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TvIaMsOqTuHeYz

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 1:05 pm


Because this serves no place anywhere else, If I made a dwarf Inuzuka, could he ride his wolf? And Potentially, would he be allowed to use his talent to tame other animals? Namely a bear and some aquatic animal? A deer and a Panda might not be bad for him to tame either... For all intents and purposes, the wolf is the only one capable of using Inuzuka techniques, the others are just standard animals that might or might not get some sort of boost from ninja training.
PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 6:19 am


TvIaMsOqTuHeYz
Because this serves no place anywhere else, If I made a dwarf Inuzuka, could he ride his wolf? And Potentially, would he be allowed to use his talent to tame other animals? Namely a bear and some aquatic animal? A deer and a Panda might not be bad for him to tame either... For all intents and purposes, the wolf is the only one capable of using Inuzuka techniques, the others are just standard animals that might or might not get some sort of boost from ninja training.


If you made a very small Inuzuka with a very large pet dog, yes, he probably could ride it. (When we get around to edits on that clan we'll probably include some sort of scale for the dog's size and, well, other stats.) And no, Inuzuka can only train dogs. They aren't a "Tame wild animals" clan, they're a "Train the dogs that they've been raising for generations" clan, though getting a random dog someplace and training it probably is fine too, considering.

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The biggest compensation is that he'll be a Hatake with Speed type, Weapon master, Reaction speed increase, and a Talent that basically increases his speed and reaction in battle by two ranks. Effectively if he doesn't go up against someone 3 ranks above him, he'll be a flash, though he only fights defensively, never aiming to kill.
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Distinguishing Features: Despite the fact he is a Hatake, both in blood and in name, he lacks the white hair and affinity for white chakra.


No. First, it's not that easy to get a +3 boost. If you already have a +2 from clan and type, you're not going to get another from talent. Especially not another two. The fact that you only want the clan in question for the free type, and apparently plan on somehow removing every other aspect of the clan from the character, will also see your clan app denied on the spot.

Side note: It IS good to see you finally trying to design your character within the bounds of their clan and types, but you need to do a bit better than that. XD

Hinote Tosatsu
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TvIaMsOqTuHeYz

Dangerous Loiterer

PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 12:19 pm


Hinote Tosatsu


But... He'll have a talent that he can tame other animals as well, while sacrificing all but possibly Medical ninjutsu. [That's right, the dwarf inuzuka is going to be a druid based on healing! And summoning, but that's just to summon his animals and send them away through reverse summoning when it's too dangerous.] Would his Talent have to sacrifice Inuzuka techniques as well to achieve the tame wild animals effect?

His talent will literally be that he gets a +1 speed increase, and a +2 Reaction increase, and that is it completely. His sacrifice is that he gives up all chakra usage, and isn't even applicable to utilize his clan's abilities. [The reason he can't is because of his altered chakra system. He's physically incapable of it because his chakra system is wired to his muscular system giving him a constant boost to speed, though not to strength.]

Thank you. ^>^ I've been working on him offline, along with two new character ideas. With this emerging village, there are a lot more character makes I could actually go with, as opposed to the previous established villages.
PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 9:21 pm


Sorry, dont think such a talent would work without some serious definition. You have to detail what could be trained, what any non-dog pets could actually do in regard to inuzuka abilities etc. Even then though it would be difficult to make that work.

Also if Hathor is the one you want to make an inuzuka... It doesnt make sense to be a member of a clan and be feral (without any connection to people). You simply wouldnt have any clan traits or knowledge. Might want to consider having him be a hermit who left the clan, or was on some sort of rite of passage instead. A hermit would seem to fit the character pretty well actually, he was alone long enough to forget how to speak properly so he has to relearn, but it isnt nearly impossible to do so. (real life feral children have a very very hard time learning basic speech)

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TvIaMsOqTuHeYz

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 11:34 am


Only the dwarf's wolf could possibly use Inuzuka techniques, and the others would only ever get size bonuses, and maybe str and spd bonuses. That's as far as they can go. Tamed animals other than the wolf are completely incapable of jutsu. Bears would naturally gain ranks in strength over ranks in speed. Deer would gain speed as opposed to strength.

