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@Kits - well for me, my only qualm (so far as the fiction verse - things get tricky when you hit reality of course) is the whole reproductive option of het. In yuri or yaoi pairings - except with the whole artistic license that things like mpreg imply - men/men and women/women can't have babies. Whereas Dib in theory could actually knock Gaz up - and that's just creepy. Although Gaz and Dib are children in general, so they kind of have a double taboo going there.

Yea, and I was actually talking to a friends brother this weekend about noncon. It's a pretty common fetish/fantasy - it's just rape is such a serious, controversial offense, that it's uncomfortable for people to individually admit that. However as long as it remains in the realm of imagination/controlled role play I don't think it's really that big a deal - but hey, people have hang ups with sex in general. Prudish America ^_~.

@Both - I want to toy with people forever too! Haha, no I'm just rambling here, oh man I'm tired. Didn't sleep at all in Tahoe ~_~.

I know, but I'm a realist, and in reality, the only 100% effective birth control is abstinence, so two headed babies are always a possibility - even if slight.

Also, I think the fact that I have a brother who so overly repulses me makes it harder to accept het incest in general. I don't have sisters, not really (long story, need to get ready to go out soon so won't detail that all here, later if you want). I think about brother/sister, I inevitably can't help but think about my brother - and gag me no! I've known a pair of brothers - who no aren't into each other at all, but did some not so G (but no not R) rated things for a game, and I can't lie, even in reality it was kinda hot. I dunno how I'd feel if they really liked each other or did more or whatnot, but the suggestiveness of it, even with them being real people that I know, I'd be lying if I said I didn't like it just a bit. *burns in Hell* ~_~

It's just with genetic orders in abundance, a child is more likely to inherit these if both parents are off the same line, even recessive traits are more likely to end up displayed. And yea, 40 plus year old parents creep me out too, so that's not a good argument for me, haha. I find them both creepy. I dunno, I mean with the whole difference in gender roles, which exist like it or not, it just seems weirder to have het incest pairings. Brother love or sister bonding just doesn't seem as wrong.

And it was totally hot, I at least can take comfort in knowing I'm not the only one on staff who thinks so razz .

I was making that the low mark for where it starts to fall off. Granted genetics is a game of "it just depends." Some 20 year olds will have children with defects, likewise, some 50 year olds happen to have normal children.

I guess it's the whole inequality between the sexes thing in combination with family that just makes it disturbing for me. I mean yea, as much as "equality" is touted, things will never be equal, because part of equal = same. And that's ok, but because of that, certain lines being blurred seem more problematic than others.

Yea, but most siblings, especially in relation to each other show defined gender roles. It's what ingrains the whole "you are my brother" you are my "sister" bond versus just "you are my sibling". I mean there may be few exceptions, but none that are dominant enough in any series I follow for me to comfortable with. I mean even the best attempts at androgynous usually hedge to something, be it as bold as mannerisms or as subtle as speech patterns. Het incest cropped up in this series I had been reading (and will probably keep reading?) recently. I mean part of what's so disturbing to me is the guy has this sick sense of ownership about her, and she's obedient puppy ok with it, still it has me completely freaked out. And honestly this one current case has me offset to any possibility of others at the moment.

Yea, I think if there weren't such set brother/sister roles established it wouldn't be so bad. Especially the protector ones. Because your protector shouldn't be trying to bang you, it seems a conflict of interests xp .

Yea but the "knight" role and the "older brother" aren't usually done the same, I meant the latter sense of protector.

Well, sort of? I mean to me the representation of "knight/love interest/etc" type protector isn't similar to the representation of familial protector. So I was just saying if your relationship role is that of family protector, you shouldn't be trying to sleep with the one you are protective of. It's conflicting to the role. Heroic protectors are more about being adversaries against actual physical/social dangers - usually specifically with the interest of winning romantic affection, it's a different relationship. Different representation of relations, different motives, etc.

So when you were talking about "cases" of the same thing, I was just saying I don't see it as the same thing. They aren't the same relationship/aren't portrayed similarly.