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 Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 3:38 pm
For one, out running a bullet is physically impossible. One cannot easily dodge something moving close to, at or over the speed of sound. They can be dodged by moving to the side, but an experienced gunman knows a little trick called leading. This causes the person runing to the side to litterally run in the path of the bullet. And as for guns at close range, they are even more effective because less energy is lost before it hits the target. Sword vs a glock, golck is going to win. For one you have to close the distance to use the sword and as you get closer you become a bigger and easier to hit target. Not to mention if you dont cut the persons head off, its still posible to use a gun. Another for you. Shotgun vs a sword. Who will win? The shotgun. Unless the person is using a sawed off, a shotguns spread isnt as bad as they're made out to me. You can blow a hole through a person at 50 feet with a shotgun. Not to mention the variety of guns, there is one for almost every purpose. There are swords for 3 purposes and all a close range. The upside to guns far outweighs the downsides. The only way a sword wuill beat a gun is if the person using the sword catches the guy with the gun off guard and kills in one blow. Not to mention, swords are ALOT easier to dodge than a bullet. Oh and a person is no longer capable of blocking bullets with a sword.
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Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 5:26 pm
I really dont give a rats a** if guns are statisticaly better then a sword, point is, I am a swordsman at heart, I will always use swords, and nothing but swords. Gun in my eyes, are for weaklings who are unable to handle the training it takes to use a sword, and are to afraid for the face to face duel a sword fight brings.
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RIP IN PEACE RIP Vice Captain
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Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 6:06 pm
After reading Cat's post, I think there's a slight misunderstanding unless someone here can honestly harness their energies. From what I've read, I think Cat is referring to the fantasy world and whatnot, while Scott and Kyo are talking about the real world...
Also, I think I'll have to agree with Kyo...If you want to live, you shouldn't bring a sword to a gun fight...
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Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 6:14 pm
I prefer a gun. Even if I am well versed in swordsmanship, I still prefer the gun. Wielding a gun vs a sword doesnt make you a coward, it means your smarter. You dont bring a knife to a gun fight, and thats exactly what you would end up doing. You'd be the first gunned down. You went up against the cops with a sword, they would still win, even without their sidearms. That billy club thing is enough to handle a sword. Not to mention the pepper spray. That s**t doesnt fire like water, its a stream of foam and fires pretty far. They would incapacitate you before you could even get close enough to use the sword. I got the pepper spray used on my leg. It made it so it was hard to see and I couldnt breathe. Pepper spray is mightier than the sword. Face it, swords are out dated.
Just to let you know, for a professsional gunman, military and police standards, the training is ALOT more gruling than sword training. Just to weild a weapon in the military you go through Hell.
Stupid "gangtser" would blow you away.
Police would beat the crap out of you.
SWAT would gun you down on sight.
Military would own you.
You wouldnt even know what hit you if DELTA came.
That is basicly what would happen if you weilded a sword vs these kinds of people. Not to mention, you wouldnt even clash swords with a true swordsman. You would have been dead before your sword fell.
guns>swords
Both statisticly AND logicly. Any gunman would destroy a swordsman. Even the Samurai wielded guns. And yes the Japanese soldiers in WW2 were considered Samurai in Japan. Only officers could wield swords, and that was just for ceremonial reasons, if it was ever used in battle it was used for ambushing American and British soldiers on their flanks. Also, why do you think guns are used in place of swords now? Because they are better. You call the people weilding guns weaklings, that rifle or hand gun also doubles as a nice club, you dont need a blade to kill someone. A nice crack to the back of the head, and your dead. A sowrd wouldnt stand a chance against an M16 in long, medium, or close range combat or in melee combat. A pistol would have some trouble in melee but they are made fo close ranges.
Hypotheticly:
You rush me with a sword whileI have a gun, you die before you get within 5 feet of me. Its just simple, you may think a sword fight is more honorable. When is a fight honorable? The person with the advantage wins. Be it numbers or fire power. The person with the most usually wins. Swords on the battlefield is a thing of the past. Now swordsmanship is used for discipline not for combat. Even a swordsman knows that when it comes to a gun, they're ******** think swords are awesome too, I have trained in the art to use it effectively. I KNOW that guns are better in ALL situations. Again, who won in the Sainan wars in Japan? The Japanese regulars or the samurai? If history speaks correctly, thats why the samurai were gone until WW2 when they were brought back for a measly 6 years.
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Travis Celendel Vice Captain
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Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 6:35 pm
swords are cool and all, don't get me wrong, but there is a reason the have never seen widespread military use.
