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 Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 5:58 pm
AmErIcAnSyKo Laws do change. Drinking was once socially unnacceptable.
Just like now, underaged sex, is socially unnacceptable.
In time, that might change, and it may not be "wrong" anymore.
But right now, it is illegal, it is socially unnacceptable, and it is "wrong".
Drinking is legal now because people can be responsible drinkers, but it's illegal to, guess who, UNDERAGED PEOPLE. Why? Because, for the most part, they are irresponsible. That goes the same with sex. It's illegal because kids are irresponsible, and do not think of the concequences.
Not only that, but it's basically taboo here in the United States, to think of underaged children having sex, even though it does happen.
You may think it's not wrong, but legally, you are incorrect.
stare People didn't suddenly become responsible drinkers. Some always were and some still aren't. The law was repealed because it didn't work and the people importing illegal alcohol were in many cases mobsters and murderers. The violence was seen as worse than more widespread alcohol consumption. Through this train of thought, better sex education and less laws might mean an increase in teen sex but a decrease in teen pregnancy and STDs. Laws are made by people. People are flawed and people change. Wouldn't that mean the law is flawed and prone to change? What exactly is your definition of wrong?
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 7:17 pm
Miss Almalexia AmErIcAnSyKo Laws do change. Drinking was once socially unnacceptable.
Just like now, underaged sex, is socially unnacceptable.
In time, that might change, and it may not be "wrong" anymore.
But right now, it is illegal, it is socially unnacceptable, and it is "wrong".
Drinking is legal now because people can be responsible drinkers, but it's illegal to, guess who, UNDERAGED PEOPLE. Why? Because, for the most part, they are irresponsible. That goes the same with sex. It's illegal because kids are irresponsible, and do not think of the concequences.
Not only that, but it's basically taboo here in the United States, to think of underaged children having sex, even though it does happen.
You may think it's not wrong, but legally, you are incorrect.
stare People didn't suddenly become responsible drinkers. Some always were and some still aren't. The law was repealed because it didn't work and the people importing illegal alcohol were in many cases mobsters and murderers. The violence was seen as worse than more widespread alcohol consumption. Through this train of thought, better sex education and less laws might mean an increase in teen sex but a decrease in teen pregnancy and STDs. Laws are made by people. People are flawed and people change. Wouldn't that mean the law is flawed and prone to change? What exactly is your definition of wrong? So what you're saying is, since they outlaw teenage sex, teens are going to do it more, until the law changes??
By saying that, are you suggesting that since cocain is illegal, people are going to do it increasingly until it is made legal to do?
That's insane.
My definition of wrong? Someone doing something that has negative consequences for the one doing it, and/or the people around that person. In this case, teen sex leads to teen pregnancy, which can lead to problems mentally and physically for the teen. If the teen is too young, the parent then has to take care of the child. If the parent refuses to allow it, then the teen is forced to move out (which has obvious effects), or the child is forced into adoption, which leads to problems for the child as it grows.
Almost always is teen pregnancy a bad thing. In my eyes, if something is so one sided with few exceptions, then it's safe for me to say that something like teen sex, is "wrong".
I don't know why you continue to argue. You can't argue with law, and why argue with opinion? We obviously aren't going to persuade the other to change their mind, so what else is there to say?
I agree to disagree.
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 7:34 pm
AmErIcAnSyKo Miss Almalexia AmErIcAnSyKo Miss Almalexia AmErIcAnSyKo Lol. I'm not hiding behind big words. I know what ignorant means.
I assumed you were ignorant because of your stupid remarks and thoughts on the subject. I guess I was wrong. I guess you are, just stupid, if you want me to put it like that.. Or would immature or naive make more sense, in the current situation?
neutral If you know what it means, why did you use it incorrectly? An ignorant person who knows the reasons is an oxymoron. I wouldn't call myself stupid or immature or naive but if you want to, okay. All I've seen is that we disagree. I didn't know you knew the facts, therefore, from your thoughts on the subject, assumed you were ignorant. That explains the misuse of the word, and I corrected myself by calling you stupid.
You're saying it's not wrong. Law states it's wrong, by making it illegal. Therefore, legally and in modern day society, it's wrong. Someone fighting that point, must be an ignorant one. Since you are appearantly not, then you must be, stupid.
Sorry.
neutral Although it was obvious you were referring to me, your use was, in fact, incorrect. AmErIcAnSyKo Not only is it a bad idea, it is against the law. Period. Why? Because of all of the above stated reasons against it. If that's not proof enough for you to believe it's wrong, then you are ignorant. Plain and simple. Also, alcohol was once illegal, does that make drinking wrong? Laws change. If you want to say that having sex under 18 is illegal(depending on area of course), then you're correct. Illegal does not equal wrong. I KNOW I was reffering to you. We established that already. Like I said, I was incorrect in assuming you were ignorant, and I CORRECTED myself. Like I said. For the third time.
Laws do change. Drinking was once socially unnacceptable.
Just like now, underaged sex, is socially unnacceptable.
In time, that might change, and it may not be "wrong" anymore.
