own, but it is a philosophy heavily involved in several religions. As for Church, any place of Christian worship is referred to as church. But it's improper and ill-informed of someone to use it to refer to places of worship by other religions, as I just previously explained. You have Covens of Wicca, Synagogues of Judaism, and Mosques of Islam. Church is a Christian term for a place of worship, and therefore it would only be considered a church in the religious sense so long as it remained holy. A church that is no longer holy isn't a church. Now, a building built to be a church, and that was church, but no longer is? Sure, you can still call it a church, that was what it was designed to be. From a religious outlook, it wouldn't be one, but from the perspective of "What is this building?" it would be a church or cathedral, sure. Which was the point I was making. Religious outlook? Not a church. Nonreligious, or from the standpoint of what a building is? Yeah, it's a church, or was a church. I'm agreeing that it could still be called a church, just not from the religious stand-point because it would no longer by holy by the standards of the religion that uses churches. So you could easily call it a church, a cathedral, or just.. a building. But it's not longer a church from the standpoint of being a proper place of worship for Christianity. So you could probably call it whatever the hell you liked.
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:10 pm
Hurhur, done got school'd by da DURF.
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:26 pm
Yeah.
He got school'd hard by DA DURF.
AND Y'KNOW WHAT, COG? VINCE VS. EBRIS, GOOOOO!
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:34 pm
wut
Like I said, in a week or so. Then faggerts can try and fight him as much as they want.
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:44 pm
Round II of dragon axe-mining? xD
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:05 pm
Just call Ebris a meta.
He'll get so mad he'll have a brain aneurysm.
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:08 pm
The Darth Vizzle turnipsan {That's one church of satan, I was refering to the mad oldbies of the religion obviously..
The one's whom drink blood after ritual sacrifice and have nasty orgies amongst the coven?
XD
yea..bad image to bring up, but the left hand path hardly qualifies as a religion, and I know well enough about it thank you. ^_^
Though, I was more refering to the analogous sense; as I always do; in the way that any place of worship, or spiritual focus, is a church as appose to a building, designed to be such...} Uh, it's THE Church of Satan. There is no other "Church of Satan", LeVay probably has that s**t ******** copyrighted because he was huge on plublicity. There's "The First Church of Satanism" and The 600 Club, but - specifically - The Church of Satan refers to LeVay's organizations. If you weren't referring to them, you obviously ought to have used the proper term for whom you were referring to, which would be Theistic Satanists on the whole. Because I know Atheistic Satanists do not like to be lumped in with their theistic counterparts. But Theistic Satanism is decentralized and in no way, shape, or form cohesive like other religious viewpoints. So, the only thing you're talking about is.. myths and hearsay? SOME Theistic Satanists might commit to orgies and blood rituals, and in the Middle Ages the use of grimoires to summon and bind demons was certainly about (though not via the means you just described). Some Theistic Satans might have "covens" (more attributable to witchcraft, really), or something similar, but that's a pretty generic, generalizing way to look at them. And The Left Hand Path is an overarching term for several belief systems, both religious and otherwise. It's basically the dichotomous counterpart of Right Hand religions or belief sets, like Buddhism, Islam, Christianity, and your normal Atheism. The "Left Hand Path" refers to both atheistic and theistic principles, and can hardly be considered religious or atheistic in nature, because it covers the whole spectrum. So, it would be wrong to say it doesn't qualify as a religion, because it most certainly does when you think of Theistic Satanism, the Followers of Set, and other groups. It isn't a religion on its own, but it is a philosophy heavily involved in several religions. As for Church, any place of Christian worship is referred to as church. But it's improper and ill-informed of someone to use it to refer to places of worship by other religions, as I just previously explained. You have Covens of Wicca, Synagogues of Judaism, and Mosques of Islam. Church is a Christian term for a place of worship, and therefore it would only be considered a church in the religious sense so long as it remained holy. A church that is no longer holy isn't a church. Now, a building built to be a church, and that was church, but no longer is? Sure, you can still call it a church, that was what it was designed to be. From a religious outlook, it wouldn't be one, but from the perspective of "What is this building?" it would be a church or cathedral, sure. Which was the point I was making. Religious outlook? Not a church. Nonreligious, or from the standpoint of what a building is? Yeah, it's a church, or was a church. I'm agreeing that it could still be called a church, just not from the religious stand-point because it would no longer by holy by the standards of the religion that uses churches. So you could easily call it a church, a cathedral, or just.. a building. But it's not longer a church from the standpoint of being a proper place of worship for Christianity. So you could probably call it whatever the hell you liked. That was both interesting and it had the word orgies in it. Your sir win todays "That post was awesome!" award from Saphen.
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