For Hathor [The Feral Inuzuka] He's never going to be capable of Inuzuka abilities unless someone else plays an Inuzuka, or someone drags an Inuzuka NPC into the village. He has no clue that he is even human. He's been so far removed from all society that he can't identify himself with another human, and instead sees himself as an animal. [And no, he's not the dwarf druid. That's another one that I can never find a picture for.] He's going to be a tracker shinobi built for quick kills and heavy damage.
PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 4:30 pm


Toryu Naminosaki
I can explain how I would do the seals with the dances, but this character I got really excited while making it. I plan to have the fluff text in guild posts dictate a small amount of chakra (not even a listable number) being able to be seen by doujutsu that see chakra. This chakra would lay on the ground dormant until the activation charge at which point the seal would light up. I thought it was unique and would like to play it this way if I can...otherwise I doubt ill even roleplay. I mean, already waiting a month...


That could actually be doable, at least for the priming and activation phase. You'd need a different medium than the footprints though. One of the updates I mentioned over in the other thread is that seals are first created via their medium, be it ink, a carving, or whatever else is used, and then primed. What you described works as the priming phase. It's actually an interesting idea as compared to someone trying to prime a seal by hand or pre-priming all their seals. You'd just need to work out a more viable medium. Water could work, since you're designing a suiton user. The thing about seals is they have to be very precise, that's difficult to achieve if you try carving them with footprints.

As for the wait, it's unfortunate, I know. But our RP was slowing down a lot, and we've had very few members for quite some time, so we decided to bite the bullet and redesign. Basically at the moment you could consider us as a new guild under construction. We have all our systems already, but the world still needs to be built. We're hoping to start on that soon, but things often move slowly so I'm not holding my breath for a shorter wait, but am hoping for it.

Hinote Tosatsu
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Toryu Naminosaki

PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 4:37 pm


Hinote Tosatsu
Toryu Naminosaki
I can explain how I would do the seals with the dances, but this character I got really excited while making it. I plan to have the fluff text in guild posts dictate a small amount of chakra (not even a listable number) being able to be seen by doujutsu that see chakra. This chakra would lay on the ground dormant until the activation charge at which point the seal would light up. I thought it was unique and would like to play it this way if I can...otherwise I doubt ill even roleplay. I mean, already waiting a month...


That could actually be doable, at least for the priming and activation phase. You'd need a different medium than the footprints though. One of the updates I mentioned over in the other thread is that seals are first created via their medium, be it ink, a carving, or whatever else is used, and then primed. What you described works as the priming phase. It's actually an interesting idea as compared to someone trying to prime a seal by hand or pre-priming all their seals. You'd just need to work out a more viable medium. Water could work, since you're designing a suiton user. The thing about seals is they have to be very precise, that's difficult to achieve if you try carving them with footprints.

As for the wait, it's unfortunate, I know. But our RP was slowing down a lot, and we've had very few members for quite some time, so we decided to bite the bullet and redesign. Basically at the moment you could consider us as a new guild under construction. We have all our systems already, but the world still needs to be built. We're hoping to start on that soon, but things often move slowly so I'm not holding my breath for a shorter wait, but am hoping for it.
Dont think of the movments as just "Steps" think of them as the more exotic dancers with their sweeping movments and little hops. We can already release chakra from our feet, and hyuga go so far as to be able to do that from any of their tenketsu (Interesting applications from that one.) As far as the medium, Im not gonna say dead skin cells as thats a little too minmaxy, but if i have to use more jutsu when it already costs double chakra for the ability to be used, whats the point of doing that? Just make a regular sealer at that point. If i could roleplay it as a light mist laying in my wake or just lining the ground with chakra, ill do it but not using even more. Would be a little ridiculous at that point.
PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 6:23 pm