But right now, it is illegal, it is socially unnacceptable, and it is "wrong".
Drinking is legal now because people can be responsible drinkers, but it's illegal to, guess who, UNDERAGED PEOPLE. Why? Because, for the most part, they are irresponsible. That goes the same with sex. It's illegal because kids are irresponsible, and do not think of the concequences.
Not only that, but it's basically taboo here in the United States, to think of underaged children having sex, even though it does happen.
You may think it's not wrong, but legally, you are incorrect.
stare O_o... oh I read the USA thing... As far as I know, here the consenting age to have sex is currently 14, so really it's not illegal here to have sex at such an age. (yes I'm in canada...) Either way, the whole underage sex thing goes way back into history. Back in the day, teens at 14 were having children and a family because that was when they thought they were right for child birthing.. basically right at their peak in maturity. Now a days it's looked down upon by adults in others yet it happens. I know i am not totally familiar with the laws in the USA but I do know for a fact that here in Canada there is a consenting age for sex, thus making sex under 18 not illegal though I am sure many people wish it was. Honestly though, if they want to have sex at 14 or 13 or whatever and get pregnant it's their own fault. Most parents tell them things about sex and yet they don't want to listen thus making them stupid for not listening and must deal with the consequences. Like i said earlier, i am not against pre-martial or underage sex, it is their choice really... though again i am sure you are against it so this how our views differ... I have to say though, most teens should wait until at least 16, trust me, 14 and 15 is not such a mature age to do it because you don't know what to do with yourself afterwards.
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 7:37 pm
I have no probalem with pre-marital sex. I'm not religious, so it's just not a problem to me. I think you should do it, whenever you feel ready to. I'm 17 and still a virgin (I have done other stuff stuff) to the BIG thing, because I haven't found the right person yet. It bothers me though when I see teens that are pregnant because they didn't use a condom or just because they're too young to be. I mean a freshman in high school? Why are you 14 and having a kid...didn't you like just exit puberty? But w/e there's nothing I can do about it, I can just keep myself from making the same mistake. I don't feel pressured to do anything right now, and I won't. Simple as that.
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 7:46 pm
Aakiyana I have no probalem with pre-marital sex. I'm not religious, so it's just not a problem to me. I think you should do it, whenever you feel ready to. I'm 17 and still a virgin (I have done other stuff stuff) to the BIG thing, because I haven't found the right person yet. It bothers me though when I see teens that are pregnant because they didn't use a condom or just because they're too young to be. I mean a freshman in high school? Why are you 14 and having a kid...didn't you like just exit puberty? But w/e there's nothing I can do about it, I can just keep myself from making the same mistake. I don't feel pressured to do anything right now, and I won't. Simple as that. that is quite true though, I like how you put that. Plus i think peer-pressure is b/s fully and totally. It's an excuse to do something that you wanted to do. Anyways, you're right, if you are not ready don't do it, and if you are be responsible!! biggrin
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 7:53 pm
AmErIcAnSyKo So what you're saying is, since they outlaw teenage sex, teens are going to do it more, until the law changes??
By saying that, are you suggesting that since cocain is illegal, people are going to do it increasingly until it is made legal to do?
That's insane. Uh, read again. Miss Almalexia The violence was seen as worse than more widespread alcohol consumption. Through this train of thought, better sex education and less laws might mean an increase in teen sex but a decrease in teen pregnancy and STDs. AmErIcAnSyKo My definition of wrong? Someone doing something that has negative consequences for the one doing it, and/or the people around that person. In this case, teen sex leads to teen pregnancy, which can lead to problems mentally and physically for the teen. If the teen is too young, the parent then has to take care of the child. If the parent refuses to allow it, then the teen is forced to move out (which has obvious effects), or the child is forced into adoption, which leads to problems for the child as it grows.
Almost always is teen pregnancy a bad thing. In my eyes, if something is so one sided with few exceptions, then it's safe for me to say that something like teen sex, is "wrong". I think we have different definitions of wrong in that I think it's perfectly fine for someone to hurt themselves but you don't. So yeah... neutral AmErIcAnSyKo I don't know why you continue to argue. You can't argue with law, and why argue with opinion? We obviously aren't going to persuade the other to change their mind, so what else is there to say?
I agree to disagree.
neutral I argue with opinion because opinion is what decides law. Besides, isn't this fun? domokun But yes, we can agree to disagree. whee
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 8:09 pm
I'm gonna have to agree with AmericanSyko on this one, he has had the strongest arguement. Personaly, berfore this I have only thought as far as it is stupid. I don't question the morals in anything, just wether or not it is stupid.
Mostly because nothing is moral, because everyone has there own morals. Just look at the abortion debate in the other thread. Some people think it is immoral to kill a fetis, I have no problem with it. Heck if all I had to do was kill a guy for a million bucks (with no conseqences, of course) 8/10 times he'd be dead. There is atleast one person I wanna kill even with conseqences. Though I'm not going to risk it. You may say that is immoral, but on the contray it is immoral to you. (Note I am nice to most people, I'm just being realistic and honest)
I'm going to think that the people in my school who have kids are sluts. But yet it is their choice and problem not mine.
