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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 4:14 am
It's for balancing, isn't it? The reason it costs chakra is so that people that use bugs can't do all kinds of other crazy junk on top of that. Or atleast that would be my reasoning. I'm probably wrong.
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:57 am
I believe we did give you the option to rework your profile to fit the new system didn't we?
As for Shino never running out of chakra... Well, besides the fact that I think the only person to ever run out like, ever, was Kakashi, he also didn't use very many chakra draining attacks. He usually just stood around using simple diversion techniques until he got the enemy where he wanted them, then hit them with a shitload of bugs.
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Hinote Tosatsu Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 9:00 am
So whats the problem. If you only made your bugs swarm around or use weapons, what is stopping your from doing that now.
@Greg No, just no. Scrapping Aburame really isn't a good idea, because it is a canon bloodline and there are a number of people who would want it. And leaving it as was definitely wasn't an option because they were using jutsu without a cost, planting bugs everywhere, and had the ability to drain chakra but did not have any defined rules. Doesn't THAT say something to you.
Anyone would have complaints if they have a gun that shot infinite bullets and then were told they had to start using guns that ran out and had to be reloaded. Does that make guns completely useless? Obviously not because people still use guns every day. They just have to be smart about how they use their bullets.
@Six You are a weapon user. Simple strategy. Swarm you opponents with bugs and ******** them up with your weapons.
@Hikaro You are a genjutsu user. Use some genjutsu to distract your opponents while you hit them with bugs.
Even though Shino didn't need any of the things you guys have, you have it, so use it.
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 9:07 am
1) (this is the 14th time I've given this speech) We are NOT Naruto. We are a guild BASED off Naruto. Things that apply in Naruto may not apply here, and Vice Versa. So, being a canon bloodline is not a good reason to keep it. Hell, The only reason we keep sharingan is that 5 people have it.
Yknow, I never ONCE saw that it said ANYWHERE that the Abrurame could use the chakra that their bugs ate. Because thats what they did, they ATE it. They didnt give it to the master, they didnt use it for their own jutsu, they ATE it. And last time I checked, Eating something makes it unusable. So this whole issue about aburame having infinite chakra? Yea, never really existed.
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Hinote Tosatsu Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 9:09 am
It's not infinite chakra that's the issue. For some reason or other, Aburame were able to use most of their jutsu with zero chakra cost, and they're upset now simply because we took that away. For some reason, most of the Aburame jutsu said "Costs zero chakra" right on them.
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 9:24 am
Then just take that out. Thats not too hard to fix.
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Hinote Tosatsu Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 9:34 am
That's what was done, and what they are upset about.
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 9:36 am
Hinote Tosatsu That's what was done, and what they are upset about. Plus the fact that they can only have one element. That makes no sense.
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:18 am
They only have one element because of all the other things they are able to do. If they REALLY feel like they need two elements, then there are professions that will let them have an extra element. Though the main focus of their techniques should be there bugs. If they didn't want to use them, then why did they pick that bloodline?
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:23 am
Mistah BomChickaWahWah They only have one element because of all the other things they are able to do. If they REALLY feel like they need two elements, then there are professions that will let them have an extra element. Though the main focus of their techniques should be there bugs. If they didn't want to use them, then why did they pick that bloodline? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND I found the flaw. You're assuming that all Aburames want to be another Shino. This new Aburame clan offers NO variety other than "Swarm with bugs, drain chakra, walk away as emotionless as before." It allows no customization of character, like if a Sunaton user wanted to hide bugs within the sand, but also wanted to attack you with water while the bugs wait.