I'd like to put out there that speed is the most piss poor choice of a stat to buff the most. Speed is nice, but you'll be unable to hurt a tank. If you use swords, then the tank could just use gauntlets and catch your sword, effectively disabling you since you can't even scratch the tank. [I had a tank character in D&D and our Rogue thought he'd take me on because I kinda... threw him at a dragon... and My tank just stood there until the little guy tucked himself out because my tank's skin was leathery enough he didn't really get bothered by the little knives, and actually ended up picking one out of his Thigh. So Yeah, despite the rogue effectively being 3x my speed, my tank beat it just by standing still, then sitting on it. That tank also took out traps by walking through them, but eh. Best conversation in game though. "Hey, there's traps in this hallway." "Cool, where? /runs through the hallway getting pelted with arrows and flying bear traps, doesn't even stumble once."] An Endurance stat would be the hardest to overcome, you'd literally have to just take chunks off the dude. Or put him to sleep... TT^TT Rest in pieces my sweet sweet barbarian. Though you were possessed by a demon, I still stood by it'syour decisions.

TvIaMsOqTuHeYz

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Hikaro_rin
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 6:55 pm


Ill have to call BS on speed being useless. I find it difficult (in any balanced setup) to imagine a strength only character surviving against a speed character without some really heavy armor (with no obvious weak points). Otherwise you'd be ribbons in a second. Even if your skin is like leather, enough hits, especially precise hits, will knock you down in moments. (not to mention obvious weak points such as the eyes)
PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:00 pm


Timmy, honestly... A competent speed character can crush just about anything. The trick is in having the proper skills or equipment to complement their speed. In a match between S and your barbarian, I am quite confident it would end with a pile of steak. Barbarian steak, specifically.

Besides, you're talking D&D again. I have no trouble believing that you probably beat the opponent out in all the dice rolls and pumped your stats enough to do well on the rest even if you didn't. Honestly that falls badly on your DM for not raising the level of the world to be more dangerous, or at least stalling your development somehow.

Hinote Tosatsu
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TvIaMsOqTuHeYz

Dangerous Loiterer

PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:28 pm


I'm not saying it's useless, I'm saying if you pump speed without the other stats, you effectively become unable to beat some opponents. Take a fly for example, those things are fast, and until they get tired and land, hitting one by hand is difficult. But a fly isn't going to hurt you because your Con and STR are higher than it's damage capability.

Why would you just stand there and let it hit you in the eyes? My character might have had trouble speaking common and Krell, but he wasn't stupid enough to let things hit his vital areas. He knew to block his neck, and all of that stuff, it's just that he was about the size of a year old Elephant. Not a tiny elephant, but a medium sized one. He wasn't going to be easy to kill, he brought an entire building down on top of himself just because someone pissed him off and walked out of it with only taking 5 damage because of his racial damage threshold. He was the equivalent of Sloth from FMA, minus the speed. That being said, Magic owned him completely. In D&D, Just because someone has phys resist doesn't make them powerful. In this setting, if I used him, Nemuri would kill him outright. It would put him so far into sleep that he'd cease all bodily functions. That's how much a magic attack would do to him. It's the only way my DM could honestly kill him because he kept sacrificing things to the demon that possessed him, and the dagger that got a +4 to damage for every sacrifice as long as he sacrificed someone per week in game.

Probably, My barbarian wouldn't have really been able to hit him all that well, so my barbarian couldn't have caught him and ripped him in half. [Starting str 24, which is actually a level 10+ stat range.] My Barbarian was built specifically to take the damage for the team and rip everything apart in his path to further the groups goals. Be it necessary to sacrifice a child or two, he didn't care as long as it furthered the goals of the people he cared about. [That's why he became a Lawful Evil, which really pissed off our Lawful Good Paladin.]

No, the dice weren't in my favor at all, I just had a decent character build, a ton of hp, and he couldn't reach over my 10 point damage threshold fast enough to hurt me all that much. Honestly if he would have used his rogue skills and slashed at my ankles, he could have got me, but he wasn't trying to kill me, just get revenge for me throwing him AT A DRAGON. And literally, after he got tired, my character just put his weight on him, but not enough to hurt him.

