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 Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 2:18 pm
Elemantl Your delusions, while cute, will availe you not when faced with the cold reality that Grots have no leadership to speak of, and no weapons worth mentioning. I'd use maximum squads of Ork Bikers and Killa Kans against your pitiful uprising against your rightful Orky masters. Their superior toughness and armor would make short work of even your most 'elite troops'. Waaagh!. BITE US!!!! Grot Battle cry, right before they turn and run. xd xd Fact is, they are meant for fun, but I might even be able to win with them.
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 4:11 pm
With enough luck and time anything is possible.
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 4:45 pm
Well, in my case, it is going to be luck and my genius.
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 10:05 pm
Don't undersetimate the grots a few days ago 4 grots and there slaver using a power claw took out a necron monolith in one shot so blaugh blaugh blaugh blaugh blaugh blaugh blaugh blaugh and in the same battle 3 grots killed 3 necron wraiths in hth blaugh blaugh blaugh blaugh so dont undersetimate them after all they carry sharpe things and are eye level with the family jewels xp xp xp xp
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 4:48 am
Yup, that is true. I say let the Jewel Smashing begin! xd
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 7:03 am
... But it's not possible for a Slaver to take out a Monolith in h2h. With the power claw on he's only a str.6, and even with maximum rolling on a glancing hit he wouldn't be able to scratch that living metal. Actual game mechanics aside, that was the Ork who did the work, not the Grots. Grots without slavers turn tail at the drop of a hat and literally disappear off the field.
The Orks have the single largest mass of Psychic power of any race. Every last Boy is a latent telekinetic, and they use that power to hurl themselves into close combat faster (power of Waaagh! doubles Ork initiative), propel the ammunition from their weapons (so the Imperial scientists guess at least, they can't figure out why Ork weapons fire at all, let alone why they are nearly as good as bolters), and hit harder against weedy gits who wear armor (the choppa denying armor saves). Every last Gretchin has powers over mind and machine. When they don't want to be found, they literally disappear and no force in the galaxy can find them. Except for special Orks who have developed a resistance to their mind tricks, the Slavers who have to round them up. Also they can hit almost anything mechanical with a hammer and it will start functioning again... or blow them up.
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Posted: Wed May 18, 2005 7:55 pm
Elemantl ... But it's not possible for a Slaver to take out a Monolith in h2h. With the power claw on he's only a str.6, and even with maximum rolling on a glancing hit he wouldn't be able to scratch that living metal. Actual game mechanics aside, that was the Ork who did the work, not the Grots. Grots without slavers turn tail at the drop of a hat and literally disappear off the field. The Orks have the single largest mass of Psychic power of any race. Every last Boy is a latent telekinetic, and they use that power to hurl themselves into close combat faster (power of Waaagh! doubles Ork initiative), propel the ammunition from their weapons (so the Imperial scientists guess at least, they can't figure out why Ork weapons fire at all, let alone why they are nearly as good as bolters), and hit harder against weedy gits who wear armor (the choppa denying armor saves). Every last Gretchin has powers over mind and machine. When they don't want to be found, they literally disappear and no force in the galaxy can find them. Except for special Orks who have developed a resistance to their mind tricks, the Slavers who have to round them up. Also they can hit almost anything mechanical with a hammer and it will start functioning again... or blow them up. Yup. As for their tech, I say it is pure faith. They think their weapons will work, so they do. 3nodding
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2005 12:36 am
Luckily that makes perfect sense considering what they believe is equal to what they think, and what they think is transmitted into psychic waves of power that literally alter the galaxy around them. Waves might actually be a good way to put it, considering the more of them there are in one spot the more they alter their surroundings. Kind of like throwing lots of gravel into a lake instead of just one pebble. And then again there are the rare few Orks who have the (mis)fortune to be specially attuned to the overall psychic flows. You see the poor gits like the Weirdboyz who focus the Power of Waaagh! against their wishes, vomiting forth melta-like psychic residue or manifesting fists and feet out of the air to crush men and smash tanks. And you see the other extreme such as that great Prophet of the Waaagh!, Warlord Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka himself. He can channel so much of the Orky energies around himself that he can shape it to shield his own troops, granting EVERY Ork model on the field a +2 Invulnerable save until the full turn is over, as well as making them instantly recover from pinning and succeed in all Moral and Mob checks. Quite impressive. And one of the many reasons he can't be used in battles under 2,000 points. Orks are the greatest latent psychers in the galaxy.
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2005 1:30 am
Well, as for the most powerful latent Psykers deal, not really. Humans would all be class A+ if it were not for the Inquisition. As for the Orks, they are the number 2 group.