The point of a battle is for you to kill the other b*****d before he can kill you. Guns help that. also, if you did manage to stop a bulet (Unlikely that any human has that kind of reation time, your sword would be serioulsy amaged. Your best bet is to try and dodge and hope the guy with the gun has no combat sence and doesn't lead you. or have a shot gun. that would ent your day fairly quickly
I like shotguns, the only problem is they have s**t for range unless you put it on full choke. even then, you have about the same range as a good pistol.
And I was just letting you know that I thought some of your charecters seemed to be unstoppable.
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Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 9:14 pm
*loser bump*
for the record, in the real world, no one carries swords so that shouldn't be a big issue...as for guns, I could really care less about it so I won't get into it...off the subject of which weapon is better or more superior...don't matter if it kills/kill someone it's done it's job, nothing more..nothing less
off the weapons talk, how are you lot doing, I just figured that Rocko's Modern Life was cancelled from Nick because of sexually explicit storylines (wakward)
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Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 9:19 pm
Sexually explicit? That was a good show man... A little on the disturbing side for a kids station, but all the same, a good show.
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Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 9:20 pm
Bonekeeper E for the record, in the real world, no one carries swords Uh... not true. both Izumi and I carry around swords all the time. Its leagal in Maine to carry around swords to ANYWHERE so long as they are sheathed, which is a reason we do it. We also do it, because like I said, we are swordsmen (THough he isnt above using any other weapon, including guns, but i refuse to use any ranged weapon, minus kunai knives, and I do dabble abit into glaives and battle rods, but i mostly use dual sword) anyways, point is, we are swordsmen, and we carry around swords everywhere we go. End story smile
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RIP IN PEACE RIP Vice Captain
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Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 10:18 pm
Question on that, do you really know how to use it? I mean solo practice is one thing, but have you gone up against Izumi with the said swords? Like me and Wulfgar do. Not to mention we would literally beat the hell out of each other with the practice swords. Body conditioning and all, then after that we would start fighting.
Carrying a sword and not using it is fine and dandy, but that doesnt make you a swordsman. Swordsman used them, on other people, killing them. Making you a sword totter, not a swordsman. Guns are still better. Thats coming from a bladed weapon collecter. Oh, just to let you know, I pretty sure I can kill you if we got into a fight. I use an Isreali special forces knife fighting style, with a wakazashi and combat knife or gut knife, or throwing knife. Long swords are nothing, neither are doubles. Wulfgar uses doubles. I still think guns are alot better.
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Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 10:58 pm
Ryuondo Sexually explicit? That was a good show man... A little on the disturbing side for a kids station, but all the same, a good show. there was some point in there where Mrs. Bighead flirted with rocko and attempted to use Spanish Fly (you're perfect enough to know what that is) to drug him (this episode never properly aired but it still got a bad rep for having a story like that) eek whoa I actually spoke to you without feeling dumb...meh, it'll come
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RIP IN PEACE RIP Vice Captain
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Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 11:03 pm
Ryuondo Question on that, do you really know how to use it? I mean solo practice is one thing, but have you gone up against Izumi with the said swords? Like me and Wulfgar do. Not to mention we would literally beat the hell out of each other with the practice swords. Body conditioning and all, then after that we would start fighting. Carrying a sword and not using it is fine and dandy, but that doesnt make you a swordsman. Swordsman used them, on other people, killing them. Making you a sword totter, not a swordsman. Guns are still better. Thats coming from a bladed weapon collecter. Oh, just to let you know, I pretty sure I can kill you if we got into a fight. I use an Isreali special forces knife fighting style, with a wakazashi and combat knife or gut knife, or throwing knife. Long swords are nothing, neither are doubles. Wulfgar uses doubles. I still think guns are alot better. In order 1. Yes, we sword fight one another a lot (He is a lot better then me, mainly because he has a lot more proffessional training, where as my style I use the movements and strikes are all myown) 2. We just fight to disarm, but when it comes to beating the s**t out of one another, thats where Bardok comes in, he and I are both wrestlers as well, so we allways freestyle and try to kill one another a lot. 3. We do use them on people, just not kill them. Bath can be a bad town at times, so its nice to have back up when surrounded 4. You probibly could kill me, I havent been in actual fight fight in years (Used to pick fights alot but have stopped, because its senseless) so due to my rustyness, you definatly could.
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Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 11:43 pm
like I said, Swords are cool. They are lots of fun to fight with and a sword fight usualy asts longer than a gunfight.
Personally, I have been trained by three diferent swordsmen, and am one of the best swordfighters I know, Including Tochi.
But I am also a terrific shot. So I have all my bases covered.
It's kind of funny when I fight psycho, because he usualy manages to put me on defence, but I respond with a beserker strike. He then drops the sword and gives up. Aperrantly, I am a scary person when I'm angry.