And you are right. Peer pressure is and excuse to do something that you wanted to do. I agree with that statement 100%.
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 8:26 pm
fujinakaheero that is quite true though, I like how you put that. Plus i think peer-pressure is b/s fully and totally. It's an excuse to do something that you wanted to do. Peer pressure works both ways. Some kids have sex because they don't want to be labeled prudes and some kids don't have sex because they don't want to be labeled sluts. fujinakaheero Anyways, you're right, if you are not ready don't do it, and if you are be responsible!! biggrin Everyone should just do what they want with their bodies.
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 9:38 pm
Miss Almalexia fujinakaheero that is quite true though, I like how you put that. Plus i think peer-pressure is b/s fully and totally. It's an excuse to do something that you wanted to do. Peer pressure works both ways. Some kids have sex because they don't want to be labeled prudes and some kids don't have sex because they don't want to be labeled sluts. fujinakaheero Anyways, you're right, if you are not ready don't do it, and if you are be responsible!! biggrin Everyone should just do what they want with their bodies. that is true, some people are very self conscious about what others think about them, it is kinda sad... though I use to be one of those people. But honestly, just because I was.. young. I am not labeled a slut just because I do not sleep around and I have been with the same person for quite a while. And yes, it is their body, if they want to be stupid, let them.. what are you going to do? Tell them no? Even saying that, it will not change their minds if they are so set on one thing. I do not think it is our problem to worry over people we do not know, yeah you go, oh wow.. she is pregnant but so young.. yet what else can you do, go up to that person, shake them and say `Noo!`? lol... ok so a little over the top but still. I just know if i have had sex with a guy for pleasure and not to procreate then I will use protection because I know better then not to. 3nodding
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 3:19 pm
[...♥]Anyone have an idea for a new
topic..
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 11:23 pm
Spiess Skits [...♥]Anyone have an idea for a new
topic.. Something like.. can gay people have children who are not gay? (this is a huge issue when dealing with adoption and children, as a lot of people say gay people will have gay children... though i find it funny when a straight couple has a gay child @__@) or.. this a major one i discuss with people all the time; > Getting pregnant without actually having sex with a male, is it right or wrong? (this goes with the fact that my girlfriend and I plan on having kids in the future and of course i want to be the carrier, though we plan on getting our friend to donate to us in order to have a child... I've talked to some people who think it's just plain wrong because it goes again nature and blah, blah, blah >.< It gets repetitive sometimes) I will go brainstorm some more ideas too if you are looking for something else.
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 1:43 pm
fujinakaheero Spiess Skits [...♥]Anyone have an idea for a new
topic.. Something like.. can gay people have children who are not gay? (this is a huge issue when dealing with adoption and children, as a lot of people say gay people will have gay children... though i find it funny when a straight couple has a gay child @__@) or.. this a major one i discuss with people all the time; > Getting pregnant without actually having sex with a male, is it right or wrong? (this goes with the fact that my girlfriend and I plan on having kids in the future and of course i want to be the carrier, though we plan on getting our friend to donate to us in order to have a child... I've talked to some people who think it's just plain wrong because it goes again nature and blah, blah, blah >.< It gets repetitive sometimes) I will go brainstorm some more ideas too if you are looking for something else. I think that's a great idea.
Also, how the child would grow up knowing that he/she had homosexual parents?
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 5:52 pm
I don't necessarily think gay "parents" will have gay kids.. (Though, statistically there is a much higher percentage of a chance it will happen, then there is when the parents are heterosexual)
They will definately be more accepting of the idea and more open to try it, to be like their parents. Also, obviously, more comfortable around gays, so that makes a big difference as well..
And as for the artificial insimination (No idea if I spelled that correctly.. Lol), I don't have a problem with it.
If a lesbian, for example, wants to have a child but has no desire to have sex with a man, there should be nothing wrong with that. There IS nothing wrong with that.
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 5:54 am
Depends whether or not there is a gay gene, until that is proven or disproven then any answers or arguments will be purely speculation.
Anyone who says that getting pregnant without having sex with a man is against nature, or that ANYTHING is against nature they seriously need to take a look around. We have pretty much completely ******** nature. neutral Nature now revolves around us and what we do, nature is evolving just everything else is and if science allows something to be possible, for example artificial insemination, then that BECOMES nature.
Conservatism is incredibly ignorant and unprogressive especially in this day and age, and scientific conservatism is not possible.
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 12:21 pm
Cornetto:
Depends whether or not there is a gay gene, until that is proven or disproven then any answers or arguments will be purely speculation.
Anyone who says that getting pregnant without having sex with a man is against nature, or that ANYTHING is against nature they seriously need to take a look around. We have pretty much completely ******** nature. Nature now revolves around us and what we do, nature is evolving just everything else is and if science allows something to be possible, for example artificial insemination, then that BECOMES nature.
Conservatism is incredibly ignorant and unprogressive especially in this day and age, and scientific conservatism is not possible.
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I agree with you Cornetto....
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