Also, my DM didn't think anything of it until he killed something he shouldn't have been able to since it's damage threshold and phys resistance was higher than mine. Then he went out of his way to send my character on a mission into the wilderness where he pitted me against a Lamia, put me to sleep, and had it sacrifice me with it's dagger. He put me against something 10+ levels over me just to make sure I died so my character couldn't exist anymore because it was over powered. My DM was NOT a bad DM, he did what he could to make it balanced, it just so happens that my character was well created. If My DM made it possible for me to have trouble with enemies, they would have slaughtered my allies. The only reason my character was able to kill the Gargoyle was because it nearly killed one of my allies, actually killed two others, and my barbarian was so stupid he failed his rage check for those three times, then as a last ditch effort, when it shattered his axe, I asked if that would allow me to use rage, and the DM said yes because if I hadn't, then the Gargoyle would have killed us all, and we'd have had to either create new characters, or scrapped the campaign altogether, and no one wanted that. When my Barbarian toppled the building, it was an old stone and wood ruined run down building that was falling apart anyway. After that, he wouldn't let me play Krell barbarians until he reworked the race, so I COULDN'T make another with str in the legendary levels. Again, my DM was NOT a bad DM, nor could he be blamed, he righted the wrong I orchestrated, and wouldn't let me use it again until he was sure it was absolutely fixed.

I'm going to ask that you please refrain from sayign that my DMs were bad, or at fault for anything. I know you don't really know them and you're entitled to your opinion, but one of them has basically become a hermit, and another is legitimately impossible to reach.

Also, let's not forget that I was 10-14 whenever I was playing D&D, so I got a bit of lenience there, due to my age.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 1:27 am


Hinote, I think my next character might use you Jack-of-all trades talent 3nodding .

Or maybe I'll go with a very nature-oriented Mokuton user with severe ninjutsu limits in exchange for either some buff involving sealing and genjutsu, an ability to communicate with wild animals, or some summoning ability. The plan is to create a bamboo version of the Lost Woods and give my character a huge advantage in such an environment.

I'm also thinking of a sniper with no bloodline or clan so I can just wait for a demon I like to open up mrgreen .

Then my very last idea is something to do with Yamanaka. Don't know what...

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Toryu Naminosaki

PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 4:42 am


TvIaMsOqTuHeYz
I'd like to put out there that speed is the most piss poor choice of a stat to buff the most. Speed is nice, but you'll be unable to hurt a tank. If you use swords, then the tank could just use gauntlets and catch your sword, effectively disabling you since you can't even scratch the tank. [I had a tank character in D&D and our Rogue thought he'd take me on because I kinda... threw him at a dragon... and My tank just stood there until the little guy tucked himself out because my tank's skin was leathery enough he didn't really get bothered by the little knives, and actually ended up picking one out of his Thigh. So Yeah, despite the rogue effectively being 3x my speed, my tank beat it just by standing still, then sitting on it. That tank also took out traps by walking through them, but eh. Best conversation in game though. "Hey, there's traps in this hallway." "Cool, where? /runs through the hallway getting pelted with arrows and flying bear traps, doesn't even stumble once."] An Endurance stat would be the hardest to overcome, you'd literally have to just take chunks off the dude. Or put him to sleep... TT^TT Rest in pieces my sweet sweet barbarian. Though you were possessed by a demon, I still stood by it'syour decisions.
Different games, but much different effects. Defense is very good to have, strength is useless if you have chakra control, and speed can be as hax as you could possibly get in these kinds of guilds. The thing about naruto guilds is that with the addition of chakra, you can only block and "Tank" up to certain level attacks. Even with the addition of the raikages taijutsu style " Kaiser fist" you can only block so much. We cant even go off of what the raikage can tank because he took that style to complete perfection and even with the stage 2 ( think it was 2 ) Lightning armor the A rank chidori that was being used was still piercing through. A high ranked attack would likely punch straight through it. Its the strength and defense users that are generally at a disadvantage cause these guilds usually go by anything over A rank that has a lethal hit described in the description of the jutsu. In this particular genre that can be like fighting punpun the level three kobold with a 2e level one wizard that rolled a 1 on his hp.

