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 Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:17 pm
Fiddlers Green So, when a legally elected government exerts/institutionalizes privilege, it is also fine? It depends upon who owns the government. We the people are the creator of this nation, supposedly, so it doesn't have the right to exert privilege unless we allow it to.
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 9:02 pm
Fiddlers Green So, when a legally elected government exerts/institutionalizes privilege, it is also fine? There is within governmental systems earned privilege and unearned privilege- just as individuals hold both.
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Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:07 am
Violet Song jat Shariff Aino Ailill The request is not to be walked to and from, but to be accompanied throughout the entire venture because e needs someone to walk with e and sit with e despite that, presumably, there are people already willing and able to do this. And I'm still not seeing what is so terrible about it. He wishes for her company above the others. And the child wishes for anything other than to step foot inside the church. Even if one can't understand, or doesn't agree with the reasoning, why aught this aversion be discarded? Quote: Had she respectfully declined and tried to perhaps even bargain with him (i.e., "Sure I can walk you but I think I could better use the time taking care of a few things rather than sitting in the church. Would that work out well for you?" or even suggest she can take him to a different church where she might not feel as uncomfortable ) I don't think I'd feel such disgust. As it's has been pointed out, she was rude, condescending, and very disrespectful instead to a simple request. And it still doesn't amount to this huge guilt trip that she's supposedly making it out to be. "I will walk you, but I am not stepping foot inside the church and staying for services. " Quote: Aino Ailill Really? I get the feeling 'my spiritual and emotional wants and needs are important. I am not going to sacrifice myself by causing myself undue discomfort when your physical needs (which is what has been presented as the cause the request) are being met by others. Your emotional desire to want me, specifically, there is not due cause for me to place myself in a position of discomfort.' Really? What kind of "sacrifices", spiritually, would she really be making to sit in a church for an hour on a Sunday? And what discomfort? Yes there will be things said that don't 100% mesh with her spiritual views, but she doesn't have to agree with them full-stock. Again, I find that this leads back to the thinking among some Pagans that going into a church somehow makes them less Pagany. Due to past interactions with this person, yes, I am fairly certain. Aino Ailill Yeah, that's weird. neutral LOL yea to say the least xd Aino Ailill I don't think that is a conclusion that can be drawn from what little information is present. I would say at least serious injury. Winter can be hard on arthritis. If he has trouble standing up or going up or down stairs and happens to fall...that can really mess someone up. Aino Ailill Then why was e not content with the offer of the child to walk with the father but not to enter the church? And why would one's emotional desires override another's emotional aversions? For sitting with him through service I attribute it to the second friend he usually sits with being gone and he still wants the company of two people that he is familiar with and trusts. I really don't see it as an emotional aversion tbh. More of a faulty spiritual aversion due to her not understanding that Christianity and Paganism don't have to be like oil and water - that she *can* sit in a church and not actively participate and it won't make her less of a Pagan. It wasn't "Oh going to church makes me angry/sad/frustrated/bored/etc..." it was "It is not my belief." Reviewing the summary of the conversation, all that is said as a reason for not wanting to go is as you have quoted. I made an assumption that there was an emotional and/or spiritual aversion based on the person being so emphatic on not attending, although that could have arisen from believing that the father is attempting to convert the child or any other number of reasons. However, even if the cause is solely that the child does not wish to attend another faith's worship service, when the child holds so strongly to it as is apparent, than is the emotion the less for it? Quote: Aino Ailill Again, not a conclusion that can be drawn from the limited information. I know. Which is why I said "perhaps." wink . I do not mean this in a snide, condescending manner, but have you ever had to take care of someone who was quite ill like the father in my quote was? I mean, not be their primary care-taker of course, but sort of be their hands and feet, assisting them in some of the smaller day-to-day things? I have. And that is why I find her attitude towards her father totally disgusting. I understand how, when someone is that ill, that they trust family and a few close friends more than they would someone that they don't have as much contact with. I've only cared for children to that extent and I was more than happy to do so. However, when there was something that I flat out didn't want to do, even when the person needed me in order to do it, I did not do it. Refusing to do one thing that causes serious aversion, even if the aversion is irrational (such as becoming less Pagan or having a phobia of roaches), as long as it is not a typical trend in all aspects, seems perfectly reasonable to me. Quote: Aino Ailill There are others that are willing and able to accompany the father. I believe Poe addressed a possible reason why the father doesn't care to reach out to all of the people his daughter is pointing him to: Recursive Paradox PWD (people with disabilities) often have issues of trust because of how often we're tossed aside. It's a lot easier to have people around that we trust and care for because it helps us feel safer. It may not be that he simply doesn't want to, but rather doesn't feel that he can while maintaining an acceptable level of safety and trust. This is not a conclusion I feel comfortable drawing. The reason may instead be that the father is truly using e's disability as an excuse in order to guilt the child into attending a service so as to save the child. I don't feel as though there is enough information present to condemn the child for refusing to go, thought there might be enough to condemn the child for the attitude displayed depending on one's view of duty and entitlement. For me, there is not enough information to go even that far.