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Posted: Thu May 19, 2005 9:33 am
Less than one in 100,000 humans is a psycher of any calibre whatsoever. Most of those are mutants killed on sight by any loyal citizen of the Imperium, and nearly all the rest of them are forced into the service of the Astropathicus or are used to feed the all-hungry monster on the Golden Throne. Among the psychers that are left after this culling, nearly all of them are Inquisitors. I believe one source I read put an Inquisitor with psychic prowess at roughly one psycher per 1,000 space marines. And of that small number, less than one in 10,000 is class A+. What the heck makes you think Humans are any compition whatsoever -as a race- when compared with each any every member of the Ork race being a latent psycher? There is no denying that humans produce the strongest psychers in the universe, I'm not saying they don't and there is plenty of Eldar fluff where they are flabergasted by how rediculously powerful a random human is compared to their Farseers. But humankind as a whole is in no way psychically gifted. As a whole, humans are fleshy pink things that rarely even carry a gun, let alone hurl mind bullets. Fluff wise.
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 12:09 am
Elemantl Less than one in 100,000 humans is a psycher of any calibre whatsoever. Most of those are mutants killed on sight by any loyal citizen of the Imperium, and nearly all the rest of them are forced into the service of the Astropathicus or are used to feed the all-hungry monster on the Golden Throne. Among the psychers that are left after this culling, nearly all of them are Inquisitors. I believe one source I read put an Inquisitor with psychic prowess at roughly one psycher per 1,000 space marines. And of that small number, less than one in 10,000 is class A+. What the heck makes you think Humans are any compition whatsoever -as a race- when compared with each any every member of the Ork race being a latent psycher? There is no denying that humans produce the strongest psychers in the universe, I'm not saying they don't and there is plenty of Eldar fluff where they are flabergasted by how rediculously powerful a random human is compared to their Farseers. But humankind as a whole is in no way psychically gifted. As a whole, humans are fleshy pink things that rarely even carry a gun, let alone hurl mind bullets. Fluff wise. Well, fluff wise, if the Inquisition did not kill every Psyker they found, or feed them to the Emperor, or use them as Astropaths, by the time it got to this point in the Imperium's impressive reign, it would be more like one in every three is A Psyker. And it will happen sooner or later, as it is what humans are evolving into. Pure and simple, they are not mutants, merely the next step, like the Emperor wanted.
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 8:17 am
That is true, though human psychics are used for the astrotelephica, navagators, battle psychics, Libraians and other functions. Then theres that alpha level psyker. These are either shot or used as battle psykers or Librarians if they are skilled and young enough. Psykers are even used in the Officio Assasinorum, though it is not listed in the codexs or rules, it would not surprise me though they are there. However as with all people who use psychic powers there is a fine line between service to the Emperor and Damnation.
An Rogue Alpha Level is the single greatest challend an Inquisitor of the Ordo Hereticus has to face.
((I apologize if I repeated anything, but this i had to say. Many of it is from the codex)
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 8:47 am
Relkin9 Well, fluff wise, if the Inquisition did not kill every Psyker they found, or feed them to the Emperor, or use them as Astropaths, by the time it got to this point in the Imperium's impressive reign, it would be more like one in every three is A Psyker. And it will happen sooner or later, as it is what humans are evolving into. Pure and simple, they are not mutants, merely the next step, like the Emperor wanted. What fluff have you been reading that would lead you to make such an assumption? Nearly all psychics discovered in the Imperium come from the lower dregs of the hive cities. They have been polluted, and literally mutated, often having extra arms or orifices. It's the chemicals and waste that "unlock" their powers. That is where over 95% of human psychers come from, and they are mostly killed because they are a danger to themselves and those around them. A demon could use one as a vessel at any moment. Were these freaks allowed to breed (if they are even capable of it, some are mutated so badly they are not), they wouldn't make a race of evolved humans, they would make an army of chaos worshiping mutants that would resemble humans in much the same way Genestealers do. An off shoot too polluted to be saved. One in three could never become a psycher, -especially- not A+, because all of humanity would be destroyed by those very same psychers thousands of years before, commanded by chaos gods and possessed by spirits of destruction. Even if humans were supposed to evolve into a totally psychic race like the Ork, they'd never survive as such. Orks are special because they were made with a sort of Chaos nullifying bubble around them. Ork Weirdboyz don't make 'perils of the warp' check, because their close proximity to other Orks renders them totally protected from the warp. Doesn't mean their heads wont explode from too much Waaagh! tho....
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 10:04 am
I think you are talking about mutants. True that psychics can be found found in Hive cities, but they can also be found in other palces. Notabley in feral worlds where they take the place as shamans or medicine men. From what I have read on that is that they are not mutnats but spiritual leaders.
I find it interesting that we went from talking about orcs to psykers.
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Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 11:01 am
Feral world Psychics are almost all of the 5% of psychers that are not found as mutated diseased things in the bowels of a Hive. I've read quite a bit of fluff on the Black Ships and where they pick up psychers from, it's a very very small percentage of the human population that shows any psychic talent at all. It's just that when it comes to the novels and actually making armies, psychers are fun so we use them.
And ya, we got to this from Orks being latent psychers one and all. It just makes me wonder how strong the Brain Boyz were before they were wiped out. Has anyone else read the Freebooter fluff?
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