In short, defense can mean little when you have techniques that either A send you to other dimensions, or B can cut through steel/rock easier than a knife cuts flesh.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 8:18 am


@ Kage
You stay away from my animals! scream xp

@ Toryu
I understand that, I'm just saying if you're using a speed type without all the fancy jutsu, since to get any semblance of a meaningful speed advantage you'd either have to take risks as a Konaga, or use a talent to increase the speed over that of your peers, since anyone can take the Speed shinobi type. As things stand now, making a speed shinobi is difficult. I had a character idea that was a speed shinobi, Hatake, and whose talent was a one rank increase in speed, and two rank in reaction time, and it was denied despite the fact that he was only capable of weapon techniques, couldn't use chakra at all. That's only 3 ranks, which I understand should be difficult to obtain, but anything more difficult than giving up an entire system in the guild, I'd rather not go through.

I've been saying speed itself is relatively useless unless you have the power to get through a defense. That is all I'm saying, you all just take it as I'm saying speed is retarded and shouldn't ever be buffed which is retarded to think itself, and means you all assume I don't have a basic understanding of how things work, which is insanely insulting both to me, and to yourself. Speed is a great stat, but unless you can break things [In this guild's case, Chidori, Rasengan, all those nice little screw all techniques] you're not going to get very far against people who are built for defense, and whittling down your offensive capabilities piece by piece.

@ Everyone
Shouldn't we be more working toward getting everything set up? I mean I'm fine with the set up Hikaro put out, I'm pretty sure that I aid so, though I might have just thought it. I'd really like to get everything ready and start before the end of the month. [Which seems like a lot of time to just twiddle your thumbs] Aren't we already ready to start? I don't know of any systems that need updated just right now, and Hikaro's already suggested we just work in patches, taking small things and patching them in as we go when they're ready to be implemented. If you guys need descriptions, I could work on that. It seems to be about the only thing I'm good for, since I can describe a scene fairly well, but apparently not an idea.

TvIaMsOqTuHeYz

Dangerous Loiterer


Toryu Naminosaki

PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 1:43 pm


TvIaMsOqTuHeYz
@ Kage
You stay away from my animals! scream xp

@ Toryu
I understand that, I'm just saying if you're using a speed type without all the fancy jutsu, since to get any semblance of a meaningful speed advantage you'd either have to take risks as a Konaga, or use a talent to increase the speed over that of your peers, since anyone can take the Speed shinobi type. As things stand now, making a speed shinobi is difficult. I had a character idea that was a speed shinobi, Hatake, and whose talent was a one rank increase in speed, and two rank in reaction time, and it was denied despite the fact that he was only capable of weapon techniques, couldn't use chakra at all. That's only 3 ranks, which I understand should be difficult to obtain, but anything more difficult than giving up an entire system in the guild, I'd rather not go through.

I've been saying speed itself is relatively useless unless you have the power to get through a defense. That is all I'm saying, you all just take it as I'm saying speed is retarded and shouldn't ever be buffed which is retarded to think itself, and means you all assume I don't have a basic understanding of how things work, which is insanely insulting both to me, and to yourself. Speed is a great stat, but unless you can break things [In this guild's case, Chidori, Rasengan, all those nice little screw all techniques] you're not going to get very far against people who are built for defense, and whittling down your offensive capabilities piece by piece.

@ Everyone
Shouldn't we be more working toward getting everything set up? I mean I'm fine with the set up Hikaro put out, I'm pretty sure that I aid so, though I might have just thought it. I'd really like to get everything ready and start before the end of the month. [Which seems like a lot of time to just twiddle your thumbs] Aren't we already ready to start? I don't know of any systems that need updated just right now, and Hikaro's already suggested we just work in patches, taking small things and patching them in as we go when they're ready to be implemented. If you guys need descriptions, I could work on that. It seems to be about the only thing I'm good for, since I can describe a scene fairly well, but apparently not an idea.
Im not really one to go for either rasengan or chidori myself. I like the lesser known stuff. Suiton is so useful and nobody pays attention to it. As for what you were saying, I never discount what people are saying, so were both miss-communicating here. I know what you meant, I was just having a little conversation.
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