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Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:10 am
CuAnnan Ashley the Bee I'm sorry. I'm clearly wrong. o.O? I agree with an awful lot of what you're saying. As did I.
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Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 3:38 pm
Quote: Yes, I believe in Angels. There are Angels in Many Religion. They just go by Different Names. The Valkyrie Cupid Seraph Correct me if I'm Wrong. But I still Believe Because we all know every supernatural entity that acts as a messenger at any point is a ******** servant of YHVH, amirite?
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Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 6:17 pm
Cyrus the Elder Quote: Yes, I believe in Angels. There are Angels in Many Religion. They just go by Different Names. The Valkyrie Cupid Seraph Correct me if I'm Wrong. But I still Believe Because we all know every supernatural entity that acts as a messenger at any point is a ******** servant of YHVH, amirite? Also, did you know that the birth of Horus (Jesus!) was proclaimed by angels? Because it's true, everyone knows this.
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Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 8:14 pm
AniMajor Cyrus the Elder Quote: Yes, I believe in Angels. There are Angels in Many Religion. They just go by Different Names. The Valkyrie Cupid Seraph Correct me if I'm Wrong. But I still Believe Because we all know every supernatural entity that acts as a messenger at any point is a ******** servant of YHVH, amirite? Also, did you know that the birth of Horus (Jesus!) was proclaimed by angels? Because it's true, everyone knows this. And that Christmas is actually a pagan holiday that the ebil Xtians stole.
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Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:11 am
rmcdra And that Christmas is actually a pagan holiday that the ebil Xtians stole. christmas confuses me to no end gonk but i decorate and give gifts anyway ninja
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Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 9:25 am
whiporwill-o christmas confuses me to no end gonk What about it confuses you?
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Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 10:42 am
maybe not the "worst things" a pagan could say, but...
when people who claim to be Wiccan say things like "love and light" and "brightest blessings." i mean, all of those things are good, but aren't Wiccans all about polarity? what about the darker sort of blessings, where Deity slaps you in the face with the truth and it hurts, but you learn so much from the experience? why only light, and not the darkness? i mean, yeah, overload on the "darkness" and you'll get problems, but i think it can be just as good as "light" and "bright blessings."
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Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 9:28 am
Found this in the witchcraft thread Quote: Perhaps Wicca itself needs another name then. Perhaps just calling it the Gardnerian (Alexandrian, etc) Tradition would suffice? Because it's original meaning is basically to practice witchcraft. Therefore, in a round about way, all who practice witchcraft could call themselves Wiccan. Now I may be getting snotty about it, but it's kind of true. Now, I know of witches who never have practiced in a format of the whole Wiccan thing. The duality gods, the 8 holidays, etc. And they don't want to even associate with the term, especially because the whole 'religion' of Wicca is not traditional. But when you break down words, it kind of gives you a new view on things.
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Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 11:10 am
From one of my friends ex's:
I summoned Asteroth. Here's his sigil ---> holding notebook paper drawing of the symbol from full metal alchemist and random other crap scribbled...
My town was infested with werewolves.
I've been through the portal to the other dimension...you couldn't handle it.
And many more lovely tidbits. He was nuttier than ...jeez...i can't think of anything. He's crazier than just about everyone. Except for a local coven I HATE. They all have the blue moon tattoo from Avalon on their foreheads. And have rituals and magical names from the movie. *shudder* weirdos
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Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 6:40 pm
Shearaha Found this in the witchcraft thread Quote: Perhaps Wicca itself needs another name then. Perhaps just calling it the Gardnerian (Alexandrian, etc) Tradition would suffice? Because it's original meaning is basically to practice witchcraft. Therefore, in a round about way, all who practice witchcraft could call themselves Wiccan. Now I may be getting snotty about it, but it's kind of true. Now, I know of witches who never have practiced in a format of the whole Wiccan thing. The duality gods, the 8 holidays, etc. And they don't want to even associate with the term, especially because the whole 'religion' of Wicca is not traditional. But when you break down words, it kind of gives you a new view on things. Can't say I find that to be the worst thing a pagan to say, especially since it has a fair basis in fact and is demonstrating an understanding of the history of the word's use by Gardner and isn't relying on fallacies. Hell, it even goes so far as to point out that not all witches would consider using the term.
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