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:27 am
Gregar828 Mistah BomChickaWahWah They only have one element because of all the other things they are able to do. If they REALLY feel like they need two elements, then there are professions that will let them have an extra element. Though the main focus of their techniques should be there bugs. If they didn't want to use them, then why did they pick that bloodline? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND I found the flaw. You're assuming that all Aburames want to be another Shino. This new Aburame clan offers NO variety other than "Swarm with bugs, drain chakra, walk away as emotionless as before." It allows no customization of character, like if a Sunaton user wanted to hide bugs within the sand, but also wanted to attack you with water while the bugs wait. And that's not possible because? Ninjutsu specialist -> Extra Element bonus -> Sunaton and Suiton -> Make some customs and be happy. And you know, sand is not like dirt, they don't need a jutsu to put some bugs in the ground.
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:43 am
Mistah BomChickaWahWah Gregar828 Mistah BomChickaWahWah They only have one element because of all the other things they are able to do. If they REALLY feel like they need two elements, then there are professions that will let them have an extra element. Though the main focus of their techniques should be there bugs. If they didn't want to use them, then why did they pick that bloodline? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND I found the flaw. You're assuming that all Aburames want to be another Shino. This new Aburame clan offers NO variety other than "Swarm with bugs, drain chakra, walk away as emotionless as before." It allows no customization of character, like if a Sunaton user wanted to hide bugs within the sand, but also wanted to attack you with water while the bugs wait. And that's not possible because? Ninjutsu specialist -> Extra Element bonus -> Sunaton and Suiton -> Make some customs and be happy. And you know, sand is not like dirt, they don't need a jutsu to put some bugs in the ground. You're missing my point. While customization is still possible, this has severely limited the possibilities. What if they want three elements, but dont want to be ninjutsu specialists? Almost anyone else can do this with no trouble, but even with ninjutsu specialist, they can only get two elements. And one of them can only be A ranked, and one can only be B ranked. Heck, Aburame jutsus only go up to C! Wheres the fairness? I realize that they're the only chakra-stealing people in the guild, but when they've been hit so hard that both of our Aburames barely even want to keep their characters, something is wrong.
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:52 am
Gregar828 Mistah BomChickaWahWah Gregar828 Mistah BomChickaWahWah They only have one element because of all the other things they are able to do. If they REALLY feel like they need two elements, then there are professions that will let them have an extra element. Though the main focus of their techniques should be there bugs. If they didn't want to use them, then why did they pick that bloodline? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND I found the flaw. You're assuming that all Aburames want to be another Shino. This new Aburame clan offers NO variety other than "Swarm with bugs, drain chakra, walk away as emotionless as before." It allows no customization of character, like if a Sunaton user wanted to hide bugs within the sand, but also wanted to attack you with water while the bugs wait. And that's not possible because? Ninjutsu specialist -> Extra Element bonus -> Sunaton and Suiton -> Make some customs and be happy. And you know, sand is not like dirt, they don't need a jutsu to put some bugs in the ground. You're missing my point. While customization is still possible, this has severely limited the possibilities. What if they want three elements, but dont want to be ninjutsu specialists? Almost anyone else can do this with no trouble, but even with ninjutsu specialist, they can only get two elements. And one of them can only be A ranked, and one can only be B ranked. Heck, Aburame jutsus only go up to C! Wheres the fairness? I realize that they're the only chakra-stealing people in the guild, but when they've been hit so hard that both of our Aburames barely even want to keep their characters, something is wrong. There ARE other bloodlines that restrict elements. But what's this about only going up to A and B? Their first element should be allowed full access, though nobody cares about most S rank jutsu anyways. I dunno about the extra element though. As for Aburame jutsu only going to C, well, we DO have a solution for that. One I've been suggesting to people with clans like that all along. The crystal chakra element bloodline only goes up to C too, but i took it for a jounin auto rank. I however, have plans of making some jutsu for it. I'm just too busy working on other stuff to do so. And considering most other bloodlines that get a special element have to consider it one of their three elements, a ninjutsu specialist CAN get three elements with an Aburame. Bugs, their base, and their bonus.
