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Gravechylde
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 8:35 pm


Digital Malevolence
Gravechylde
Digital Malevolence
Gravechylde
Digital Malevolence
I've heard debates that all gothic metal is, is melodic symphonic black metal. Its as debatable as a subgenre of metal as viking metal is.

Edit: so pretty much, black and gothic are very close subgenres, usually.

No, not at all. Certain bands like CoF, Dimmu Borgir, Moonspell, and Agathodaimon, may fit that but stuff like Type O Negative, Paradise Lost, Within Temptation, Tristania, and Poisonblack are nothing like that.
Yeah, I never said I agreed, I only heard that arguement. and in almost all gothic metal bands I've heard, theres black metal elements in almost all gothic metal bands, even in; Type O, Within Temptation, PoisonBlack, and Tristania....I never really listened to Paradise Lost.

I haven't heard any in Poisonblack, or Paradise Lost (I haven't listened to the others too much). Poisonblack is more along the lines of Heavy/Post-thrash.
Hmm, I suppose you're right.....but I would say its safe to agree that a good 75% of Gothic Metal has black metal influences and elements.

I'm not really familiar enough with the genre to really say.
PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 8:36 pm


Volvy
I don't like Goth Metal... opera is lovely, but don't sing it in front of a metal band.

From what I've heard, it's really just the female-fronted bands that are opera type vocals.

Gravechylde
Vice Captain


MegaTherion777

PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 8:38 pm


Mopsicle
Kind of straying from the current topic but yeah...


HATE COUNTRY.



PERIOD.
*blasts johnny cash*
PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 8:41 pm


MegaTherion777
Mopsicle
Kind of straying from the current topic but yeah...


HATE COUNTRY.



PERIOD.
*blasts johnny cash*

YEAH!

Gravechylde
Vice Captain


MegaTherion777

PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 8:42 pm


Gravechylde
MegaTherion777
Mopsicle
Kind of straying from the current topic but yeah...


HATE COUNTRY.



PERIOD.
*blasts johnny cash*

YEAH!
I SHOT A MAN IN RENO JUST TO WATCH HIM DIE!!!
PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 8:48 pm


MegaTherion777
Gravechylde
MegaTherion777
Mopsicle
Kind of straying from the current topic but yeah...


HATE COUNTRY.



PERIOD.
*blasts johnny cash*

YEAH!
I SHOT A MAN IN RENO JUST TO WATCH HIM DIE!!!

WELL, YOU WONDER WHY I ALWAYS DRESS IN BLACK!
WHY YOU NEVER SEE BRIGHT COLORS ON MY BACK!

Gravechylde
Vice Captain


MegaTherion777

PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 8:53 pm


Gravechylde
MegaTherion777
Gravechylde
MegaTherion777
Mopsicle
Kind of straying from the current topic but yeah...


HATE COUNTRY.



PERIOD.
*blasts johnny cash*

YEAH!
I SHOT A MAN IN RENO JUST TO WATCH HIM DIE!!!

WELL, YOU WONDER WHY I ALWAYS DRESS IN BLACK!
WHY YOU NEVER SEE BRIGHT COLORS ON MY BACK!
I SAID MY NAME IS SUE, HOW DO YOU DO? NOW YOU GONNA DIE!
PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 9:03 pm


Johnny Cash Rocks 3nodding

Divinus Cruor


Shadowlit Facade

PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 9:04 pm


Gravechylde
Digital Malevolence
Gravechylde
Digital Malevolence
Gravechylde
Digital Malevolence
I've heard debates that all gothic metal is, is melodic symphonic black metal. Its as debatable as a subgenre of metal as viking metal is.

Edit: so pretty much, black and gothic are very close subgenres, usually.

No, not at all. Certain bands like CoF, Dimmu Borgir, Moonspell, and Agathodaimon, may fit that but stuff like Type O Negative, Paradise Lost, Within Temptation, Tristania, and Poisonblack are nothing like that.
Yeah, I never said I agreed, I only heard that arguement. and in almost all gothic metal bands I've heard, theres black metal elements in almost all gothic metal bands, even in; Type O, Within Temptation, PoisonBlack, and Tristania....I never really listened to Paradise Lost.

I haven't heard any in Poisonblack, or Paradise Lost (I haven't listened to the others too much). Poisonblack is more along the lines of Heavy/Post-thrash.
Hmm, I suppose you're right.....but I would say its safe to agree that a good 75% of Gothic Metal has black metal influences and elements.

I'm not really familiar enough with the genre to really say.

Though I think 75 percent is too high of a guess, I would say that quite of few of the early gothic metal or turned-gothic bands played more intense music beforehand. For instance, two of my favorite GM bands, Sentenced and Tiamat, both had drastically different musical styles in the beginning. Tiamat's latest album "Amanethes" is much more mellow than BM, but the lyrical content and themes would be very much at home in a classic black metal album.
PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 9:08 pm


Divinus Cruor
Johnny Cash Rocks 3nodding
indeed.

MegaTherion777


Volvy

PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 11:45 am


Gravechylde
Volvy
I don't like Goth Metal... opera is lovely, but don't sing it in front of a metal band.

From what I've heard, it's really just the female-fronted bands that are opera type vocals.


True, but

A) those bands are generally goth metal

B) most male fronted goth metal bands have guys who look like women anyway
PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 1:08 pm


Volvy
Gravechylde
Volvy
I don't like Goth Metal... opera is lovely, but don't sing it in front of a metal band.

From what I've heard, it's really just the female-fronted bands that are opera type vocals.


True, but

A) those bands are generally goth metal

B) most male fronted goth metal bands have guys who look like women anyway
xd

Txuss


MegaTherion777

PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 3:27 pm


Volvy
Gravechylde
Volvy
I don't like Goth Metal... opera is lovely, but don't sing it in front of a metal band.

From what I've heard, it's really just the female-fronted bands that are opera type vocals.


True, but

A) those bands are generally goth metal

B) most male fronted goth metal bands have guys who look like women anyway
enter dani filth.
PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 6:11 pm


MegaTherion777
Volvy
Gravechylde
Volvy
I don't like Goth Metal... opera is lovely, but don't sing it in front of a metal band.

From what I've heard, it's really just the female-fronted bands that are opera type vocals.


True, but

A) those bands are generally goth metal

B) most male fronted goth metal bands have guys who look like women anyway
enter dani filth.

lol

Gravechylde
Vice Captain


MegaTherion777

PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 7:30 pm


Gravechylde
MegaTherion777
Volvy
Gravechylde
Volvy
I don't like Goth Metal... opera is lovely, but don't sing it in front of a metal band.

From what I've heard, it's really just the female-fronted bands that are opera type vocals.


True, but

A) those bands are generally goth metal

B) most male fronted goth metal bands have guys who look like women anyway
enter dani filth.

lol
well, its true. he looks like a chick. an ugly chick, but a chick nonetheless
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