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Defilers aren't that good a HS-Choice for Close Combat. Khorne Havoks or even Oblits work better for the cost. Their poor WS, I, and Attacks is what limits their CC power. If you intend them as Anti-Tank Close Combat, stick with the Oblits (More attacks).

Chaos Dreadnoughts are rarely worth it. If they maintained Mutated Hull or Parasitic Possession they'd be better, but even so they tend not to get into combat unless your opponnent isn't careful with his lines. As for shooting, they don't work there either as almost 1/3 the game they'll be either running instead or shooting at the wrong target.

Possessed are also a big risk. S5 and Invuln Saves are nice. You can't see what they get until you deploy, however, so you may have something inside a tank behind your front line roll up a "Scout" effect. They can pay off big, however, so they're fine for a CC army.

A Juggernaut would, surprisingly, be best replaced with a Lashing Slaaneshi Sorceror. Better yet, a pair of them. Two Lashing Characters can easily muck up an enemies defensive line.

For Close-Combat armies, I'd likely suggest:

HQ:

Slaaneshi Daemon Prince, Winged, Lash of Submission (Two if you can spare the points)

Elites:

Chosen (Either as a suicide Anti-Tank or with the Mark of Khorne and lots of upgrades, though still expensive)

Possessed (Big Win or Big Loss, but this is surprisingly the most "Chaotic" thing in the current 'Dex).

Troops:

Khorne Berzerkers

Fast Attack:

Raptors (With Bikes losing their extra attack, they aren't as effective anymore. Raptors themselves have lost a lot of their benefits, but they can still work decently enough to tie the enemy up / Soak fire)

Heavy Support:

Obliterators [They work as your Anti-Tank at a range while the rest of your army deals with the infantry. A unit of two or three Oblits can also often hold up a large unit of "Softies" (Termigaunts, Guardsmen, etc) for a while)].

Rhino Walls are usually more effective. If the vehicles is destroyed with squads inside, they're pinned and usually the only 'Soft' target if the rest of the Rhino's hold. Smoke Launchers also only last for one turn, and against any Gunline army you'll need at least three to get to combat (2 inside the tank, one for the disembark and attack).

Agreed. Regular CSM's can at least fire Rapid Fire weapons and bear the brunt of the enemy counter attack without a major loss in points or waste in skills.

If this was the Old 'Dex, I'd have suggested grabbing the Counter Attack skill. With that gone, maybe park some fliers (Infantry Sized) behind the Rhino Wall to launch the counter-attack?

Good idea with this army. Still get 3 Attacks when charged, and with WS4 and T4, along with a 3+ save, you'll likely take the charge and have someone to attack back.

The Demon Weapon is a big risk. With Khorne, roughly 1/3 the rounds of Combat you'll put a Power Weapon Wound on yourself and lose the ability to strike. Sure, it pays off in the other rounds (Seeing as you'll be given at least 8 attacks if you don't fail mastery), but that's still at least once a game where you're a sitting duck.




Aspiring Champions are useful for armies intending to be charged. With Khorne Marines, the returning 4 Power-Fist attacks can lead to a world of hurt for even Nidzilla armies.

The Template CSM squad that I refer to above. Always useful, provided they reach combat.

Lord will provide a decent CC advantage. Unfortunately, I believe that this means you cannot start inside the Rhino with this unit (As characters must be deployed individually or within a Retinue at the start, correct?).

As always, a Power Fist works wonders for the squad's Killing Power. The Champion given with such also gives you Ld10, always useful in 40K.

What do you intend this Squad to hunt? Against Normal Infantry and Light Armor, Autocannons tend to work better then Rocket Launchers, while against AV14 Tanks (And 2+ Save Infantry) the Lascannon tends to do better. Rocket Launchers are good weapons, but the above work better in their specialized roles.

Since there is only one other HS choice, I'd suggest you split them into two squads. Each is still scoring while Alive, and this reduces the effectiveness of Lascannons / Ork Rockets / S8+ Shooting against the Squad (Namely in that a whole squad can kill at best one model).

I understand what you mean. CSM's need larger squads due to the lack of a "TSKNF" rule, yet your army is dangerously low on Anti-Heavy Infantry (Terminators and the liking), Champions, etc.

Interesting, I'll have to check at the GW store next time I head in to see if it was a misprint or what.

This just in, FW tells GW to bend over and take it from behind.

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If I wanted to make a soul drinkers legion of chaos, what mark would I give them? In the Soul Drinkers' novels, Tzeentch gives them gifts. But also, Tellos and the assault marines turn to Khorne. Which should I make them?

(I'm going to convert a Tellos) And assuming they turned to chaos, which do you think would work. Also, I cant use loyalist rules for Tellos and the Assault Marines because they specifically turned to Khorne. Quoting from an assault marine in the 3rd book, "Blood for the Blood God" after his speech about drowning the world in blood and whatnot.

I would go with Khorne or Nurgle. Khorne because red looks good on any chaos army and u KILL in close combat (like me 0_o) and nurgle because you can survive longer. Those are they only 2 marks tha really work for me. I don't think its really worth 30 pts to get a better Invulnerable save.
Nurgle: +1 toughness
Khorne: +1 attack
Tzeentch: +1 invulnerable
Chaos Glory confused
Slaanesh: +1 Initiative

Khorne definitely seems to be one of the more popular sects of the army...

Or you could try and do it all at the same time with Undivided. Now that's an image.