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:55 am
And you know I'm kind of insulted. You're saying that I devised a system that doesn't leave room for much customization? I just told them how they can use their genjutsu or weapons with their bugs and I also just gave an example of what they can do with Ninjutsu Specialist. But just to further disprove any other ridiculous claims, let me finish stating more things they could do. With an Assassin Profession, they could sneak around with their bugs. The Assassin, makes a swift move to damage the opponent greatly and then the bugs handle the rest. With Puppets, they could have the bugs hide within the puppets and come out and surprise attack. With Taijutsu they could beat up their opponent until they are unable to dodge and then have the bugs handle them. With Medical, they can poison or use super strength to slow down their opponents movements and let the bugs attack. Sealer? use explosive tags and other seals to keep their opponent in a general small location and swarm with bugs. Summons? Have your summon kick a** and then while they are distracted, bam. bugs. I gave bugs their own element, did anyone think of making new custom jutsus? Maybe ones that didn't involve swarms?
And there are Aburame jutsu that go passed S Rank. Even if there weren't they could make up some.
Did you also forget the other abilities of the clan? Like how they can spy and track with their bugs. They can use that for battle as well. There are tons of possibilities, it just requires some actual thinking and strategy.
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:22 am
Mistah BomChickaWahWah And you know I'm kind of insulted. You're saying that I devised a system that doesn't leave room for much customization? I just told them how they can use their genjutsu or weapons with their bugs and I also just gave an example of what they can do with Ninjutsu Specialist. But just to further disprove any other ridiculous claims, let me finish stating more things they could do. With an Assassin Profession, they could sneak around with their bugs. The Assassin, makes a swift move to damage the opponent greatly and then the bugs handle the rest. With Puppets, they could have the bugs hide within the puppets and come out and surprise attack. With Taijutsu they could beat up their opponent until they are unable to dodge and then have the bugs handle them. With Medical, they can poison or use super strength to slow down their opponents movements and let the bugs attack. Sealer? use explosive tags and other seals to keep their opponent in a general small location and swarm with bugs. Summons? Have your summon kick a** and then while they are distracted, bam. bugs. I gave bugs their own element, did anyone think of making new custom jutsus? Maybe ones that didn't involve swarms? And there are Aburame jutsu that go passed S Rank. Even if there weren't they could make up some. Did you also forget the other abilities of the clan? Like how they can spy and track with their bugs. They can use that for battle as well. There are tons of possibilities, it just requires some actual thinking and strategy. All clans have abilities to make them Unique. Inuzukas can sniff out targets, Byakugan can see just about anything, etc. And THEY have their own custom jutsus as well, but we dont allow THAT to take up an elemental slot. Besides, bugs as an element makes relatively little sense, its the same concept as having goats and folding chairs as an element, even though bugs DO make more sense than those. But I dont see how a bug fits in with our other "elements", like air, water, fire, earth, lightning, and the Kekkei Genkai combos. Next we're gonna have to make the Inuzuka's dogs take up a slot, Kageton take up a slot, Yamanaka jutsu take up a slot........se what I'm getting at? Besides, not all strategies will use their bugs. I know that I've got plenty of strategies that use absolutely no part of the Hatake bloodline..........ok, maybe that one's a bad example, but I'm sure that, say, a crystal release user would be able to win a fight without any crystal, because he still has the same traits as a normal ninja as well. Every single strategy you listed ended with "swarm them with bugs." If the Aburame had a strategy that didnt involve bugs, or were up against a situation where bugs are worthless (Katon User) then they're just like the crystal user described above, BUT they're weakened as regular ninja. Every single clan in this guild is kinda like this formula: Regular ninja + Kekkei Genkai/clan = Regular Ninja with a Kekkei Genkai. The current Aburame is like this Regular ninja + Aburame - some regular ninja = Weakened Ninja with a Kekkei Genkai. Here's my final point that you havent addressed: The only Aburames in the guild dislike it. And while the clans should not be made exclusively for their benefit, when one wants to scrap their character, it means that something must be wrong with it. And I'm sorry if you're insulted, thats not my intention in any way, but system that have been revised that people have problems with have to be brought up.
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