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Travis Celendel Vice Captain
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Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 10:43 am
Note I never said I don't like guns, hell, I think they can be quite cool and require some good skill, however, Guns are a slightly more longshot in some ways, I mean, so what, you shot the guy rushing you, assuming he canot handle it, the bullet will weaken him significantly. But, most powerful opponents. even in the real world, especially if tey have mastered using the sword or fists, may be able to endure the pain of the shot. And just becuse you can get your shot off first does not guarantee a win, a bullethole is not an instant kill. You shoot someone, chances are if they are trained they will ignore the pain and continue their assault. Then all it would take is knocking the weapon out of you hand/Slicing off your hand when you don't expect it due to thinking the bullet would kill the opponent/immobilize them. Of course, trained gunmen as well, would know to assume the opponent can handle thebullet and keep going. A bullet itself, though, cannot kill someone just like that, most of the time, even being shot in the head, a person can still survive(And don't tell me it is not possible, a few famous people have survived a shot to the head, as well as someone I went to school with's mother) On the other hand, someone uses a sword, they can kill you guaranteed just by slicing your skull open, or off, of course, that would only work if they could withstand the volley of bullets that would come their way, and in the real world, less than 0.0001% of people would have the power and abilities to withstand or dodge/evade bullets. I personally could withstand a bullet or three to the arm or leg, however it would take an extremely resilient person to withstand a bulet to the torso or other area. A Head, neck, or groin shot would guarantee immobilizing the opponent, however such shots are a bit harder to pull off successfully, and are easier to dodge than other areas, suc as the torso. But, as I said before, and I wish you guys would see it, it all boils down to personal preference in the end, some poeplw ill choose guns because they are statistically better, but some would pick other means and could easily beat a gunman even if only by luck. I personally prefer all forms of weaponry, just depending on different situations
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Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 11:05 am
Most handguns are semi-auto for a reason. If the first doesnt incapacitate or put the enemy down in one shot, there are always other options, like pulling the trigger again. Besides I dont know a gunman who would put themselves in the danger of not aiming to kill. Besides there are several vital points on the chest alone. Diaphram, lungs and heart. When one of theose goes down, that person is screwed. Nobody can ignore a popped lung, I dont care how trained you are. You are now getting dizzy and the oxygen your breathing is now rushing out of the holes in your chest, and you begin to drown in blood. The heart is hit, that's it, your circulatory system is shot, you get light headed, lose the ability to think and act clearly. Your diaphram gets shot, you begin to have trouble breathing and if its totaled you cant breath. Its not a one hit kill, but thats where another shot comes into play. Now onto harder to hit areas, the head and neck. If one is hit your done. Espeacially if the shot through the neck goes all the way through. You either die or paralyzed from the neck down while bleeding to death. The head, is pretty much an auto kill. I mean its hard to survive a head shot even if it misses your brain. The brain liquids drain and your brain shooches on the floor of the skull. If its a DE your done, the .50 cal rounds, if I'm not mistaken, only come in hollow tip. If the pistols not auto, that means its a revolver. A revolver slug is big enough to kill you or liquify your organs in a single shot. A .357 can shoot throw the glass on an airliner. A .44 would toast a person in one shot, no matter how much training one has. I forgot to also mention the types of rounds. If your hit by a hollow tip, your done. It literally blows a hole through you. If you'r shot in the gut by one, welcome your trailing intestines, because they arent in your torso anymore. If they are even intact that is. Here is a good site for gun knowledge. This is a link to the Glock 17 page. http://www.enemyforces.com/firearms/glock17.htmIt has a 17 round clip and can hit at 50 meters. Take a look at the IMI Desert Eagle.
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Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 11:16 am
Uh, not to burst your bubble, Ryu, but, I was already done with my views on it, I really do not care about any of that stuff you posted up there, for one, because I don't know the half of what any of that is(I am not a gun-obsessed fanatic) and I really don't care, same is said for swords, I really don't know much of them and don't care(I am also not too keen on swords), you keep missing my main point that IT ALL BOILS DOWN TO PERSONAL PREFERENCE, if you prefer a gun, good for you, if Vain prefers a sword, good for him, if I prefer the pacifist non-violent approach, good for me, all have their good points, all have their bad points, let us leave it at that, I grow tired of you stating the SAME good points of guns over and over again, yet completely avoiding the BAD POINTS totally(Not to sound rude, but do you even know any of the cons of using any sort of firearm? cool ), and yes there are MANY bad points to using a gun. So let's end this fun debate(Yes, I enjoyed it for the most part) with this simple fact: Weapons or not, fighting is cool, and that is the greatest gift of all!
So how is everyone? I am currently awaiting the others to end their day so I can stat the next RP day with my chars sweatdrop
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